Teen faces expulsion after brining stun-gun to school to fend off bullies

[idarkphoenixi]

She was dumb to give the kid a weapon, though for self defense purposes weapons are great, especially guns. BUT NOT AT SCHOOLS, what I mean is, a weapon is acceptable in life or death scenarios, this guy was not in one of those scenarios.

The school may not have done its job, but the parent pretty much caused mutiny. Weapons are not allowed in schools, period.

She should have taught him martial arts, much more legal.

Martial Arts is highly restricted to the users physical abilities. He might not have the physicality, or even the time needed (it takes years to become adept at a certain style). I learned karate but not because of bullying problems. It was more as a prevention for any bullying that might occur later on.

OT: He was in trouble and it was clear nobody would help, they tried to appeal to the school and they didn't care. We have seen plenty incidents of bullying either resulting in killing it's victims, or in the victims killing themselves.
To me, a stun gun makes all the sense in the world since it is purely a tool for personal defence. As the poster stated, this is not a taser and it cannot be used on someone even just a few feet away. If the bullies leave him alone then they wont be shocked, simple as.

 

[ElPatron]

I find it so funny that in a number of threads I have been apart of on this site have been about how guns, when Americans think it is ok to use one and that they would kill anybody who threatens them or intrudes in there house.

I am okay with that and I am European. I have friends who used firearms to save their lives and were treated like criminals by the police even though the actual intruders were unscratched.

Yet plain as day I can pick out every American person in this thread 'cos they all say basically this "She was dumb to give the kid a weapon, though for self defense purposes weapons are great, especially guns. BUT NOT AT SCHOOLS, what I mean is, a weapon is acceptable in life or death scenarios, this guy was not in one of those scenarios.

I defend concealed carry in schools by properly trained teachers. But kids can't have guns, because they are under 18.

Concealed carry on universities? It's already happening.

I just find it so back-ass-wards that adults can use lethal force to protect themselves but a kid can't use a stun gun to threaten his attackers? Come on, say an adult was surrounded by 6 men and he killed 2 and injured a third ... how many Americans would say "he was wrong to shoot at any of them?".

It's nice to be consistent sometimes ...

You know what happens when kids think like that? They buy an airsoft pistol, spray paint it black (or buy one without a orange tip, but those are usually GBBs and they are expensive), threaten the bully, then a cop sees a kid pointing a gun at other kids.

Guess what happens? The kid is filled with bullet holes and airsofters might face restrictions because of a stupid kid.

Him using a stun gun might have had a negative impact on the legality of stun guns.

Plus, if the situation does not require you to kill someone, you don't use weapons. Therefore, using a less-than-lethal weapon is a retarded idea anyway - it makes you look like you just want to cause pain and not defend yourself. Specially if the shock actually causes a cardiac arrest and you are charged with murder because of the implications of "malicious intent".

 

[Chairman Miaow]

It's all fun and games until someone gets shocked into cardiac arrest.

Back in my day, when we had to deal with bullies, we performed a musical number that showed the bullies why they wrong to do such nasty things. They would then join in with our song, proclaiming their lives changed.

The more you know.

Well, back in my day, we didn't have musical numbers, so we had to make do with a comic chase scene in black and white to amusing live piano music.

 

[ElPatron]

OH IT IS! Seriously, if you were threatened of being "beat up" grow some balls and fight back!

He said it in a general way, so I assume it applies to everything.

Excuse me for being a coward, but if you threaten my life or my family by entering my house, you bet I'll reach for a weapon.

Police officers must be complete cowards because they carry service weapons all the time.

Good lord, it wasn't this hard back in '99 and now people cry if pushed even a little. All of Wolverine's ideas should work just fine. I still stand by my theory of "Stop being a little pussy and fight back... you little pussy."

No they don't.

Read his posts again. He was suggesting that a "cross dressing" kid should tone down his "dresses".

No. That isn't an option. Talking? Not an option.

I do remember 1999. Schools were (and still are) filled with confrontational kids that don't give a shit about school so that parents can get my taxpayer's money for doing nothing.

Those kids also have big families and lots of friends who will wait for you after school with weapons. I am not fucking kidding.

 

[JohnDoey]

He should be expelled and so should the kids who ganged up on him, he brought a weapon and they almost brutally beat him both parties are wrong so everyone involved should be expelled and the schools handling of bullying looked over.

