The servers that are trade only will kick F2P players because they are not allowed to trade. Maybe some douches will kick F2P's from their private servers, but that is probably also better for the general noob.
Team Fortress 2 F2P Ban mod WTH?
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Just nerds being elitist nerds. The TF2 pros, who look very similar to the southpark kids in the WoW episode, don't want non-pros making them lose games.. cause PVP is serious business.
I think it's more pathetic than outrageous, but for some people having l33t TF2 matches is their only reason for living.
I think it's more pathetic than outrageous, but for some people having l33t TF2 matches is their only reason for living.
People are petty. The sooner you learn this, the more life will make sense.Sizzle Montyjing said:
The blocking of F2P players isn't so much due to "only wanting to play with pros" and more due to people griefing/hacking via F2P accounts. If you create a steam account for that sole purpose then you have no monetary investment in the account and if it gets banned you lose nothing.Sizzle Montyjing said:
Thus there could well be a higher chance of free players being bad.
From the way that you're talking, I don't think you know how how TF2 servers work...JohnReaper said:
No, I don't think it's OK, but ultimately it's the server owner's choice. I'm not sure how you think players can be blackballed and "ran through barbwire". Once a game is over, you leave the server, you don't have to pick a single server and stick to it. You're not locked into a single server like you are with WoW
If the community you're playing with doesn't like F2P's, that's cool. Leave the community and come and play with someone like us [http://www.escapistmagazine.com/groups/chat/The-Escapist-Team-Fortress-2-Group-PC]. We're always welcoming!
It's biased a fuck, but server owners have the right to ban whoever they want for whatever reason they want. If they can ban people because they're not skilled enough or whatever other reason, they can ban you for being F2P.Sizzle Montyjing said:
I played TF2 since beta and before F2P the game was slowly starving to death. Now that the F2P folks are here, the game is as lively as it wasn't in a very long time. That's certainly a very good thing, because it means there'll be fun for at least another couple of years.
Everyone not seeing this must be either a massive jerk or a jackass.
That said, it's every server owners right to decide who's allowed to play on the server and who's not. Smear Campaigns as you call them, Mr. oder Mrs. JohnReaper, on the other hand are always and in every circumstance, videogame or not, a testament to being an idiot.
Everyone not seeing this must be either a massive jerk or a jackass.
That said, it's every server owners right to decide who's allowed to play on the server and who's not. Smear Campaigns as you call them, Mr. oder Mrs. JohnReaper, on the other hand are always and in every circumstance, videogame or not, a testament to being an idiot.
TotalBiscuit already covered this. I'm not going to bother finding his Daily Mailbox that had the specific question regarding his thoughts on the matter, but suffice it to say he did explain that (as many others have said before) it's within the rights of the owners of the server to make whatever rules they wish. It isn't up to you and the onus isn't on them to make things fair. They pay for the server, not you. It's not like there's a shortage of servers out there. So 10% have a no F2Player rule. So what. Hardly earth shattering when you consider the large amount of servers and players out there. Not only that, but he went on to say that there is a very noticeable difference between people who have been playing since its retail release and those who have only just joined as part of the influx of F2Players. I don't really play it myself but from what i gather the general gist of it is that they tend to play more poorly, can be somewhat obnoxious and generally drag the experience down for the whole team. People can get a bit self-entitled when something is F2P and either forget, are unaware or outright don't care for any consequences for their behaviour - see the apparently abysmal League of Legends community for an example of this.
