Supreme Court of Canada rules to let injection clinics stay open

[Matt_LRR]

Allowing a crime to go on, aided by the government, is stupid. The SC got this one wrong.

What's next, let pedos have sex with "willing" kids in safe houses with free condoms to minimize the harm?

Something is either illegal, or its legal. If you make it illegal, but the government supports it, that's just stupid.

The emerging philosophy of drug policy in this country is that, by and large, addicts are victims of crime as much as they are criminals themselves.

Barring the possibility of full drug legalization (something which hinges a great deal more on american drug policy than our own, frankly), the policy of prosicuteing the dealer while rehabilitating the addict has substantial benefits, both from a law enforcement and a public health perspective.

This was the right choice by the supreme court, absolutely.

-m

 

[The .50 Caliber Cow]

The emerging philosophy of drug policy in this country is that, by and large, addicts are victims of crime as much as they are criminals themselves.

Barring the possibility of full drug legalization (something which hinges a great deal more on american drug policy than our own, frankly), the policy of prosicuteing the dealer while rehabilitating the addict has substantial benefits, both from a law enforcement and a public health perspective.

This was the right choice by the supreme court, absolutely.

-m

Wait, you can be a comedian and have an intelligent opinion on a major issue? I thought this was impossible!

/sarcasm

In anycase, I applaud this seeing as I have friends who moved to BC who use them. It's a safer alternative to using needles on the street and quite frankly drugs aren't going to go away. I'd legalize them and restrict them to give even more control over the conditions drug users are faced with but like Matt said, we're kind of linked with America with that one.

 

[Matt_LRR]

The emerging philosophy of drug policy in this country is that, by and large, addicts are victims of crime as much as they are criminals themselves.

Barring the possibility of full drug legalization (something which hinges a great deal more on american drug policy than our own, frankly), the policy of prosicuteing the dealer while rehabilitating the addict has substantial benefits, both from a law enforcement and a public health perspective.

This was the right choice by the supreme court, absolutely.

-m

Wait, you can be a comedian and have an intelligent opinion on a major issue? I thought this was impossible!

/sarcasm

In anycase, I applaud this seeing as I have friends who moved to BC who use them. It's a safer alternative to using needles on the street and quite frankly drugs aren't going to go away. I'd legalize them and restrict them to give even more control over the conditions drug users are faced with but like Matt said, we're kind of linked with America with that one.

In retrospect, it would be nice if I'd spelled "prosecute" correctly.

-m

 

[The .50 Caliber Cow]

In retrospect, it would be nice if I'd spelled "prosecute" correctly.

-m

I won't hold it against you. Just keep making funny videos and make sure to add more dubstep.

 

[Riicek]

I really wanted to respond to some of this "KaiserKnight" fellow's posts, but after reading the rest of the replies, I've noticed that others have pretty much made it clear why everything he's said is either meaningless, ill-informed, or just stupid. (I'm sorry, I tried to find a different word than "stupid," but that's the best fitting description.)

So, rather than rehash other folks' arguments, I will just thank all of you who disagree with Kaiser's mode of thought.

Thank You!

 

[Riicek]

Allowing a crime to go on, aided by the government, is stupid. The SC got this one wrong.

What's next, let pedos have sex with "willing" kids in safe houses with free condoms to minimize the harm?

Something is either illegal, or its legal. If you make it illegal, but the government supports it, that's just stupid.

Also, this is quite possibly the worst and most offensive straw man argument I have ever seen anyone try to pull off. Kudos, Kendarik. I will always remember this as an example for how not to present an opinion.

 

[Tselis]

I think they are a great idea. You're right, they are a much more even handed approach then simply turning a blind eye. They're a more cost effective approach too, being prevention based, instead of crisis management based.

 

[aegix drakan_v1legacy]

I'm glad it's staying open.

It's terrible that a place like that NEEDS to exist...but the world is a better place for it. For one thing, it'll help cut down on the spread of AIDS and other diseases.

 

[aegix drakan_v1legacy]

Really, Canada is pretty cool place with non-idiotic people by large, so letting Canadians die off is illogical.

Really it's LEDC's people that need to go. Their exponential growth from having too many children is causing too many long term problems. ETC ETC ETC

Firstly, Thank you for saying kinds things about my country like that.

Secondly, limiting the number of kids that each family can have is a GOOD plan IMO. We only need about 2.5 kids per family to maintain the population, so it's ridiculous when a family wants to have 8 kids. It's insane.

The only problem is this: How the hell do you enforce that? China is able to do it because of an omnipresent government, and tight control. I don't see how less developed countries would be able to implement this.