 

[Chairman Miaow]

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Oh look, somebody who has clearly never dealt with bullies. A friend of mine stood up to bullies once. When he left the school the next day they were waiting for him in the car park and smashed his face through somebodies wing mirror, breaking his nose, and then proceeded to beat on him for a while. Teachers, rather than helping, confiscated the phones of anybody who tried to call the police so they wouldn't have a scandal. This guy wasn't some "pussy" he was a practiced brawler and one of the strongest people I knew. Bullies don't fight fair. If you try to fight them fairly, you will get hurt or worse.

 

[omega 616]

Plus, if the situation does not require you to kill someone, you don't use weapons. Therefore, using a less-than-lethal weapon is a retarded idea anyway - it makes you look like you just want to cause pain and not defend yourself. Specially if the shock actually causes a cardiac arrest and you are charged with murder because of the implications of "malicious intent".

Again, this just makes me laugh "only use lethal weapons ... don't use ones non lethal ones, even though they could still kill".

Make up your mind!

This whole thread is a joke to me, only use weapons to kill people and only if you are an adult otherwise your fucked! You can't scare people and you definitely can't do anything if you are under 18!

If you are under 18 just let the shit be kicked out of you.

 

[Major_Tom]

Oh, no! A boy brought a non-lethal self-defense weapon to school and didn't even use it. We should ban everything and put everyone in jail.

 

[ElPatron]

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It's not a matter of making up my mind.

Imagine I take a shotgun shell. I replace the shot with a beanbag. I have to use it for self-defense. Imagine the guy is closer than I expected and the bean-bag just penetrates him.

I just handcrafted a round to inflict pain that killed someone. How is that going to look in court.

By the way, I defend that pepper-spray could be carried by minors if they have a license.

 

[Seydaman]

The kid was being threatened by 6 people and a 6 on 1 beating is absolutely a life threatening situation. The school wasn't doing anything to protect him for this sort of thing so what else was he supposed to do?
If you have a better solution I'd honestly love to hear it, but I don't see any other options this kid had

You call THE POLICE. It's their job. The school can deal with small stuff, but threatening a physical attack is a crime.

There is also self defense training, deescaelation training, walking with friends, standing down bullies (most will back off if pushed), switching schools, and MANY other solutions.

In addition to the kid being charged in this case, I'm rather disappointed the mother wasn't charged as well. At the very least child services needs to review her custody, she doesn't appear to be a fit parent. I wonder where the dad is in all this, oh wait, I can probably guess.

I dealt with bullies as kids, a stun gun is not the answer. There are plenty of answers, that isn't one of them.

Wot. Facing down bullies never worked for me, they just laughed and literally threw me to the ground.

If he's facing bullies I doubt he has many friends, if any. In regards to switching schools, hah, it is an absolute hassle to switch schools. Unless his mother wants to pay out of pocket (Which is 40-60k a year) then he has to get school approval to transfer to any special schools, which can take weeks.

I don't think bringing a stun gun was the best way to deal with this, but given the situation, I would never punish him.

This all reminds me of a movie trailer I saw, Bully I thnk it was.

 

[Seydaman]

Jesus christ, she thought giving him a weapon was a more appropriate response than, I don't know, sending him to a different school?

Edit: Also, this is why school uniforms should be compulsory.

firstly,. American schools ONLY transfer you at predetermined times.

At the end of first semester.
At the end of second semester.

That is the ONLY time you have to leave. You CANNOT leave mid semester because NO SCHOOL will accept you by law. You will be out of school for MONTHS.

By the time American law allows him to leave, he would have been beaten countless times. The main reason why transfers are so hard in the American education system is because school curriculums are all over the place, and constant transfers can screw your education. Especially since school standards differ. Its worst in high schools, where some specialty highschools literally fuck over your chances of transfering after the 2nd year and still being able to graduate.

Worst case scenario, he is out of school for 6-12 months due to the time-based American system.

Indeed, I am in this situation right now, I was hospitalized for depression back in December, which was thankfully at the end of the first semester, and was able to get credit for it. But even then, after having been accepted to a therapeutic school, I am waiting until August to start.

To reiterate, I've been out of school since December. I'm a sophomore. (2nd year).

 

[omega 616]

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It's not a matter of making up my mind.

Imagine I take a shotgun shell. I replace the shot with a beanbag. I have to use it for self-defense. Imagine the guy is closer than I expected and the bean-bag just penetrates him.

I just handcrafted a round to inflict pain that killed someone. How is that going to look in court.

