Teaching kids about homosexuality

[Harmondale2]

Yes they should be told, its just as much part of it as anything else

 

[Olrod]

Would teaching them about heterosexuality encourage them to go out and become teenage parents?

No?

Then what do you imagine will be so bad about teaching them about homosexuality?

 

[SpaceSpork]

I remember, when I was a little boy, my friends used the term "gay" in a derogatory sense before they knew what it meant. Perhaps their parents could have taught them about it, before they get imprinted on by a homophobe.

 

[101flyboy]

Not everyone is born gay, while people most certainly don't CHOOSE to be gay, that doesn't mean it can't develop because of external stimuli.

BULLSHIT.
http://psychcentral.com/news/2008/06/30/genetics-and-environment-shape-sexual-orientation/2522.html

How does that contradict? If environmental factors help shape it then clearly not everyone is born gay. If all gay people were born gay then environmental factors could not contribute since it would already be determined. So 'Not everyone is born gay' fits. 'while people most certainly don't CHOOSE to be gay' is not contradicted by presenting factors that aren't a choice. And environment is an external stimuli so not sure how 'that doesn't mean it can't develop because of external stimuli' is wrong. Every piece of it seems fine.

Individual-specific environmental factors means environmental factors that are PERSONAL, and NOT INFLUENCED BY OTHERS. That would include things such as biological processes in the womb. That would not include societal attitudes, family, parenting, or friends. It doesn't include "hey, I'm your dad, let me teach you to be gay." No person can make a gay person gay, it's a PERSONAL thing.

Try again now, please.

 

[Jimbo1212]

Teaching kids about homosexuality?
Should it not be " Warning kids about homosexuality"?

Anyway, I think there is no point teaching a kid about homosexuality because they will find out in their own time, especially if she is only 7.

 

[101flyboy]

No, I do not. I don't think homosexuality should be encouraged, unless it actually comes from the child itself, with as little as external influence as possible.

The same goes for the opposite- The kid will learn soon enough, and probably ask her parents about it- then they should tell her, naturally, as unbiased as they can. If she later finds out she is indeed actually queer, it would be better if she does not have any subconscious issues with it inherited from her parents.

But still, they should not be handled equally, as heterosexuality is still the norm- and the natural way to reproduce. If the children are gay, they will probably find it out themselves. The important thing is to then make sure they are neither ashamed or feel otherwise repressed.

This.

Being gay isn't evil, but there still is little point is teaching stuff about gays besides that they aren't horrible people trying to destroy morality.

The point is that homosexuality exists, homosexuals exists, and most kids have homosexual thoughts, and almost all kids will encounter homosexual situations in their young lives. That's the point.

Also, I don't understand why it needs to be qualified that being gay isn't evil. That shouldn't have to be stated. That's common sense.

 

[C95J]

You should teach about homosexuality at the same time as hetrosexuality, because there is nothing wrong with it.

 

[101flyboy]

Should it not be " Warning kids about homosexuality"?

Didn't read the rest.

 

[101flyboy]

My pregnant sister has a 7 year old step-daughter who's in the process of learning about the birds and the bees. I was a little rattled to learn that my sister is only teaching her about hetrosexual relations, saying that it would be 'inappropriate' to tell her about homosexuality at such an early age as the step-daughter might discuss it at school and awkward phone calls from the teachers might follow. Since my sister is in a hetrosexual marriage she argued that it's what her step-daughter encounters on a daily basis, and thus is what she should be taught as the 'norm'.

Do you escapists think that children should be told about homosexuality and homosexual relationships at the same time as they're learning about straight relationships?

Absolutely not.

If an adult wants to make the decision that that lifestyle is for them, thats their business. But I completely disagree with teaching a child about it. As a parent, I find it outrageous that anyone would try to do so, to be honest.

That lifestyle is a sexual orientation and an attraction that most people in their lives feel at one time or another. And, I find it outrageous you think it's outrageous to teach kids about reality.

You may as well just say "I disagree with homosexuality and don't want kids to think it's an acceptable option." Since it's clear that is what you're saying.

 

[101flyboy]

Love can also occur between a man and an animal, or a woman and an animal, or a man, a woman, an alien and an animal. It's also possible that you have a desire to express your love using cream, other food, whips, poo, tinfoil, handcuffs, rapelay, domination etc. You are free to express your love in any way possible........

Yeah this sounds beautiful...

We teach kids in our society about social norms, we dont tell them about every freakin possibility there is with everything.

Comparing fictional love scenarios between aliens and humans with homosexual relationships just goes to show how badly in touch with the current reality you are.

