Switzerland might make incest legal.

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YukoValis said:
interesting..
http://www.thestatesman.net/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=352040&catid=37

I honestly believe between two adults if consent is given from each, and you don't physically harm another person it should be ok.. situation pending of course. but that's my opinion. What about everyone else here?
They shouldn't be allowed to sire children. Aside from that I'm not going to fuck my family so it doesn't effect me.
This would work actually, allowing incest but procreating is illegal. As for myself , the idea of screwing my daughter up the royal asscrack is something that doesnt appeal to me personally. Joking, joking of course, i dont mean to offend anyone by that last comment.
 

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Simiathan said:
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This is fucked up, and not something we should be encouraging. It doesn't get any more depraved than this.
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Cut it any way you want it, pedophilia is harming a living, breathing human being (a human child no less, which magnifies the damage). Necrophilia, while despicable in every sense and fashion, causes no emotional distress to the victim because they're FUCKING DEAD (emotional distress caused to the victim's family not included).

Pedophilia will never be considered a sexual orientation on the grounds of, say, homosexuality. Not so long as good people like me exist, which, by the way, will be a long fucking time.

You're more than welcome to fantasize to your liking, so long as you don't act out said fantasies. Otherwise, you'll face consequences; at the best, the law will lock you away for life. At worst (for you, at least) you'll run into someone like me, who will remorselessly crack your skull open if you so much as lift a finger towards a member of my family. It's happened before, and it didn't turn out too well for the man.

OT: I live in the States, so this bill doesn't directly affect me. Still; what possible GOOD could this law do? Any consensual incestuous relationships will occur anyways; this law is inviting people to exploit it, however.
Pedophilia harms no one, but that is a matter for another means of discussion.
Necrophilia, if not going by the "We were lovers" argument, disturbs the deceased.

Actually, quite a bit of(hard to find) research actually suggests Pedophilia is a orientation, not an illness, disability, ect. Yet, I do not see you as a "good person" since good is subjective.(no offense, I just function by Gray and Gray morality)

Correct, fantasy harms no one, it is acting upon said thoughts that appears to spark the issues, yet I have no plan to do such.

Yet I plan though to lead a change in reforming AoC laws, so such relationships can exist peacefully but once again, wrong place to discuss such a matter.

Though it seems you have little understanding to what Pedophilia *is*, though I do not blame you.

OT: Incest needs to be legal, no good criminalizing those who have done something that brings no harm to others.
 

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this is just mind blowing, family members arn't supposed to have sex for reason. not only is it just wrong, it's medically dangerous,they could give birth to a child with horrible physical or psychological mutations. and even if by some chance if the child turns out normal, his life would become a living hell. just imagine the torment they would go through from the other kids harassing them for having parents who are blood related.
 

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YukoValis said:
interesting..
http://www.thestatesman.net/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=352040&catid=37

I honestly believe between two adults if consent is given from each, and you don't physically harm another person it should be ok.. situation pending of course. but that's my opinion. What about everyone else here?
If your using condoms, I GUESS there's nothing wrong with it. Pregnancy is probably the only thing you should absolutely avoid. However people who actually want to have sex with members of their own family are probably suffering from some kind of severe mental illness or sexual disorder.

Exactly whose pushing for these laws to be made legal?
 

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Kortney said:
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Pedophilia harms no one
Please explain.
I'll give it a go;

Your just assuming pedophilia automatically means a person IS having sex with a child. While technically it's merely the sexual attraction to children.
I don't think he's saying 'statutory rape hurts no one.' otherwise people wouldn't be getting released from prison.
 

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Kortney said:
LegendaryGamer0 said:
Pedophilia harms no one
Please explain.
Thoughts harm no one.

And although illegal, adult/child relationships are not inherently bad. There have been many cases of happy relationships between the two. Pretty much any case saying otherwise is usually a case of coercion or the adult just using the child as a sex puppet, usually being someone who actually has no real attraction to children.

But, once again, not exactly the best place to discuss such a topic.

I would be happy to discuss in PM. Lest we begin to derail the thread.

(Saying "Please Elaborate would have been infinitely more badass)

EDIT: Hell, it would be better to make my own thread. Looking in the TOS to see if any possible rules exist against such.
 

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LegendaryGamer0 said:
Thoughts harm no one.
They sure do. Not directly, but they are the backbone of action. They even hurt people directly too. Thoughts can make someone go insane.

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And although illegal, adult/child relationships are not inherently bad.
Yeah, I see what you are saying there and I partially agree.

LegendaryGamer0 said:
There have been many cases of happy relationships between the two.
And there has been even more cases where someone has been harmed severely. Sometimes the child through having their emotions fucked with, sometimes the adult for being placed in gaol for their life.

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Pretty much any case saying otherwise is usually a case of coercion or the adult just using the child as a sex puppet, usually being someone who actually has no real attraction to children.
You are pulling that out of your backside. If someone had no real sexual attraction towards children, why the hell would they bother emotionally abusing them for months so they could fuck them?

Anyway, your original statement is still incorrect. You claim that paedophilia doesn't harm people. It has harmed many people

LegendaryGamer0 said:
(Saying "Please Elaborate would have been infinitely more badass)
Ah, but it wouldn't of contained a slightly outdated Australian political joke.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pauline_Hanson

"On 13 October 1996, asked by Tracey Curro on 60 Minutes if she was xenophobic, she replied "Please explain?", which has since become an oft-parodied catch phrase within Australian culture.".



