Teen Arrested for Making Threats Over Xbox Live

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SpireOfFire

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"my life sucks so i'm gonna kill other people then myself."

(sarcasm) yeah, great plan. (sarcasm off) fuckin' pussy.
 

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dietpeachsnapple said:
Normally I am somewhat more conflicted about such things. I want to try and defend the young man, saying that he did not understand how seriously his statements would be taken. I would also like to age into consideration. On the other hand, it was a stupid thing to say under any circumstance and was worthy of investigation. Lastly, I am unsure how much trouble this kid needs to get in. It is definitely not felony class misbehavior.

This was an act of idiocy and was in need of punishment - simple enough I suppose.
So being stupid is now a crime? You have a bad day say something you would never really mean over a chatroom of 15 other people and you deserve a felony record that will haunt you for the rest of your life?

And shouldn't the guy who reported it be charged? He is afterall the one who made the false report.
 

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squid5580 said:
dietpeachsnapple said:
Normally I am somewhat more conflicted about such things. I want to try and defend the young man, saying that he did not understand how seriously his statements would be taken. I would also like to age into consideration. On the other hand, it was a stupid thing to say under any circumstance and was worthy of investigation. Lastly, I am unsure how much trouble this kid needs to get in. It is definitely not felony class misbehavior.

This was an act of idiocy and was in need of punishment - simple enough I suppose.
So being stupid is now a crime? You have a bad day say something you would never really mean over a chatroom of 15 other people and you deserve a felony record that will haunt you for the rest of your life?

And shouldn't the guy who reported it be charged? He is afterall the one who made the false report.
Threatening to kill people is a crime, they are letting the kid off easy with only a false report charge. The guy who reported the crime is a great guy, his report was entirely accurate (not false) everything he told the police was true. How on Earth could you charge him with false reporting?! And why would you want to?

This kid claims he had no intention of carrying out his threats, well of course he's going to say that when the police have him in custody.
 

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squid5580 said:
dietpeachsnapple said:
Normally I am somewhat more conflicted about such things. I want to try and defend the young man, saying that he did not understand how seriously his statements would be taken. I would also like to age into consideration. On the other hand, it was a stupid thing to say under any circumstance and was worthy of investigation. Lastly, I am unsure how much trouble this kid needs to get in. It is definitely not felony class misbehavior.

This was an act of idiocy and was in need of punishment - simple enough I suppose.
So being stupid is now a crime? You have a bad day say something you would never really mean over a chatroom of 15 other people and you deserve a felony record that will haunt you for the rest of your life?

And shouldn't the guy who reported it be charged? He is afterall the one who made the false report.
You are the voice that is the lingering doubt. Stupidity, of course, is not a crime. It is highly correlated with a great many acts we deem to be criminal. I would ask, however, what you think this young man is charged with? Stupidity? Obviously not; he is charged with felony false alarm. As we both read OP, we both know this. As we both know this, I would like to think that a comment such as 'an act of stupidity was punished,' would be understood to mean that I was calling the ACT stupid.

I stated in my post that he should not have a felony on his record due to this. I would have liked that to have come across more salient. As for the man who reported him - threatening someone's life is a crime, and I would prefer that a person report it and be mistaken, than fail to report it, and be right.

(As a side note - I don't commit crimes on my bad days. I find better ways to use my time.)
 

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Typhusoid said:
Well, the guys obviously a twat, but arresting him seems like an overeaction. He's just one of a million LIVE douchebags who talk big but could take a fly.
I disagree, if they start arresting people for this kind of thing it can only make the world a better place man, they need to be taught a frigging lesson and hey what gives you the shits more than the 5.0 with batons outside your house lookin at you! XD

Point being is, that this is a good thing to happen and cyber harassment/threats should be punished :)

-JB
 

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300lb. Samoan said:
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300lb. Samoan said:
Oh, hello. Glad to see you're all pleased with recent peace-keeping results. Please disregard me and continue to self-monitor, for the good of society. And remember, we're always watching. [http://www.netcharles.com/orwell/pics/1984/1984-signet1981.jpg] -BB
could you clarify that reference I am quite intrigued.
In George Orwell's 1984, the surveillance state was so pervasive that half of its work was accomplished by cooperative citizens who would report suspicious behavior to the government. I can't help seeing the similarities when a 15 year old who makes egregious remarks about his school is reported to Microsoft and their technology is used to track him down and have him suspended.