Homosexuality BELONG to social norms in pretty much the entire western world and if a parent expect their kid to go through life never noticing that it exists or even meet a gay person then that parent lives in a fantasyworld disconnected from the real one. In the same way yours is when you try to portay it as something so uncommon as a person in love with an alien...

Well apparently it doesn't belong to our social norms yet, otherwise we wouldnt be having this discussion now would we?

The reason we are having this discussion is because it's normal. And, obviously, you have a problem with that.

 

[101flyboy]

They're kids, let them be kids for a while.

The whole kids will be kids attitude are the main driving force behind things like teen pregnancy, bullying and hazing. That's irresponsible. If you raise ignorant kids, they will act out ignorantly.

 

[101flyboy]

I thought sex education was just about reproduction, not relationships. So technically you can only talk about heterosexuals. And I think they should discover their sexualities themselves. If you tell them all the options at the beginning it'll be too confusing. They'll think people are just reproducing wrong, and they may possibly choose a sexuality before they even find out what theirs is.

Sex education is about sex education. Not reproduction education. Sex education includes reproduction, and it includes heterosexuality, homosexuality and sexual orientation. So technically, you can't discuss sex education, without touching on the other realities of life. Now, with 7 year olds, there is some things better left unsaid, but then again, hiding things is not the correct option either. There is nothing confusing about some men like men, some men like women, vise versa. That is simple as. If a kid is confused, that's because they haven't been educated properly. And by a kid is 13 and start recognizing what they like, if you teach them beforehand about "some people are ______ and some are _______" they'll understand what these feelings actually mean, instead of maybe being freaked out by them.

 

[Boommin]

I don't understand why they would go into detail about a fetish? In school, they go over how humans reproduce not the many different ways you can have sex. I'm really sick of all these radical religious and homosexuals blowing this argument into something else.

 

[Mr_Czar]

It's pretty odd how people can translate "Teaching kids about homosexuality" to "Making your kids gay". When I was young and learnt about the speed of light, I didn't suddenly want to become a photon. Pft.

I do NOW. Obviously.

 

[101flyboy]

Love can also occur between a man and an animal, or a woman and an animal, or a man, a woman, an alien and an animal. It's also possible that you have a desire to express your love using cream, other food, whips, poo, tinfoil, handcuffs, rapelay, domination etc. You are free to express your love in any way possible........

Yeah this sounds beautiful...

We teach kids in our society about social norms, we dont tell them about every freakin possibility there is with everything.

Comparing fictional love scenarios between aliens and humans with homosexual relationships just goes to show how badly in touch with the current reality you are.

Homosexuality BELONG to social norms in pretty much the entire western world and if a parent expect their kid to go through life never noticing that it exists or even meet a gay person then that parent lives in a fantasyworld disconnected from the real one. In the same way yours is when you try to portay it as something so uncommon as a person in love with an alien...

Well apparently it doesn't belong to our social norms yet, otherwise we wouldnt be having this discussion now would we?

It does belong to our social norms, I don't see how you came to the decision that it doesn't.

I would say that a social norm only exist when, lets say, 90% of people in a society agree that deviation of the norm is an actionable offense, to be rectified by the state, social pressure, whatever. I think it's pretty obvious that there isnt a country in the world that considers acceptance of homosexuality as part of the social norm (according to this definition).

Hell, in most of the western world (assuming we only discuss the western world here), same-sex marriage isnt even allowed. That means that the majority of the population in those countries doesnt want the same legal status for homosexual relations and before you even consider homosexuality to be included in the social norm I think it might be prudent to make it fucking legal first.

Are you kidding yourself? I mean, let's get real for a minute. A social norm isn't even about how something is accepted. It's how something influences/impacts/is a part of every day society. That's what social norm actually means. The FACT homosexuality is CONSTANTLY discussed makes it normal, obviously. If it wasn't normal, it wouldn't be a mainstream issue, and it is a mainstream issue. A lot like interracial couples, in the US, around 30% of people are against these relationships. But they are still normal, because they are things that we encounter on an every day basis. It's an every day part of life. Hell, using your definition of socially normal, is being a liberal socially normal? According to you, it wouldn't be.

As far as same-sex marriage laws, quite a few countries allow it and are in the process of allowing it. And in most of these countries a majority support it. But once again, that doesn't mean it isn't socially normal because some don't. There is a difference between social acceptance and social normality.

We get it, you think homosexuality is deviant and abnormal, but that's simply not true whatsoever. No need to get your panties in a twist.

 

[101flyboy]

go into detail about a fetish?

Failure.