Switzerland might make incest legal.
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Yeah, it's true. Though it becomes less relevant when both parties are adults.fletch_talon said:
Not to mention the laws that already exist in places regarding incest are quite odd.
UK law forbids sex between child and parent, and siblings. (even if not genetically related. Step-parents are still a crime, as is, for instance, sleeping with your step-sister, regardless of being genetically related or not.)
Meanwhile, doing it with your aunts and uncles isn't a crime. Neither is doing it with your grandmother. (but doing it with grandpa is a crime.)
And there's a rift between marriage and just plain sex too. While you can have sex with your cousins (and the relatives already mentioned), you can't marry them.
So, yeah. Existing laws on the subject can be quite strange as it is.
In my opinion, it is deeply stupid of them to even consider legalizing this. People have been saying "Oh but if it's two consenting adults then the sex is fine" well:
First, consider the fact that family members have far more leverage over each other than strangers do, and can therefore subtly force someone more vulnerable into something they never wanted. This is tantamount to rape by a family member - something that would be easier for a predator to pull off were a law against sex within families repealed. I don't need to say how damaging this would be.
Secondly: BrotherXSister is NOT OK - genetically, it is much worse than parent-child as the two are much closer on the genetic level.
Thirdly: The state does not, and should not need to look into every act of sexual congress. As a result, the excuse of "This baby's from a 1 night stand" would probably end up getting used alot. This is a lovely recipe for birth defects and strain on whatever health system is in place.
To conclude: INCEST = BAD IDEA
'Freedom' is all well and good, unless it intrudes upon that of others. This "freedom" has the potential to absolutely skull**** that of another person.
First, consider the fact that family members have far more leverage over each other than strangers do, and can therefore subtly force someone more vulnerable into something they never wanted. This is tantamount to rape by a family member - something that would be easier for a predator to pull off were a law against sex within families repealed. I don't need to say how damaging this would be.
Secondly: BrotherXSister is NOT OK - genetically, it is much worse than parent-child as the two are much closer on the genetic level.
Thirdly: The state does not, and should not need to look into every act of sexual congress. As a result, the excuse of "This baby's from a 1 night stand" would probably end up getting used alot. This is a lovely recipe for birth defects and strain on whatever health system is in place.
To conclude: INCEST = BAD IDEA
'Freedom' is all well and good, unless it intrudes upon that of others. This "freedom" has the potential to absolutely skull**** that of another person.
Incest is an extremely complex issue.
The risk of abuse and abusive influence on the parties involved should not be taken lightly. Although I can understand, and to some extent, agree with the "two consenting adult should be able to pork who they like" rebuttal, I can't help but think that if incest were to be legalised anywhere, that both parties should be submitted to psychological testing and have extensive counselling made available to them to ensure that no sinister influence or abuse has been part of forming the relationship.
Whether this would prove practical, I honestly can't say, and that's where many of my reservations lie.
I personally don't think any incestuous couple should be permitted to have children naturally, given the extensive risks, but then perhaps if incest were to be legalised, a whole new debate as to whether an incestuous couple could perhaps be considered suitable as adopted parents would then ensue. The potential psychological and social impact could be a much bigger problem than just saying it's legal to shag one's sister.
My professional experience with incest makes it hard for me to condone legalising incest, but should that turn out to be the decision made in Switzerland, I hope they thoroughly consider all the issues and ramifications involved and do not rush into a waiver that may prove to create an adverse situation for all parties- both psychological welfare and human rights need to be considered equally.
The risk of abuse and abusive influence on the parties involved should not be taken lightly. Although I can understand, and to some extent, agree with the "two consenting adult should be able to pork who they like" rebuttal, I can't help but think that if incest were to be legalised anywhere, that both parties should be submitted to psychological testing and have extensive counselling made available to them to ensure that no sinister influence or abuse has been part of forming the relationship.
Whether this would prove practical, I honestly can't say, and that's where many of my reservations lie.
I personally don't think any incestuous couple should be permitted to have children naturally, given the extensive risks, but then perhaps if incest were to be legalised, a whole new debate as to whether an incestuous couple could perhaps be considered suitable as adopted parents would then ensue. The potential psychological and social impact could be a much bigger problem than just saying it's legal to shag one's sister.
My professional experience with incest makes it hard for me to condone legalising incest, but should that turn out to be the decision made in Switzerland, I hope they thoroughly consider all the issues and ramifications involved and do not rush into a waiver that may prove to create an adverse situation for all parties- both psychological welfare and human rights need to be considered equally.
