Eh, I admire the kid. He pointed it into the air to scare them off, he didn't charge them or wait so he could hit them with the stun gun, he just used it to scare them off.
Teen faces expulsion after brining stun-gun to school to fend off bullies
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They were not supposed to. The part with "toning down" really rustled my jimmies.Wolverine18 said:
What you are doing is victim blaming. "Do you know why you got raped, hun? Because you were wearing skirt. You shouldn't have worn a skirt, love."
Fixed that for you. It is self-defense if you are under the threat of bodily harm.Wolverine18 said:
Excuse me for being a coward, but if an intruder is endangering my family's life I am not going to check for weapons - I will check his vitals after sending 1 ounce of lead at over 1500 feet per second.
Not at all. I would have loved that but both are illegal to carry in Canada, or at least the region I live in, it would have saved me a butt load of trouble and bad memories. As for murders, there have been a little over half a dozen murders in my city since the first incident occurred seven years ago to today. Only 2 out of a suspected 4-5 murderers overall have been found, our police force does not encounter this very often and when they do they are very incompetent at it and must rely on external assistance from Regina or Saskatoon.samaugsch said:
The guy didn't do anything wrong, the bullies should be kicked out of school for being useless pieces of shit and be prevented from entering higher education. The guy should just be talked to about the stun gun thing, after the bullies had been removed he can leave it at home.
This was America. The kid brought a stun gun, and not his granddad shotgun, please keep that in mind.
Now, if he hadn't done it, in what situation would he be ? The same as before, with the bullies eventually killing him or turning him into the kind of guys you hear about on the news, after they shoot down half their class, with an actual gun this time.
To all those who say "use your head" or "one of the bullies could have had a heart attack" : there was six of them. It means talking them out of it is impossible, as every ounce of stupidity in them is reinforced by the others. It means the kid could have gotten killed by a nasty blow. It means no one in the school actually gave a fuck about someone fighting while outnubered six to one.
These bullies surrendered their right to not be hurt/tasered the minute they decided to gang up on a isolated target : they took what looked like the easiest prey, and it usually is. If it turns out it isn't, and one of their hearts stops, that's on them.
Sorry if I sound a bit harsh, but I've been there, and not on the nice side of the volley of kicks and punches. If no one else will defend you, you have a right to. Simple self defense. Now, I don't say violence is the ONLY option, mind you. Once I understood things weren't going to solve themselves, I simply used my sharp tongue and sharper ear to get myself out of harm's way. But THAT wasn't during one of the attacks. That's something you work on while things aren't physical.
Bottomline : yes, there are other ways to deal with it early on. Whan you have six guys around you and no help in sight, however, everything goes.
Now, if he hadn't done it, in what situation would he be ? The same as before, with the bullies eventually killing him or turning him into the kind of guys you hear about on the news, after they shoot down half their class, with an actual gun this time.
To all those who say "use your head" or "one of the bullies could have had a heart attack" : there was six of them. It means talking them out of it is impossible, as every ounce of stupidity in them is reinforced by the others. It means the kid could have gotten killed by a nasty blow. It means no one in the school actually gave a fuck about someone fighting while outnubered six to one.
These bullies surrendered their right to not be hurt/tasered the minute they decided to gang up on a isolated target : they took what looked like the easiest prey, and it usually is. If it turns out it isn't, and one of their hearts stops, that's on them.
Sorry if I sound a bit harsh, but I've been there, and not on the nice side of the volley of kicks and punches. If no one else will defend you, you have a right to. Simple self defense. Now, I don't say violence is the ONLY option, mind you. Once I understood things weren't going to solve themselves, I simply used my sharp tongue and sharper ear to get myself out of harm's way. But THAT wasn't during one of the attacks. That's something you work on while things aren't physical.
Bottomline : yes, there are other ways to deal with it early on. Whan you have six guys around you and no help in sight, however, everything goes.
So they're threatening to expel the kid that was scared with his life and constantly being threatened.
And they aren't expelling the six fucks that put him through hell?
The school board and administrators can fuck themselves in whatever way pleases them the least.
And they aren't expelling the six fucks that put him through hell?
The school board and administrators can fuck themselves in whatever way pleases them the least.
Yes, the kid who brought a stun gun to school and only used it for intimidation broke a law, and since threatening physical assault isn't a crime so long as it's on school premises, the six bullies who had surrounded him and almost beat him up are law-abiding citizens. I think we're well past the point where its illegality means he shouldn't have done it. When you're dealing with nasty bullies, the best solution is usually to take it up with the people in charge, but when they just don't care, your options are pretty limited.Wolverine18 said:
Talking his way out of the situation would certainly have been a better solution if he was able to pull it off, but bullies aren't the most rational and diplomatic guys at a high school, and when there are that many of them to encourage each other there's a good chance that nothing he said could have saved him. So far as I can tell, his only legal route for dealing with the situation would have been just leaving the school, but being a gay (crossdressing?) teenager he may well have faced more bullying at whatever other school he went to. Besides, once you've exhausted all your other legal options and you have to actually leave a school, it's pretty clear that there's been some sort of oversight.
