Tali'Zorah is 9 days old: An update and a story on fatherhood

[suitepee7]

I don't know if some of the people actually involved in this discussion are aware of the fact. But Tali is actually a Hebrew name, i have a friend named it, and as a matter of fact, a hells kitchen (or summat) participant was named it a few years ago. google it, if you doubt the veracity or intent of my claim. I'm fine with if you don't believe it. But it is a name.

afaik nobody has said anything about Tali, more the 'Zorah part. Tali is a pretty nice name, and is really likely to be what she's called, by everybody, ever...

personally i have the same issue, i like the name Tali, but for me at least, Tali'Zorah takes it that step too far and crosses the line into what i would call 'silly names'. but regardless, it's clear the man loves his child, and that is by far the most important thing here

 

[tzimize]

I've loved the name since I first heard it as well. Best of luck to you man, you seem to have the makings of a great dad.

I wish I'd have a kid someday too, but I dont like the world nearly enough to defend bringing someone into it. Enjoy your time, its already dripping away.

 

[testiou]

She has so far been referred to as "Tali", "T", "Tals", "Zorah", "Z", and "Rose" (her middle name) by various people in our lives. To end my side of the name discussion, I personally love "Tali'Zorah" more each time I see it. It's been written on a lot of things, and I feel stronger about the decision and love the name more and more as it becomes a part of our daily vernacular.

So her name will be Rose. As soon as she's old enough to understand that everybody looks at her funny when she says "Tali'Zorah" - she will stick with Rose.


Btw. "Mr. T" is not the best nickname for a girl.



"Tali'Zorah... is that russian?"
"No, it's an alien my parents had sex with"
"WHA-"
"from a video game"
"still - WHAT?!"
"They liked the character... I don't know"
"oh... ok... soooo- why haven't you changed it yet?"

...

 

[Tsun Tzu]

I was initially uneasy about this...but the more I've thought about it? The hell with it. It's a beautiful name.

We need more unique names. Less Johns and Susans, please.

The little one is adorable, sir. All the best of luck to ya.

 

[Raikas]

I wouldn't say so, when she starts school I highly doubt that many children are going to know what Tali'Zorah relates to, and in 20 years when she gets a job I highly doubt that anyone who was around when Mass Effect came out will remember that Tali'Zorah was even a character in anything. If the child was in school or in the world of work today then I would imagine that it would be somewhat of an issue, however I cant see it being a problem a few years down the line.

I think it's less about the specific reference and more a general worry about general name-based discrimination - there have been a fair number of studies that show differences in hiring (or in unfair marking in school) based on having a foreign or obviously invented name, and I think that's more what people are concerned about.

That said, I regularly Anglicize my name to avoid the ethnic assumptions, and a coworker of mine who I've always know by a pair of initials recently admitted that her real was some absurd invented hippie name, so I hardly think a distinct name is the end of the world since there are ways around it, but you really can't deny that there are some issues associated with it at the same time.

 

[Charli]

I've given my views on prior topics so I don't need to behave impetuously on here by restating it.

So I will just come into here to do what I came to do.

"DAWWWWWWW. She's a little muffin I could just eat up. You take care of that precious little babe."

 

[thebobmaster_v1legacy]

Wonder how many of the people attacking the OP for the name choice realize that it's quite presumptuous of them to act like they know how Tali will react in a few years. Who knows? She might like the name enough to ignore anyone who insults her over it. Criticizing him for not thinking of her when he named her, while acting like you know EXACTLY what her personality will be like in 5 or 10 years, is a bit much.

*ahem* After I got that off my chest, I just wanted to wish the OP good luck. I'm not great with kids, so I'm glad it's you and not me.

Gawrsh, this? Really?

I came in here ready to fairly critical of the name choice. But on these puny vindictive grounds?

never.

I don't know if some of the people actually involved in this discussion are aware of the fact. But Tali is actually a Hebrew name, i have a friend named it, and as a matter of fact, a hells kitchen (or summat) participant was named it a few years ago. google it, if you doubt the veracity or intent of my claim. I'm fine with if you don't believe it. But it is a name.

I know you probably don't really care, but the Tali you were thinking of was on Masterchef US, season 3. Just saying.

On a different note, wonder how much teasing THAT Tali went through, since Tali is traditionally a female name, and he was very much not a female. Just thought I'd attach a photo (or GIF, in this case), just to show that Tali is, in fact, a real name.

Spoiler: Masterchef Tali

 

[testiou]

Wonder how many of the people attacking the OP for the name choice realize that it's quite presumptuous of them to act like they know how Tali will react in a few years. Who knows? She might like the name enough to ignore anyone who insults her over it. Criticizing him for not thinking of her when he named her, while acting like you know EXACTLY what her personality will be like in 5 or 10 years, is a bit much.