 

[spacewalker]

It's actually quite a valid counter argument, one that requires lots of thought. We can focus all we want on the lives the clinic will save, but what are the repercussions of those lives saved? It's not a guarantee that every time an addict overdoses and survives they'll change their ways. They may continue right along their current path of self-destruction and continue to contribute to many negative aspects of society.

The argument may be a rather cold and calculating one, but it's one worth considering none the less.

Lives lost due to the lack of the clinics would have repercussions for how people view the society they live in, their respect for the government and its laws. It takes more than just police to make a law abiding population.

 

[Wushu Panda]

I didn't even know Canada had these.

This seems like Humans intervening in Nature where they do not belong, AGAIN. You really should not mess with the natural order of things, especially when it comes to population control of a species. I am FOR making sure diseases like AIDs do not spread to the rest of the herd, yet I am greatly concerned about preventing the natural process of a worthless junky dieing off from overdoses. It ensures they won't be around any longer and keeps the numbers in check.

 

[Richardplex]

Really, Canada is pretty cool place with non-idiotic people by large, so letting Canadians die off is illogical.

Really it's LEDC's people that need to go. Their exponential growth from having too many children is causing too many long term problems. ETC ETC ETC

Firstly, Thank you for saying kinds things about my country like that.

Secondly, limiting the number of kids that each family can have is a GOOD plan IMO. We only need about 2.5 kids per family to maintain the population, so it's ridiculous when a family wants to have 8 kids. It's insane.

The only problem is this: How the hell do you enforce that? China is able to do it because of an omnipresent government, and tight control. I don't see how less developed countries would be able to implement this.

China has another way of enforcing it, which is used in the book Ender's Game: education. The first one or two children, respectively, get free education and benefits, any more than that get absolutely nothing. It would only work however if countries reach the development level of Russia, India, China and Brazil, or above. That is the flaw in my cunning plan

 

[Shpongled]

I didn't even know Canada had these.

This seems like Humans intervening in Nature where they do not belong, AGAIN. You really should not mess with the natural order of things, especially when it comes to population control of a species. I am FOR making sure diseases like AIDs do not spread to the rest of the herd, yet I am greatly concerned about preventing the natural process of a worthless junky dieing off from overdoses. It ensures they won't be around any longer and keeps the numbers in check.

I feel the same way about skateboarders. I am greatly concerned about preventing the natural process of a worthless skateboarder dying off from falling off his board and breaking his jaw open. Leave him bleeding in the street i say, it ensures they won't be around any longer and keeps the numbers in check.

And just because this is the internet, that was sarcasm. You can switch out skateboarding for any other extreme sport if you'd like, it's not as if there's a shortage of folk doing dangerous stuff for shits and giggles out there. Hell, the majority of A&E admissions are because someone decided to do something dangerous that he needn't have. Why should drug users specifically be the ones picked out and left to die? What makes them any more worthless than the kid I saw the other day who hit a curb and smashed his jaw open on the bench in front of him trying to do some trick to impress his mates?

 

[Wushu Panda]

I feel the same way about skateboarders. I am greatly concerned about preventing the natural process of a worthless skateboarder dying off from falling off his board and breaking his jaw open. Leave him bleeding in the street i say, it ensures they won't be around any longer and keeps the numbers in check.

And just because this is the internet, that was sarcasm. You can switch out skateboarding for any other extreme sport if you'd like, it's not as if there's a shortage of folk doing dangerous stuff for shits and giggles out there. Hell, the majority of A&E admissions are because someone decided to do something dangerous that he needn't have. Why should drug users specifically be the ones picked out and left to die? What makes them any more worthless than the kid I saw the other day who hit a curb and smashed his jaw open on the bench in front of him trying to do some trick to impress his mates?

Druggies that continue to overdose do not achieve anything except their own worthless impending death.

Skateboarding actually gets kids to get off their butts, stay AWAY from drugs and get into exercising to become more fit and skillful. Granted, kids numbed to MTV have already taken a hit in the brain cell department, and tend to attempt feats outside their skill level. But the ones who practice and train can do great physical feats.

I personally love free running. With G4 pushing Parkour and Ninja Warrior in Japan I hope we see more. They might get beat up every now and then but they're learning to take risks in life and having fun.

What are you doing besides QQing about kids having more fun than you, did you even go and help the kid? Or did you just laugh under your breath and watch him die because you're worthless yourself?

 

[Shpongled]

I feel the same way about skateboarders. I am greatly concerned about preventing the natural process of a worthless skateboarder dying off from falling off his board and breaking his jaw open. Leave him bleeding in the street i say, it ensures they won't be around any longer and keeps the numbers in check.