PM me if you want to continue the discussion.
 

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*facepalm*

Why is this thread still on the first page!?

Like I said, this will never pass. Switzerland is one of the last true democracies on Earth, where people actually get a say in matters instead of electing dictators. This will go to a referendum. The Swiss are not going to vote this through.

I found only one article on this on the Blick, a Swiss news website. It's from December 10, 2010.

Here it is [http://www.blick.ch/news/schweiz/politik/ist-inzest-in-der-schweiz-bald-legal-162368].

The Justice Minister suggested that they repeal the law where two adults from the same immediate family go to jail for three days if they have sex. That is the only law. Many political parties spoke against it.

It's just like American news organizations to pounce on this, though. The news list is full of this "story". I remember some story about a black guy that was allegedly assaulted with a chainsaw in Switzerland. No one I knew that lives there heard about it.

But hey. Anything to distract Americans from their own messed up country. Even if it's generating "news" by exaggerating anything that sounds a bit interesting. Isn't it great that slander is fine if it's against an entire nation?
 

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I'm not at all in favour of incest... but I'm absolutely all for removing a law against it. Having a moral objection to incest is one thing, but making what is essentially a religious crime illegal is right out in this day and age.

So go for it, Switzerland! Show the rest of these numpties (particularly the UK govt!) how it's done!

That said... they should certainly introduce some form of law against having children via incest.
 

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Its hard to say theres no way you can say yes and not look like a perv. But its two people and if they both want too do it who am i to stop them.
 

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YukoValis said:
interesting..
http://www.thestatesman.net/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=352040&catid=37

I honestly believe between two adults if consent is given from each, and you don't physically harm another person it should be ok.. situation pending of course. but that's my opinion. What about everyone else here?
I'm sorry but your opinion is wrong. Incest makes children with genetic defects and that isn't fair to the child.
 

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Simiathan said:
LegendaryGamer0 said:
Simiathan said:
LegendaryGamer0 said:
Quantum Roberts said:
Valkyrie101 said:
This is fucked up, and not something we should be encouraging. It doesn't get any more depraved than this.
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Cut it any way you want it, pedophilia is harming a living, breathing human being (a human child no less, which magnifies the damage). Necrophilia, while despicable in every sense and fashion, causes no emotional distress to the victim because they're FUCKING DEAD (emotional distress caused to the victim's family not included).

Pedophilia will never be considered a sexual orientation on the grounds of, say, homosexuality. Not so long as good people like me exist, which, by the way, will be a long fucking time.

You're more than welcome to fantasize to your liking, so long as you don't act out said fantasies. Otherwise, you'll face consequences; at the best, the law will lock you away for life. At worst (for you, at least) you'll run into someone like me, who will remorselessly crack your skull open if you so much as lift a finger towards a member of my family. It's happened before, and it didn't turn out too well for the man.

OT: I live in the States, so this bill doesn't directly affect me. Still; what possible GOOD could this law do? Any consensual incestuous relationships will occur anyways; this law is inviting people to exploit it, however.
Pedophilia harms no one, but that is a matter for another means of discussion.
Necrophilia, if not going by the "We were lovers" argument, disturbs the deceased.

Actually, quite a bit of(hard to find) research actually suggests Pedophilia is a orientation, not an illness, disability, ect. Yet, I do not see you as a "good person" since good is subjective.(no offense, I just function by Gray and Gray morality)

Correct, fantasy harms no one, it is acting upon said thoughts that appears to spark the issues, yet I have no plan to do such.

Yet I plan though to lead a change in reforming AoC laws, so such relationships can exist peacefully but once again, wrong place to discuss such a matter.

Though it seems you have little understanding to what Pedophilia *is*, though I do not blame you.

OT: Incest needs to be legal, no good criminalizing those who have done something that brings no harm to others.
*"Pedophilia harms no one." .....either you have never left your house, or you have never encountered someone who has been physically and emotionally destroyed by the effects of such a "relationship" as the one you are advocating. I believe it to be the latter.

*Pedophilia is not an orientation. Those who actively pursue "adult" relationships with children forfeit their humanity.

*You plan to lead a change in reforming consent laws? You, a minimus as you are? What crusade do you truly believe yourself to be capable of? You, a lonely and sick individual, to change the laws of common morality as the modernized world knows it? A life chasing the unchaseable is a fate suited to you, I believe.

*It seems that you are defining the term "pedophilia" as someone who is attracted to children, but does not act on these urges. Then what do we call someone who DOES act on said urges? Ah, yes: a criminal. A villain. Evil: Always and forever.

Enjoy fighting your "good fight." I'll be busy fighting mine. And, I promise you this: I will win.

OT: Again, the government cannot hope to regulate relationships between consenting adults. This new law is a terrible idea, because it invites corruption into itself. It is a law that is terribly open for exploitation.
You are wrong on both counts, dear sir.

Yes I do. I am not alone. I believe myself to be capable of anything I put my mind to.
Not long ago, it was illegal for gays to... be gay. I have chased much in my life, all now within my hands. Except one.

No, you call them guilty of "Statutory Rape", nothing more.

I never said I'm fighting the "Good Fight", just educating. You fight yours. We will one day meet then at the debate table.

(My head hurts)
 

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Oh ho ho ho....no. No this is a bad idea. Look, I know we like to be all permissive on this website but the damage to children from even one incident of inbreeding is massive.
Explain...

Besides, it's already legal in many countries, including France, you'd just be adding another one to the list.