Switzerland might make incest legal.

[DarkChoclate]

If two people wants to have sex and both are in on it;
There's no law in history that is gonna stop them.

Just don't have kids.

Personal Standpoint: It's their choice. I have no moral quarrels with this.

I do have a problem with it. Even if you get around the idea of doing it with your brother or sister, there are other expressions of love than just having sex. Just in a brother and sister relationship, there is every aspect of love and being human other than sex. You care for your sibling, hug them, help when their felling sad, argue and fight with them, kiss them (may be a little odd but, i mean to an extent.) If having an experience with a child with that person is what someone wants, the child could very well be born with defects. I not saying oh, babies with disabilities are bad produce, No. I'm saying, even if your willing to go through that, is it fair to put your child through that. And even if your willing, there will be some nights where your laying in bed staring eyes wide-open, into the darkness thinking "how the fuck am I gonna do this. How will do that... today.. tomorrow... next week... for the rest of my life. Families with no disabilities and minimal problems think of that. Two relatives can adopt a child and be a legitimate family i would think. And i can't imagine that be good for a family, how do does someone even approach that, how will the rest of your family react if you do?

I have a problem with people who drink alcohol myself.
Don't quote me and talk about your moral problems with this because I don't care.

I'm sorry for my hostility.

Don't be, it's your a opinion. I wasn't trying to single you out, it was more that some many other said " it's their choice" and your the one I picked. I don't have moral problems with myself personally, but i still don't agree with you. I just watched extra credit enriching lives and this just furthers my point in a way. Just because you can do something doesn't mean you should. Will there honestly be any benefit from making incest legal in Switzerland? I wont put you in my imaginative scenario because its not specifically you, but say it is made legal. Say its all over the news, and a person's child is watching it, and asks what incest is? or why is it wrong, or at least thought to be so? Say that parent answers him honestly, and he then gets idea about his siblings or other relatives when he's older. Or say the parent lies, but the kid still seeks out answers because they still don't understand, how will that turn out in the end?

Your view on Alcohol, is completely reasonable. People have gotten hurt as a result of it. But not everyone is dangerous after they drink, and not everyone reacts the same way. Is it fair to them that alcohol gets banned? and I'm not saying that's what you believe but still.
To further that we know the result in banning alcohol. It resulted in smuggling, gangs wars, and violence, so the amendment got repealed. When taking away the bad results in more pain, is it worth it? It doesn't matter if you can answer that cause, you just don't know. You can have an opinion but there is no definite universal answer. Your view just sounds contradictory to me because your views on alcohol say its bad, Not necessarily you want it gone, but you don't like it. Yet, your decision on incest can result in a lot of pain but still is pro opinion.

 

[Orcus The Ultimate]

One of those topics I could get permabanned just from the jokes. Not touching this one. Not with your sisters.

hahahahaha nice one !

 

[ALuckyChance]

Yeah, as long as they don't have kids, it's fine.

For family members farther down the line, though (as in, third cousins or something), children just might be acceptable. But only barely, if even that.

 

[TheLiham]

The next generation of swiss will speak in herps and derps yet be awesome swimmers due to their webbed feet

 

[SturmDolch]

Coming from Switzerland, even if there is a law that says you can screw your relatives in a way not related to money, people will still think you're a sick, demented freak. Swiss people, as a whole, are open to new ideas as long as they don't cross a line.

This is a line.

I am, of course, talking about immediate family and uncles. Cousins are more acceptable, in my opinion. But to the majority of Swiss people? Yeah no.

Anyways, I will be voting against this if it comes to it.

 

[Zechnophobe]

It amuses me how many people would be horrified by the idea of Genetic programs that select who you are allowed to mate with.

And then turn around and say 'but you should not have kids with a close relative, because those kids would be messed up.'

Kettle, you is SO black.

 

[Mr.Mattress]

If Switzerland wants to do it, by all means, do it. And if a Brother/Sister or Cousin/Cousin wanna make love, good for them (I don't wanna touch my sister or female cousins!). However, I think that it should be illegal for Mother/Son, Father/Daughter, Aunt/Nephew, Uncle/Niece or any combination of that to be illegal.