Also, BB refers to Big Brother, the icon of that surveillance state. I'd recommend 1984 [http://www.george-orwell.org/1984] to everyone as an excellent read, but especially to anyone using Google, Microsoft, Amazon, or any credit-card technology on a regular basis.
thank you very much
 

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Actual said:
squid5580 said:
dietpeachsnapple said:
Normally I am somewhat more conflicted about such things. I want to try and defend the young man, saying that he did not understand how seriously his statements would be taken. I would also like to age into consideration. On the other hand, it was a stupid thing to say under any circumstance and was worthy of investigation. Lastly, I am unsure how much trouble this kid needs to get in. It is definitely not felony class misbehavior.

This was an act of idiocy and was in need of punishment - simple enough I suppose.
So being stupid is now a crime? You have a bad day say something you would never really mean over a chatroom of 15 other people and you deserve a felony record that will haunt you for the rest of your life?

And shouldn't the guy who reported it be charged? He is afterall the one who made the false report.
Threatening to kill people is a crime, they are letting the kid off easy with only a false report charge. The guy who reported the crime is a great guy, his report was entirely accurate (not false) everything he told the police was true. How on Earth could you charge him with false reporting?! And why would you want to?

This kid claims he had no intention of carrying out his threats, well of course he's going to say that when the police have him in custody.
Hmm innocent until proven guilty ring any bells? And has anyone actually considered the reprecussions from this? You take a kid who may or may not be a psychopathic criminal and put him in with a bunch of convicted psychopaths (and other criminal sorts) and while you are at it take away his chance of getting an education, a good job and a future. Yep if he wasn't going to do it before you have just increased the odds exponentially that he will at some point in the future. Better lock him up and throw away the key.
 

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dietpeachsnapple said:
squid5580 said:
dietpeachsnapple said:
Normally I am somewhat more conflicted about such things. I want to try and defend the young man, saying that he did not understand how seriously his statements would be taken. I would also like to age into consideration. On the other hand, it was a stupid thing to say under any circumstance and was worthy of investigation. Lastly, I am unsure how much trouble this kid needs to get in. It is definitely not felony class misbehavior.

This was an act of idiocy and was in need of punishment - simple enough I suppose.
So being stupid is now a crime? You have a bad day say something you would never really mean over a chatroom of 15 other people and you deserve a felony record that will haunt you for the rest of your life?

And shouldn't the guy who reported it be charged? He is afterall the one who made the false report.
You are the voice that is the lingering doubt. Stupidity, of course, is not a crime. It is highly correlated with a great many acts we deem to be criminal. I would ask, however, what you think this young man is charged with? Stupidity? Obviously not; he is charged with felony false alarm. As we both read OP, we both know this. As we both know this, I would like to think that a comment such as 'an act of stupidity was punished,' would be understood to mean that I was calling the ACT stupid.

I stated in my post that he should not have a felony on his record due to this. I would have liked that to have come across more salient. As for the man who reported him - threatening someone's life is a crime, and I would prefer that a person report it and be mistaken, than fail to report it, and be right.

(As a side note - I don't commit crimes on my bad days. I find better ways to use my time.)
You want to know how I think it should have been handled? Cops bust in throw the cuffs on him. Take him down to the station where they scare the crap out of him (you can tell by the wet spot on the front of his pants) then they call his parents and send him home. Then they can go out and do something about the crimes actually being committed.

Or another wacky off the wall idea. Police phone school. School has meeting with parents to assess the situation. Maybe involve a shrink. Or at the very least look for a clue he is serious before destroying his life.

I thought the constitution was supposed to protect civilians from this kind of authority paranoia. Or anytime you say to anyone you will kill them in a game you could be next. And it won't matter if you were talking about them or thier avatar.
 