That is the point. Let's say you would have to name somebody you don't know... like the new guy in the office. Would you name him Chuck'Norris? In the off chance that he will love to hear Chuck Norris jokes all day? No... you would give him a normal name - so he will not punch you in the head.

It's the same situation here. But they thought their daughter is a special little snowflake. So they gave her a special name to fit her special and unique personality - that they don't know of yet.

 

[thebobmaster_v1legacy]

Wonder how many of the people attacking the OP for the name choice realize that it's quite presumptuous of them to act like they know how Tali will react in a few years. Who knows? She might like the name enough to ignore anyone who insults her over it. Criticizing him for not thinking of her when he named her, while acting like you know EXACTLY what her personality will be like in 5 or 10 years, is a bit much.

That is the point. Let's say you would have to name somebody you don't know... like the new guy in the office. Would you name him Chuck'Norris? In the off chance that he will love to hear Chuck Norris jokes all day? No... you would give him a normal name - so he will not punch you in the head.

It's the same situation here. But they thought their daughter is a special little snowflake. So they gave her a special name to fit her special and unique personality - that they don't know of yet.

Except, as he stated several times in the initial thread, and has been pointed out on this thread, the name had nothing to do directly with liking the character or Mass Effect, but was picked by his wife because she liked the sound of the name. It's not because "she's a special little snowflake". They just liked the name. Hell, at least they didn't decide to use their daughter to make a joke, like Bill Lear (of Lear Jets), who named his daughter Chanda.

To me, that is being selfish and uncaring. Picking a non-traditional name because you like the sound of it? What's wrong with that? Oh, yeah, the apostrophe.

 

[Hero in a half shell]

Congratulations man, she's adorable!

All the best for the future, and when she's eight years old, if she ever accidentally sets fire to the living room rug - go easy on her.

I'm not sure what bothers me more.

The prospect of a father knowingly using his child as a focus for seeking attention, or that you are completely unaware of any of the implications of your actions, despite the pages of people advising you against it.

Scary indeed.

Is this any different from the mothers who post EVERY TEN DAMN MINUTES D; on FB about their baby? Or the countless mother and baby blogs?

This would be suited better to a blog but it's always nice to hear about this when it happens to an Escapist member since we're supposed to be a community.
When you've decided on a name you like, why should strangers on the internet dictate what you name your child?

The man seems like a good father and that's all that concerns me. Like I said before, if Tali doesn't like her name she can go by something else. My mum decided when she was young to go by Mandy instead of her actual name.

Just let the man be happy.

And the last thread wasn't enough for that?

When you've decided on a name you like, why should strangers on the internet dictate what you name your child?

It becomes an issue when said parent asks people about said name, then decides to ignore all advice because he was never seeking it in the first place, only using it to garner attention, which sets off several alarm bells in my head.


Fulfilling a biological imperative doesn't make someone immune to criticism, if anything they deserve more, because it isn't just their life they're in control of anymore.

Man, Grumpstar is at full grump today XD

You... changed your avatar. Lord knows how many posts of yours I've already read with no idea it was you. I feel used.

 

[Longstreet]

Wonder how many of the people attacking the OP for the name choice realize that it's quite presumptuous of them to act like they know how Tali will react in a few years. Who knows? She might like the name enough to ignore anyone who insults her over it. Criticizing him for not thinking of her when he named her, while acting like you know EXACTLY what her personality will be like in 5 or 10 years, is a bit much.

That is the point. Let's say you would have to name somebody you don't know... like the new guy in the office. Would you name him Chuck'Norris? In the off chance that he will love to hear Chuck Norris jokes all day? No... you would give him a normal name - so he will not punch you in the head.

It's the same situation here. But they thought their daughter is a special little snowflake. So they gave her a special name to fit her special and unique personality - that they don't know of yet.

Except, as he stated several times in the initial thread, and has been pointed out on this thread, the name had nothing to do directly with liking the character or Mass Effect, but was picked by his wife because she liked the sound of the name. It's not because "she's a special little snowflake". They just liked the name. Hell, at least they didn't decide to use their daughter to make a joke, like Bill Lear (of Lear Jets), who named his daughter Chanda.

To me, that is being selfish and uncaring. Picking a non-traditional name because you like the sound of it? What's wrong with that? Oh, yeah, the apostrophe.

