Teen dies after taking 'legal' party drug

[DazZ.]

Or just make it illegal, getting high isn't a significant enough good to justify the risk of people dying.

The world would be a hell of a boring place if you banned everything people have a risk of dying from when the reason is just for fun or a feeling.

 

[ChiryX]

Its a substitute for heroin, thus its meant to be used for "medicine" for heroin addics.. so that kid was kind of a retard to take it in the first place if he hasnt tried drugs before. Also, how is it a legal "party drug" .. Well.. gasoline is legal too !!

 

[DazZ.]

Its a substitute for heroin, thus its meant to be used for "medicine" for heroin addics.. so that kid was kind of a retard to take it in the first place if he hasnt tried drugs before. Also, how is it a legal "party drug" .. Well.. gasoline is legal too !!

It's nothing like Heroin, it's being sold as Ecstasy (MDMA anyway) in a lot of places.

Heroin is not a party drug, whereas MDMA is and this shares the same effects.

 

[Cherry Cola]

DEAR GOD! A DRUG THAT KILLS PEOPLE!?

With an incredibly high rate of people dying form Alcohol and tobacco every day, why should we really care for one teenager dying from a legal drug? This isn't a scandal, this is life.

 

[ZeLunarian]

Man that's so shit :\
What's worse than the kid dying is the friends who had to be there when it happened... Imagine )):
But kids,if you HAVE to try these things: whatever you try. Don't BOTHER with heroin... or meth... or any substitute there of... As for them other things. Try to keep it in moderation; and try to keep tabs so you KNOW what's in you.

 

[Seldon2639]

Or just make it illegal, getting high isn't a significant enough good to justify the risk of people dying.

The world would be a hell of a boring place if you banned everything people have a risk of dying from when the reason is just for fun or a feeling.

We must have different definitions of boring. Driving is regulated, so is skydiving, bungie-jumping, and most other "exciting" activities which are dangerous. But, this is quite a straw-man you've got set up.

I can't justify banning everything people have a risk of dying from which they engage in for fun or "feeling". That's an illogical extreme of what I actually said, which was that in this case: we shouldn't allow the sale of this particular drug for the above-stated reasons.

 

[DazZ.]

Or just make it illegal, getting high isn't a significant enough good to justify the risk of people dying.

The world would be a hell of a boring place if you banned everything people have a risk of dying from when the reason is just for fun or a feeling.

We must have different definitions of boring. Driving is regulated, so is skydiving, bungie-jumping, and most other "exciting" activities which are dangerous. But, this is quite a straw-man you've got set up.

I can't justify banning everything people have a risk of dying from which they engage in for fun or "feeling". That's an illogical extreme of what I actually said, which was that in this case: we shouldn't allow the sale of this particular drug for the above-stated reasons.

You said getting high isn't worth the risk to keep it legal. I'd think people who get high from drugs do it for the same reasons people jump out of planes, albeit less extreme.

Your reasoning for it being banned is because it's unregulated, I'd go the opposite way and say keep it legal but make it regulated. People can make their own choices, and will. Banning something isn't going to stop people who want to do it from doing it, but keeping an eye on it makes it safer for those that do.

 

[Seldon2639]

You said getting high isn't worth the risk to keep it legal. I'd think people who get high from drugs do it for the same reasons people jump out of planes, albeit less extreme.

Your reasoning for it being banned is because it's unregulated, I'd go the opposite way and say keep it legal but make it regulated. People can make their own choices, and will. Banning something isn't going to stop people who want to do it from doing it, but keeping an eye on it makes it safer for those that do.

Well, that's a personal philisophical belief. In this circumstance, I don't care nearly as much about maintaining people's rights to get high off their asses. But, I also don't care about their safety. I find their behavior irksome on its face, so how about a compromise:

If you do something stupid (like getting drunk, taking drugs (legal or illegal) or doing anything else for "fun"), and get hurt, you don't get medical treatment.

I don't mean "no government-funded healthcare" I mean "the hospital will kick your dumb ass out".

 

[DazZ.]

You said getting high isn't worth the risk to keep it legal. I'd think people who get high from drugs do it for the same reasons people jump out of planes, albeit less extreme.

Your reasoning for it being banned is because it's unregulated, I'd go the opposite way and say keep it legal but make it regulated. People can make their own choices, and will. Banning something isn't going to stop people who want to do it from doing it, but keeping an eye on it makes it safer for those that do.

Well, that's a personal philisophical belief. In this circumstance, I don't care nearly as much about maintaining people's rights to get high off their asses. But, I also don't care about their safety. I find their behavior irksome on its face, so how about a compromise:

If you do something stupid (like getting drunk, taking drugs (legal or illegal) or doing anything else for "fun"), and get hurt, you don't get medical treatment.

I don't mean "no government-funded healthcare" I mean "the hospital will kick your dumb ass out".

I think that's fair enough, as long as it's a direct result of the drug you took and not like a burglary taking place in your house whilst you're high.

Fine lines obviously going to result with knowing it's the drugs fault when it's a genuine accident, tripping for a broken ankle is an example. But anything caused by the drug, like a heart attack because you decided to run for 4 hours straight then yes, you don't deserve to be saved, first at least.
If nothing else is going on I think everyone who didn't do things to themselves should take priority, and you would be lucky to get treatment but just letting them die seems a bit extreme to me. Self harmers shouldn't get treatment (first) if they decide to hang themselves or slit their wrists either.