There is a HUGE problem with incest. You are VERY highly likely to have a child with deficiencies in all aspects of life. I won't get into the details, but it's because recessive genes are more likely to appear in children of incestuous parents than they are in genetically different parents. For example, if I have color-blindness, then it is more likely my sister has color blindness as well. And if we have a child together, then our child is also very likely to have color-blindness. This of course goes for a lot of other things (having 6 fingers or toes, deafness and other physical deformities). It may not IMMEDIATELY harm anyone else, but you're bringing a deformed, helpless child into the world, and THAT is immoral...
Quite frankly genetically it is an incredibly bad idea, leading to a huge amount of genetic defects and diseases. And i would argue that even if someone used all the necasary protection, it could still potentially lead to a childs life being hell if things went wrong. Prevention is alot more effective than treatment in this case and i would say that it should remain out lawed.
Switzerland seems to make things like this legal just so they can say that they are the only country you can do it in.
Not to say I approve of this, but inbreeding can go either way. Yeah, you frequently get the deformed, stereotypical such and such, but a good example of the other end of it is the descendants of Alexander the Great. Right up 'til Cleopatra, they "kept the royal blood" by having a son and daughter of their line marry and make babies, as such, there were no recorded genetic defects, and they seemed to function fine. If there are no genes for genetic malformations, then they don't just spring outta nowhere.
No, though, why this is even considered an important enough issue, no matter how controversial, to warrant Government interference is beyond me. The only explanation for this seeing the light of day is it somehow "benefitting" some high up politician if this does come through. There, I said it. There's a reason for everything.
I'm not worried. This will get voted down by the squeamish masses.
No, though, why this is even considered an important enough issue, no matter how controversial, to warrant Government interference is beyond me. The only explanation for this seeing the light of day is it somehow "benefitting" some high up politician if this does come through. There, I said it. There's a reason for everything.
I'm not worried. This will get voted down by the squeamish masses.
Wait, incest is illegal!? I need to check my local and federal laws....
How would you enforce this law? And why would you? This is confusing and stupid in my opinion.
NOTE: I have never participated in incest and never intend to. my brothers are not very attractive, well one of them is but that's only because we look so much alike. Also, we're not gay.
How would you enforce this law? And why would you? This is confusing and stupid in my opinion.
NOTE: I have never participated in incest and never intend to. my brothers are not very attractive, well one of them is but that's only because we look so much alike. Also, we're not gay.
For me, this is one of the biggest arguments. Another is that you can get kids who only get attached to one person ever and there are all kinds of emotional, psychological, isolation-y problems that are fairly likely to go along with that.WolfThomas said:
Yeah I didn't disagree with the other section of your post.higgs20 said:
So now it's maybe not a better? before you outright stated it was better,
what's the conditional for the maybe? All you've really done is made it all vague, that's not a correction.
Only this forum would have so many people who support something like this. Incest laws are not like old anti-homosexuality laws, this is not the government trying to oppress a deviant minority. Prohibitions against incest is as old as humanity because it is a crime against nature. Why? Because normally developed people are not biologically attracted to their close relatives. Read about the Westermarck Effect.
Depends on the incest, if rape+incest then the crime should be greater than just rape alone.
Now for consentaul incest there is little if anythign wrong with it, I'll tell you why. Royalty from around the world used incest as means to keep their blood lines pure, normal folk in small villages and such away from mass populations did it to.
Now one could argue consent was not their but at the time the offspring had little choice either you obeyed your parents/community or lived on your own.
These days we know it causes defects but is it worse than people with a low IQ, defects or other issues created from ignorance,arrogance or plain stupidity?
I'd have to say no, while the overarching view is to make society better, you can't ban consental incest without banning stupid people from breeding.
Dose society need a parent ID card to reproduce or keep and raise children, as many things change from a right to a privilege to a privilege only if untouched by the spotlight of government/court is child bearing something the human race should currently scrutinize by law?
I can see the STD test being mandatory before you ca get your marriage license but beyond that meh.
Now for consentaul incest there is little if anythign wrong with it, I'll tell you why. Royalty from around the world used incest as means to keep their blood lines pure, normal folk in small villages and such away from mass populations did it to.
Now one could argue consent was not their but at the time the offspring had little choice either you obeyed your parents/community or lived on your own.
These days we know it causes defects but is it worse than people with a low IQ, defects or other issues created from ignorance,arrogance or plain stupidity?
I'd have to say no, while the overarching view is to make society better, you can't ban consental incest without banning stupid people from breeding.
Dose society need a parent ID card to reproduce or keep and raise children, as many things change from a right to a privilege to a privilege only if untouched by the spotlight of government/court is child bearing something the human race should currently scrutinize by law?
I can see the STD test being mandatory before you ca get your marriage license but beyond that meh.