You know F2Players aren't a static value, right? They didn't just join several months ago and are now as a 'community' on par with paid players. There's always new F2Players joining, so the level of experience varies dramatically and is constantly changing with so many people on varying levels of play constantly joining and leaving the game. Yes, you may get that with paid players who rarely play it despite having bought it, but it's just never going to be on the same level as people who just decide to dabble in it for shits and giggles because it's free.Sizzle Montyjing said:
And what does being a "big believer" in the EULA mean, exactly? Because from what i understand, the EULA is an incredibly loose and outright shady set of terms in and of itself. Like EA's recent debacle surrounding the inclusion of "if you use our service you aren't allowed to sue us, but at the same time this service is the only way you can play our games!". Fact is, people have been constantly skirting the EULA for quite some time now and that goes for both sides of the fence. Technically, people on WoW shouldn't be modding. Or at the very least, shouldn't mod skin textures, but they do it anyway. Hundreds, probably even thousands, do it. Blizzard doesn't seem to mind half as much as they'd have you believe. EA tries to infringe on your consumer rights by making you declare you can't sue them for any reason and that they can take any information they like about your computer. The point being that honestly, there's no way anyone could hands-up say that they were a "big believer" in any sort of EULA, be they corporations or consumers. Both sides get equally fucked over. But it's a matter of que sera sera, at the end of the day.arragonder said:
Just to reiterate my earlier point: Pretty much this. It's the self-entitled whining that people want to get away from. "The world should cater to ME. How DARE they decide to actively exclude me! There's hundreds of other servers i could go to instead, but no, i want to play HERE. Rabble rabble principles god damnit!"
This behavior is:
A) Well within the rights of whoever owns/operates the server and thus is fair
B) A pretty huge dick move by a bunch of over-entitled twats
A) Well within the rights of whoever owns/operates the server and thus is fair
B) A pretty huge dick move by a bunch of over-entitled twats
You must be one of those people that think the console community sucks but everybody that plays PC is a saint.Welcome to the real world.
This is just bloody ridiculous, its just cutting the fanbase in half and deterring potential micro transactions from fans who feel unwelcome, successfully taking profit away from valve. But as for me personally I have never been so happy to have spent money before in my life, I won't have to deal with the crap F2P players have to deal with. Sorry whoever Is stuck with this kind of backlash, truly.
A significantly greater number of F2Pers are shitheads than those that aren't; most people don't want shitheads on their servers. Therefore, as a shithead preventing method, F2Pers are banned. It's not childish, it's reasonable. Also, far too many F2Pers are under 16, and nobody likes kids except moms.
I don't see the big deal, people who paid money for the game don't want to play with those that got it for free. People who are F2P have no right to complain, as they didn't pay for the fucking product.
Long-time players are annoyed by the upswing in random retardation of their fellow players, they associate it with the influx of new users since TF2 went F2P. You are annoyed because as a F2P user, there are servers out there that will ban you for it. How annoying do you think it is for people that spent $40 for a product to have to share it with new users that got it for free? Especially when those users then proceed to ***** and whine about how they are entitled to just as much as those that paid for access.
Individual server bans is nothing, you still got the game for free.
Long-time players are annoyed by the upswing in random retardation of their fellow players, they associate it with the influx of new users since TF2 went F2P. You are annoyed because as a F2P user, there are servers out there that will ban you for it. How annoying do you think it is for people that spent $40 for a product to have to share it with new users that got it for free? Especially when those users then proceed to ***** and whine about how they are entitled to just as much as those that paid for access.
Individual server bans is nothing, you still got the game for free.
While as of yet, I haven't really been affected by the F2P "n00bs", I have seen several idiot ones who were actually insulting people for having payed for the game, and were bragging that they got the game for free. Basically it's those few assholes who ruin it for everyone who just so happens to be F2P.
Well, not to generalize, but there are a lot of shitty F2P gamers. I can understand why you wouldn't want them in your server. They often lack team spirit, and skill. but I know there are good players too, who get severely wronged by this. I can't say I approve of it, but a game with 5 snipers and 4 spies on your team is quite frustrating, and I often (as a moderately skilled tf2 player, often in the scoreboard top, and knowing the flow, ins and outs of the game quite well) have to yell at the 5th sniper to go offensive, medic or anything but spy,sniper or scout. They won't listen, but I still do it. getting steamrolled by one heavy-medic combo because your team lacks basic teamwork to stop that, is maddening. it's a feeble stab to prevent these games, because they still happen too much D:.