And just because this is the internet, that was sarcasm. You can switch out skateboarding for any other extreme sport if you'd like, it's not as if there's a shortage of folk doing dangerous stuff for shits and giggles out there. Hell, the majority of A&E admissions are because someone decided to do something dangerous that he needn't have. Why should drug users specifically be the ones picked out and left to die? What makes them any more worthless than the kid I saw the other day who hit a curb and smashed his jaw open on the bench in front of him trying to do some trick to impress his mates?

Druggies that continue to overdose do not achieve anything except their own worthless impending death.

Skateboarding actually gets kids to get off their butts, stay AWAY from drugs and get into exercising to become more fit and skillful. Granted, kids numbed to MTV have already taken a hit in the brain cell department, and tend to attempt feats outside their skill level. But the ones who practice and train can do great physical feats.

I personally love free running. With G4 pushing Parkour and Ninja Warrior in Japan I hope we see more. They might get beat up every now and then but they're learning to take risks in life and having fun.

What are you doing besides QQing about kids having more fun than you, did you even go and help the kid? Or did you just laugh under your breath and watch him die because you're worthless yourself?

Really? I'm "QQ'ing" about people having more fun than me? Do you genuinely believe that? I didn't do anything to help him, it was the middle of town, there were plenty of people around, I'm no paramedic and I had somewhere to be.

I hope he's ok but really, shit happens and I know he'll be ok because I know we have emergency services set up to help people who get hurt doing stupid things. I don't want him left in the street to bleed to death after coming off his board any more than I want someone left unconscious to die after taking his drug of choice. I just don't see the logic in separating the two circumstances. Ones a human being whose made a mistake and got himself injured, the other.... a human being whose made a mistake and got himself injured.


Anyway, worthless is a very strong word, shouting it out at people for no good reason just makes you look immature.

 

[Caverat]

Not to mention all the ignorant, racist, rapist, pedophiles, murders, ect ect people that we let live and waste money/space/air/food on. Kill 5 people, rape a child or two yet get locked up for 5 life (what, are you going to die then we bring you back four more times?) to be fed three times a day and you not have to pay anything?

Capitol/Corporal punishment is the sign of a barbaric culture, nothing more. You are also woefully ignorant of the Canadian system, if you are referring to it in particular. Canada doesn't have consecutive life sentences, it does them congruently. Life sentence also means a maximum of 25 years in prison.

Druggies that continue to overdose do not achieve anything except their own worthless impending death.

Skateboarding actually gets kids to get off their butts, stay AWAY from drugs and get into exercising to become more fit and skillful. Granted, kids numbed to MTV have already taken a hit in the brain cell department, and tend to attempt feats outside their skill level. But the ones who practice and train can do great physical feats.

I personally love free running. With G4 pushing Parkour and Ninja Warrior in Japan I hope we see more. They might get beat up every now and then but they're learning to take risks in life and having fun.

What are you doing besides QQing about kids having more fun than you, did you even go and help the kid? Or did you just laugh under your breath and watch him die because you're worthless yourself?

Hell, druggies get off their ass to score the next fix. Their addiction will ensure they get plenty of exercise to continue their habit.

You can't call him worthless for watching a skateboarder die when that was effectively what you said we should do for drug users. You also missed his point entirely, and are just defending a style of hobby you enjoy. He was saying that you could just replace drug users with any group to make the statement as valid, it's just your opinion to perceive a particular one as worthless.

OT: These clinics are a good thing and should be in every major city. They reduce the spread of diseases typically spread through unclean needle use, and reduce the instance of overdose. Regardless of your stance on recreational drug use, you can't dispute that reducing the strain on the medical system in even a small way is a good thing.

 

[Stall]

Dear god. There are a lot of fucked up people in this thread. Let another human being die? How cold and heartless of an individual do you have to be to want to just let a human being die? I guess the internet is a place where people can say these horrible, cruel things they never could in real life with no real repercussion-- anonymity is a powerful thing.

Anyways, these clinics are a good thing. People are going to do these things anyways, so why not give them a safe and sanitary place to do them? I think one thing people forget is that these places also offer services like rehab and counseling, so when a drug user is ready to get clean and try to pick up his/her life, these clinics give them the means to do that. These people, after all, can become, and perhaps were at some point in time, productive members.

But in the mean time, it also gives them a safe place to fulfill their habit so that they don't fuck themselves up anymore.

What's next, let pedos have sex with "willing" kids in safe houses with free condoms to minimize the harm?

That's an absolutely insane analogy. Drug use is a "victimless crime"-- the only person it is hurting is the drug user. Pedophilia, however, very much so has a victim.