That means absolutely nothing at all. If i name my kid Chuck'Norris 'Surname', not because i know anything about him / his acting, movies ect. but just because i like the sound of the name, they will still associate my childs name with that one actor that can roundhouse kick. Even if I never seen a roundhouse kick, doesnt mean other people won't associate the two.

 

[thebobmaster_v1legacy]

Wonder how many of the people attacking the OP for the name choice realize that it's quite presumptuous of them to act like they know how Tali will react in a few years. Who knows? She might like the name enough to ignore anyone who insults her over it. Criticizing him for not thinking of her when he named her, while acting like you know EXACTLY what her personality will be like in 5 or 10 years, is a bit much.

That is the point. Let's say you would have to name somebody you don't know... like the new guy in the office. Would you name him Chuck'Norris? In the off chance that he will love to hear Chuck Norris jokes all day? No... you would give him a normal name - so he will not punch you in the head.

It's the same situation here. But they thought their daughter is a special little snowflake. So they gave her a special name to fit her special and unique personality - that they don't know of yet.

Except, as he stated several times in the initial thread, and has been pointed out on this thread, the name had nothing to do directly with liking the character or Mass Effect, but was picked by his wife because she liked the sound of the name. It's not because "she's a special little snowflake". They just liked the name. Hell, at least they didn't decide to use their daughter to make a joke, like Bill Lear (of Lear Jets), who named his daughter Chanda.

To me, that is being selfish and uncaring. Picking a non-traditional name because you like the sound of it? What's wrong with that? Oh, yeah, the apostrophe.

That means absolutely nothing at all. If i name my kid Chuck'Norris 'Surname', not because i know anything about him / his acting, movies ect. but just because i like the sound of the name, they will still associate my childs name with that one actor that can roundhouse kick. Even if I never seen a roundhouse kick, doesnt mean other people won't associate the two.

That's a fair point. It wasn't the point the guy making the post I quoted was making, though. He was saying that they named her that either just because of the character, or because they felt their daughter was special. I was pointing out that their reasons for the name were different.

I agree that the child may be in for rough times, and will have her name associated for that. What I take issue with are the people who imply, or flat-out state, that the daughter WILL hate them for it, and WILL want to change her name, as if they are guarantees rather than just possibilities.

 

[Brutal Peanut]

I didn't particularly think it was a good idea when the first thread came up, but I was never violently opposed. I've heard worse names, that's for sure. I can't say that I agree with it just because it's over and done with, but it's not something I plan to dwell on. Glad your daughter his healthy, at least.

 

[testiou]

That's a fair point. It wasn't the point the guy making the post I quoted was making, though. He was saying that they named her that either just because of the character, or because they felt their daughter was special. I was pointing out that their reasons for the name were different.

Thats what you think happend. But he had a saying in this whole "how to name our daughter" thing. And I say he wanted to call her like that because he thought it would be a good idear to name her like an alien he had sex with.

 

[thebobmaster_v1legacy]

That's a fair point. It wasn't the point the guy making the post I quoted was making, though. He was saying that they named her that either just because of the character, or because they felt their daughter was special. I was pointing out that their reasons for the name were different.

Thats what you think happend. But he had a saying in this whole "how to name our daughter" thing. And I say he wanted to call her like that because he thought it would be a good idear to name her like an alien he had sex with.

In that case, you are ignoring the evidence given, and drawing your own conclusions in order to look at him in the most negative light possible. I'm not entirely saying you are wrong, mind you. But you have no proof you are right, you just want to think the worst about him.

 

[Sir Thomas Sean Connery]

Oh my God, you actually did it. D: Oh man. The apostrophe and everything...

This was my first thought as well.

Well, congratulations anyway, no matter how... interesting the decision may have been.

If the Escapist still exists in 13 years, you need to make her a profile so she can tell us how it's going.

On a side note, what's this about Bioware reaching out?

Tu Morrow, Child Of: Rob Morrow
North West, child of gay fish and hobbit.

I laughed at those way harder than I had any right to.

 

[testiou]

That's a fair point. It wasn't the point the guy making the post I quoted was making, though. He was saying that they named her that either just because of the character, or because they felt their daughter was special. I was pointing out that their reasons for the name were different.

Thats what you think happend. But he had a saying in this whole "how to name our daughter" thing. And I say he wanted to call her like that because he thought it would be a good idear to name her like an alien he had sex with.

In that case, you are ignoring the evidence given, and drawing your own conclusions in order to look at him in the most negative light possible. I'm not entirely saying you are wrong, mind you. But you have no proof you are right, you just want to think the worst about him.

What evidence? We just have a statment - From himself...


We don't know if he really called his daughter Tali'Zorah - we don't even know if he has a daughter.