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hURR dURR dERP said:
One of these days, they're gonna track down Bin Laden by his Xbox Live account...
nah man .. i'm pretty sure binladen has psn ... coz heard he was a real "solid snake" fan :D

90% of all the shit you hear online is total bullshit anyay .. but i don't blame them for tracking a guy down for that .. serves him right .. that's the kinda shit you reaaaally shouldn't joke about
 

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BWAAHAHAHAH HAHHA HAAA

im sorry but that is RICH
ppl tell me they 'gunna call the police on me!!1' on xbla all the time naow its 4 rizzle XD
 

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The_Shinigamer said:
samsonguy920 said:
UtopiaV1 said:
You guys ever watched Minority Report? Where people who saw the future, "pre-cogs", predicted "crimes" that would happen in the future, and then the police would arrest the person who would commit the crime before they could do it. Do you remember how that film ended? (and don't say badly, but if you did i would agree :p )

Turns out *gasp* intent and action are TOTALLY DIFFERENT THINGS!!! This is the stupidest waste of police time i've ever witnessed since my neighbor rang the local PD to complain about my unkempt fern tree in the garden. Especially given the fact that this person (in the above article) didn't have the EQUIPMENT necessary actually carry out the crime he said he was going to commit.

This is so stupid. This isn't games being used for good, this is the first step towards a 1984-style future...

EDIT: I see I have been beaten to the punch. Glad to see not everyone in here is a short-sighted, a-moral sheep...
If it was the government monitoring LIVE that then arrested the boy, and then probably the man for not saying anything about it on his own, then you would be right. It is a part of a person's civic duty to follow up when they are witness to a crime that is happening or is in the process of. I am curious when down the road a crime is committed against you or someone close to you, and you find out later that someone could have stepped up and said something that would have prevented the crime from being committed, if you would forgive that witness since they didn't play the part of an "Orwellian stooge." Ask yourself that.
When I was in school I was called into a principal's office for police questioning because someone said someone else said that someone else heard me and a friend "sinisterly plotting" to "blow up the school." I was labelled a terrorist, even though I was failing chemistry at the time which they would've noticed if our American heads weren't up George Dub-yah's ass at the time, and the rest of my scholastic career, the moment anything happened I was asked about it first.

now it's a slippery ass slope on this arguement and I am indeed overjoyed that a potentially serious crime may have been prevented. The question here is was it worth the cost? Any little thing that an aging conservative Senator sees as an opportunity to crack down on any kind of Broadly listed "Terrorist Acts" especially involving these stupid kids that

WONT GET OFF MY DAMN LAWN!!!!

He's gonna push an agenda that can capitalize on this. It isn't violent videogames save the day. It's Violent videogames cause students to rage and nearly become terrorists. They'll also probably work drugs and teen pregnancy into the headline somewhere.

As for one of our families or ourselves being victimized and there being potential to catch it...there always is one. It's your cell phone. Everyone's got one and the mic never shuts off, just is or isn't connected to the radio. EVERYTHING CAN BE HEARD IF YOU WISH. See how well you like it.
Edit: Fixed the quotes for ya, and then fudged it by posting it right then. My bad.
Anyway we will always have some people who think W. was the next best thing to sliced bread, and there are people who feel the need to panic if they see someone with a towel on their head(like the French, lately). Fortunately those are in the minority, but, unfortunately, most of those seem to work for the TSA. As this poor boy found out. [http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/35428010/ns/travel-news/]
Good news is the Patriot Act is coming up for renewal and is not looking like it will get renewed. Yay! It sucks that ignorance and paranoia hit you in the face, and I do hope it doesn't again.
Want some relief on your part? Be careful how you word things when you share things in public, since they can be misconstrued if easily overheard in the wrong context. People voice out about anything, and it should be our right. But these days many are sensitive to persons speaking out about doing harm or damage in schools. It's been happening way too often, and it sucks we have to be careful about it now because of it.
But one thing to do, at least, is write your congress(wo)men and tell them to vote against renewing that waste of paper that is called the Patriot Act. All it does is punish regular people and limits our rights, while serving as a primer to terrorists on how not to get caught.
 

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squid5580 said:
dietpeachsnapple said:
squid5580 said:
dietpeachsnapple said:
Normally I am somewhat more conflicted about such things. I want to try and defend the young man, saying that he did not understand how seriously his statements would be taken. I would also like to age into consideration. On the other hand, it was a stupid thing to say under any circumstance and was worthy of investigation. Lastly, I am unsure how much trouble this kid needs to get in. It is definitely not felony class misbehavior.