By the way, I defend that pepper-spray could be carried by minors if they have a license.

Like you tried to solve a situation without killing a person but things still went wrong and you killed him.

It's not like you accidently stuck nails under his finger nails or you accidently strapped him to the sharp end of a bamboo shoot.

 

[Thaluikhain]

Bringing a weapon to school is obviously a bad idea.

Fortunately, there are plenty of other options someone in that position has.

Unfortunately none of them will actually work, but, um...don't be gay? Yeah, problem solved, I'll go back to ignoring it now.

 

[Loonyyy]

The kid was being threatened by 6 people and a 6 on 1 beating is absolutely a life threatening situation. The school wasn't doing anything to protect him for this sort of thing so what else was he supposed to do?
If you have a better solution I'd honestly love to hear it, but I don't see any other options this kid had

You call THE POLICE. It's their job. The school can deal with small stuff, but threatening a physical attack is a crime.

There is also self defense training, deescaelation training, walking with friends, standing down bullies (most will back off if pushed), switching schools, and MANY other solutions.

In addition to the kid being charged in this case, I'm rather disappointed the mother wasn't charged as well. At the very least child services needs to review her custody, she doesn't appear to be a fit parent. I wonder where the dad is in all this, oh wait, I can probably guess.

I dealt with bullies as kids, a stun gun is not the answer. There are plenty of answers, that isn't one of them.

Call the Police as it's their job? It's also the job of a stun gun.

Self defense training? That requires time, effort, and significant portion of money. And the result of using that is far worse than taser burn. Deescelation training? I'd like to see the success rate of that. Walking with friends? There's no gaurantee that he had friends, or was able to be with them all the time. And he'd need to walk with more than 6 people. Standing down bullies? What do you think he was doing? He simply did it with a non-lethal self defense weapon rather than physical force. Switching schools is inane. He should be punished? And what's to say it can't happen again.

Assumptions about the father are libellous and simply irrelevant. Personally, I'd say the mother is better than someone who would suggest he fight them (Self defense), or force him to move schools.

I dealt with bullies as a kid. Martial arts is not the answer. Neither is trying to talk your way out. If I had a stun gun, would I have used it? Yeah. In fact, if I had any gun, or a knife, I'd have used it. I'd had my self defense training. One of the guys that beat on me? He was in the same fucking class, and had been there far longer. I told him not too, I tried all the little techniques. In the end, I almost kicked him in the face. That got me a days respite. I changed schools. It didn't really help- I've a personality that kids liked to victimise.

I've also had a situation where I was attacked by multiple people. If you honestly believe some John Woo rubbish, and think you can defend yourself against 6 people, I'd say you're deluded. The moment I felt the situation, I struck back. I was able to throw one punch which barely grazed one of them, before I was pinned by multiple people. Now, I don't know about you, but I can't bench 4 times my weight now, let alone when I was in high school.

Civilian Stun Guns are MADE for incapacitating people in situations EXACTLY like this, and are made to reduce the need to be physcically capable of overwhelming multiple opponents, and unlike a weapon like a knife or a gun, can't kill your aggressor easily, even should they deserve it, and can't do serious harm if turned on you.

The real problem is that schools don't treat these things like assault cases. This "Kids will fight/be bullied" attitude, one you share, is POISON. Being assaulted is not acceptable, whether normal or not. You are legally entitled a right to self defense. Why is it that schoolchildren are not?

 

[manic_depressive13]

Jesus christ, she thought giving him a weapon was a more appropriate response than, I don't know, sending him to a different school?

Edit: Also, this is why school uniforms should be compulsory.

firstly,. American schools ONLY transfer you at predetermined times.

At the end of first semester.
At the end of second semester.

That is the ONLY time you have to leave. You CANNOT leave mid semester because NO SCHOOL will accept you by law. You will be out of school for MONTHS.

By the time American law allows him to leave, he would have been beaten countless times. The main reason why transfers are so hard in the American education system is because school curriculums are all over the place, and constant transfers can screw your education. Especially since school standards differ. Its worst in high schools, where some specialty highschools literally fuck over your chances of transfering after the 2nd year and still being able to graduate.

Worst case scenario, he is out of school for 6-12 months due to the time-based American system.

Getting expelled for carrying a weapon to school will also result in him being out of school for months. Surely pulling him out would be preferable to encouraging him to use a potentially lethal weapon on his bullies.