That would work as long as people don't start being denied treatment years later because they did weed a few times in high school.

 

[Seldon2639]

I think that's fair enough, as long as it's a direct result of the drug you took and not like a burglary taking place in your house whilst you're high.

Fine lines obviously going to result with knowing it's the drugs fault when it's a genuine accident, tripping for a broken ankle is an example. But anything caused by the drug, like a heart attack because you decided to run for 4 hours straight then yes, you don't deserve to be saved, first at least.
If nothing else is going on I think everyone who didn't do things to themselves should take priority, and you would be lucky to get treatment but just letting them die seems a bit extreme to me. Self harmers shouldn't get treatment (first) if they decide to hang themselves or slit their wrists either.

That would work as long as people don't start being denied treatment years later because they did weed a few times in high school.

Yeah, no. I'm gonna stick with "if you get injured while on drugs, legal or illegal, suck it". I'm not talking about "years later", I'm talking about:

Any injury sustained while on illicit drugs (excluding those taken for legitimate medicinal purpose) including (but not limited to) alcohol, any illegal drugs, prescription pain-killers taken without a prescription or in inappropriate doses, and any drugs whose primary purpose in consumption is to get high will not be treated.

If you get high and break your ankle, you're screwed. If you get drunk and get alcohol poisoning, better hope your friends know first aid.

 

[DazZ.]

If you get high and break your ankle, you're screwed. If you get drunk and get alcohol poisoning, better hope your friends know first aid.

Being injured by a third party whilst you're high or something else as an accident should be treated the same as someone not on drugs. Just because people smoke doesn't mean they shouldn't get treated because they happen to fall over whilst smoking, however they are a lower priority for lung treatment, which is fair enough.
Going round in circles now though, just thought I'd clear up my point in a smaller paragraph then leave it huge and messy.

 

[manaman]

It probably is illegal, using even over the counter drugs in a manner inconstant with their labeling is illegal.

Other then that, I like the part where it says this what his first time using drugs. Sad if true, most likely a huge friggin fib.

 

[SnootyEnglishman]

This is some crazy stuff. I think the one quote where the person describes it as a "substitute for heroin" should have given some warning signs as to the some lethal potential to this eh?

 

[AWAR]

I damn well knew it when I saw the thread title...
I knew it would be that fertiliser I heard about...
I do find it kinda stupid that people can just go and put substances into their bodies that do this sometimes, and I can't understand why, but that is because I am me, not them...
Well, even if it does get banned, I don't see it disappearing off of the streets now...

You will understand after you experience it.

My advise to all the boys and girls out there would be: "Stay high, by natural means (wink,wink)

 

[Virus0015]

Any drug kills people when it falls into the wrong (stupid) hands. It wouldn't have made a news story if it had been alcohol related, I don't see why this is more worthy.

 

[Katherine Kerensky]

-snip-
You will understand after you experience it.

No, I shan't understand why. If I want to die, there are more useful ways I can do so.
If I want to damage this shell, there are more useful ways for me to do so.
I shan't understand, because I shall never be sticking these substances into this shell.
Only needles that touch me are the ones for blood-doning...
[small]Sorry if this comes across as a bit pissy towards you, but I am exiting rage-mode... not a very good excuse, but I hope you will understand... Sorry again.[/small]

 

[AWAR]

-snip-
You will understand after you experience it.

No, I shan't understand why. If I want to die, there are more useful ways I can do so.
If I want to damage this shell, there are more useful ways for me to do so.
I shan't understand, because I shall never be sticking these substances into this shell.
Only needles that touch me are the ones for blood-doning...
[small]Sorry if this comes across as a bit pissy towards you, but I am exiting rage-mode... not a very good excuse, but I hope you will understand... Sorry again.[/small]

Whatever, you have never been in the right situation at the right moment. I was like you until I found out how pointless is everything in this world (oooh touchy statement)
I do not wish to die, just experience life a bit differently than how it is "served" to us now.

"What doesnt kill you makes you stronger"

 

[Katherine Kerensky]

-snip-
Whatever, you have never been in the right situation at the right moment. I was like you until I found out how pointless is everything in this world (oooh touchy statement)
I do not wish to die, just experience life a bit differently than how it is "served" to us now.

Hehehe, oh, life is quite pointless. So few people realise just how pointless. Some remove themselves when they realise. But others are smart enough to make the most of it in their own way, such as you seek to get the some good personal experiences.
I, however, took a different path, and chose to help as many other people as I could, no matter the cost to myself.
Good luck in finding those things to enjoy in life

 

[AWAR]

-snip-
Whatever, you have never been in the right situation at the right moment. I was like you until I found out how pointless is everything in this world (oooh touchy statement)
I do not wish to die, just experience life a bit differently than how it is "served" to us now.

Hehehe, oh, life is quite pointless. So few people realise just how pointless. Some remove themselves when they realise. But others are smart enough to make the most of it in their own way, such as you seek to get the some good personal experiences.
I, however, took a different path, and chose to help as many other people as I could, no matter the cost to myself.
Good luck in finding those things to enjoy in life

Perfect. Just label me as a low life prick who has no interest in life whatsoever..
I have no interest in life in the form of what it is served to us now, not life in general.
Go on and make the most out of your limited life. I'm just hoping you will never get the same feeling of realisation as I did. Half-life-heh-. Maybe then you will realise that you are the one who takes drugs.
Being a little bit more open minded doesnt hurt too.