If I become President of the US and a bill like this comes along though, I am not sure I could allow it to pass...

 

[higgs20]

Oh ho ho ho....no. No this is a bad idea. Look, I know we like to be all permissive on this website but the damage to children from even one incident of inbreeding is massive.

assuming both parents are genetically healthy (as in have little to no recessive genes) which I know isn't massively likely then the kid would probably be normal.

OK rational argument out the way, EEEEEEEWWWWWWWWWWWWW

that is all.

 

[Gigano]

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true, but it's gonna end badly if they try and be that specific about it.

I don't see how it'll be any different from the current law. The Westermarck effect and social taboos ensure that practically all of us don't want to screw around with family members, and without a child there's absolutely no evidence to practically convict those who do.

A more stringent law in line with the only legally valid (possible) concern here - genetic hygiene - would be an improvement, since this is one of those matters where laws have very little effect in the first place, and since "victimless crimes" - which would be the case whenever there wasn't a child - especially those that can't ever be enforced should not exist, as they undermine the respect for the law.

From an ethical point of view, I also think that only that which cause actual harm should be condemned and thus potentially outlawed. It's none of my business if two brothers who are consenting adults want to go at each other, and I certainly don't want it to become my business. Nor is it a matter for the state when no one gets hurt. It's just one of those "live and let live" things.

 

[Hazzaslagga]

Though i personaly find incest very strange and unnatural, morally I can't actually see anything wrong with it.

 

[BlumiereBleck]

I can't believe people are for it....

 

[WolfMage]

I gotta say, first, it's called an abortion, problem of messed up kids is now solved.
Second, why must there be love? Never understood that.
And third, hey, if it doesn't hurt anyone else, who fucking cares? Their business is their own.

 

[Eri]

Good.

Should be legal everywhere.

Wow, I never thought I'd read something from you I actually agree with. Bravo

I can't believe people are for it....

If it is 2 legal adults, no reason not to allow it.

 

[Cheery Lunatic]

I personally find incest pretty gross, but as long as they're consenting and don't have kids, I'm not against it being legal.

 

[higgs20]

i feel like i may be playing devils advocate here but i hadn't read many of the posts before i threw in my 2 cents, depending on your family history and your genetic code dangerous mutations could occur through one generation of incest children, they probably wouldn't be extra toes or buck teeth but things like cystic fibrosis, Parkinson's disease, huntington's, these are the unfortunate facts of incest that's not to say that non-incest pairings couldn't produce these disorders but they really are much more likely especially if there is a family history.

having said that what's worse off the kid who's born with a degenerative disorder or the kid that never exists.

 

[teh_Canape]

idk...

in my opinion, people are free to make whatever they want with whoever they want

besides, it's fucking switzerland, they're organized as shit there

(yayz, stereotypes ftw ^-^)

but seriously, it's their opinions and shit, let them live

of course, as long as it's not underage or shit

because that's just wrong

 

[Baneat]

having said that what's worse off the kid who's born with a degenerative disorder or the kid that never exists.

I'll devil's advocate your devil's advocate.

So, we are morally obliged to have as many children as humanly possible, since a child, even if they have a shitty life, is better than no life at all. This is an extension of your logic, correct me if it isn't.

 

[Astra Dan]

Genuine question here, not meant to offend:

How did it all work out with Adam and Eve's kids?

 

[Jezzy54]

That's just wrong. Incest is a complete perversion of family relationships. I can't believe this needs to be said.

 

[TehOden]

interesting..
http://www.thestatesman.net/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=352040&catid=37

I honestly believe between two adults if consent is given from each, and you don't physically harm another person it should be ok.. situation pending of course. but that's my opinion. What about everyone else here?

Knee-jerk reaction: EEEEEEEEWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWW!!!!!

Slightly more thoughtful reaction:
While I agree fully with people's right to do what they want as long as it's not harming anyone else, incest isn't always a victimless crime. What about if a pregnancy occurs as a result of the incest? Hasn't it been proved that inbreeding can cause serious developmental issues for a baby?