This was an act of idiocy and was in need of punishment - simple enough I suppose.
So being stupid is now a crime? You have a bad day say something you would never really mean over a chatroom of 15 other people and you deserve a felony record that will haunt you for the rest of your life?

And shouldn't the guy who reported it be charged? He is afterall the one who made the false report.
You are the voice that is the lingering doubt. Stupidity, of course, is not a crime. It is highly correlated with a great many acts we deem to be criminal. I would ask, however, what you think this young man is charged with? Stupidity? Obviously not; he is charged with felony false alarm. As we both read OP, we both know this. As we both know this, I would like to think that a comment such as 'an act of stupidity was punished,' would be understood to mean that I was calling the ACT stupid.

I stated in my post that he should not have a felony on his record due to this. I would have liked that to have come across more salient. As for the man who reported him - threatening someone's life is a crime, and I would prefer that a person report it and be mistaken, than fail to report it, and be right.

(As a side note - I don't commit crimes on my bad days. I find better ways to use my time.)
You want to know how I think it should have been handled? Cops bust in throw the cuffs on him. Take him down to the station where they scare the crap out of him (you can tell by the wet spot on the front of his pants) then they call his parents and send him home. Then they can go out and do something about the crimes actually being committed.

Or another wacky off the wall idea. Police phone school. School has meeting with parents to assess the situation. Maybe involve a shrink. Or at the very least look for a clue he is serious before destroying his life.

I thought the constitution was supposed to protect civilians from this kind of authority paranoia. Or anytime you say to anyone you will kill them in a game you could be next. And it won't matter if you were talking about them or their avatar.
Yes. That is a feasible alternative. Thank you for sharing it with us.
 

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SUPA FRANKY said:
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and people will SHUT THE FUCK UP about Half-Life 3!
we will never stop bout HL3, because we deserve it
OP: well, this is interesting, it is always good the consider both sides of arguments, and this helps us to
 

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MurderousToaster said:
Centrophy said:
Wait, so the kid is being charged with the false-alarm? Shouldn't it be the guy who reported him?
Wait, what? So you're saying that a guy who, after hearing that someone was planning to shoot up a school and murder several people, he should be charged because the kid was fucking around? What if it had been true?
Blast the internet and it's lack of tone. I can't tell if you're being serious or if you're being sarcastic, so I don't no whether to respond with biting irony, or campy bandwagon beyond any semblance of good taste.
 

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Typhusoid said:
Well, the guys obviously a twat, but arresting him seems like an overeaction. He's just one of a million LIVE douchebags who talk big but could take a fly.
Quoted For Truth

OT: What Typhsoid said.
 

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Alright most of what needs to be said has been said...

but the kid was failing school?


I've never quite understood how American students attending public schools could fail barring mental handicap. I mean, my experience is that public school teachers have to bend over backwards to help the weaker students along (to help the school get funding).

Then again, I'm still blown away by the fact that some people here manage to graduate high school and be incapable of reading. Shouldn't that--ya know--be caught--like--in the 2nd grade... at the latest?
 

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Nimzar said:
Alright most of what needs to be said has been said...

but the kid was failing school?

I've never quite understood how American students attending public schools could fail barring mental handicap. I mean, my experience is that public school teachers have to bend over backwards to help the weaker students along (to help the school get funding).

Then again, I'm still blown away by the fact that some people here manage to graduate high school and be incapable of reading. Shouldn't that--ya know--be caught--like--in the 2nd grade... at the latest?
Heh, welcome to the American School System. School boards get populated by people who just want the prestige but not the responsibility, the government feels the need to step in and then screws it all up, and teachers are getting screwed over by their own unions. That's the part that throws me, that teachers felt the need to unionize. When that happened, we lost all hope of ever having a consistent decent education for our kids.
Typhusoid said:
Well, the guys obviously a twat, but arresting him seems like an overeaction. He's just one of a million LIVE douchebags who talk big but could take a fly.
There is being a douchebag, and then there is crossing the line. How many people didn't speak up about someone who had committed a school shooting, after they had overheard the person saying they were going to shoot up the school? Should we just continue ignoring such blatant statements, saying it isn't our problem?
If you can look at a parent or a friend of a slain student, and tell them that exact same statement I quoted here with a straight face, then frankly there is something really cold about you.