I can see why assault and the like aren't considered matters for the police in a high school environment, but if not them, then the people who do have authority over them have an obligation to take this stuff seriously. The school was made aware that these kids were doing with something that would be considered a crime in any other context, and they didn't help the situation at all. If this happened outside a school, would you still think he was in the wrong? The only difference is a few nonsensical laws and negligent school officials.
It was a stun gun. Yes, it would have been pretty useless if he tried to use it in a fight, but he was smart enough to just scare them with it, and they were dumb enough not to realize that they could take him anyway. It worked. Really not the issue here, though. Besides, it was six against one, the one having a nonlethal weapon that you pointed out still couldn't have taken down all six of them, and he "endangered himself and others" because of the stun gun? What about the six kids who picked a fight with him?CriticKitten said:
In my opinion, any solution to this that involves "just taking the beating" isn't much of a solution at all. He and his mother took it up with the school, which neglected to do anything about it, aside from stating the obvious ("Well, they probably wouldn't bully you so much if you didn't dress like a girl!"). Taking it up with the police wouldn't have mattered; as others in this thread have pointed out, physical assault and threats of it are handled by school authorities, not the police, only in this case they didn't handle it at all, despite knowing what was going on. All he did was defend himself from bodily harm, successfully, with a weapon.
I don't think it should matter if it happened at a school or some other public place; if certain crimes that take place at schools are handled by the schools rather than police, fine, but that means the schools need to actually enforce their rules about such things. They're judges, juries, and executioners, at least when it comes to their students at their schools, and if they're really this inept--or if they're discriminating due to his sexual orientation and crossdressing--it really needs to be taken seriously. They can't ignore the bullying up to this point but turn around and expel a kid just because he used a nonlethal weapon, especially after they've already blamed the kid for the bullying by telling him it was because of how he dressed.
Just wanted to put this here, since a lot of the discussion seems to be about the danger of the stun gun killing one or more of the assailants:
"From 1999 to 2003, Tasers were used by police forces across the continent. In 70 deaths related to Taser use, it was never shown conclusively that the Taser was the cause of death. A large number of these deaths were investigated and autopsied and no blame laid on Tasers. Many of these heart attack victims were severely intoxicated, with an already increased heart rate due to alcohol or hard drugs like cocaine. In many cases, Tasers were used to disable individuals, where otherwise far more damaging firearms would have been used."
"A 1999 study concluded that weapons with a charge weaker than Tasers increased the risk of cardiac malfunction in people with heart conditions. However, according to the company, 100,000 police officers have volunteered to "demonstrate" by taking hits from Taser weapons - with no deaths."
Taken from the website http://www.yoursecurityguide.com/
"From 1999 to 2003, Tasers were used by police forces across the continent. In 70 deaths related to Taser use, it was never shown conclusively that the Taser was the cause of death. A large number of these deaths were investigated and autopsied and no blame laid on Tasers. Many of these heart attack victims were severely intoxicated, with an already increased heart rate due to alcohol or hard drugs like cocaine. In many cases, Tasers were used to disable individuals, where otherwise far more damaging firearms would have been used."
"A 1999 study concluded that weapons with a charge weaker than Tasers increased the risk of cardiac malfunction in people with heart conditions. However, according to the company, 100,000 police officers have volunteered to "demonstrate" by taking hits from Taser weapons - with no deaths."
Taken from the website http://www.yoursecurityguide.com/
While I'm not sure a stun gun was the best route I'm not going to criticise the mother of the child or the child himself without knowing all the circumstances. I had a friend who was bullied all through high school for being bisexual. The teachers didn't lift a finger to help her. She got depressed, started self harming and even attempted suicide. The thing that generally causes depression is a feeling of lack of control. Sure the kid's life wasn't directly under threat from the bullies but there is a chance that making his bullies run for once gave him the sense of control he needed to bring him out of it and could have saved his life anyway.
Like I said, I don't know all the facts. I'm making assumptions in saying this, but it is worth considering.
Like I said, I don't know all the facts. I'm making assumptions in saying this, but it is worth considering.
Well fuck, what did he expected? "Wearing female apparel" So he's basically a cross dresser, complaining about being bullied by kids? Seriously, do people have no common sense... I get funny looks for having a few piercings, and I'm out of school now, I'm pretty sure I'd get some insults thrown at me if I started walking around in my "female apparel" too. Sure, it shouldn't happen, but we're still quite a way behind accepting people dressing like that, wait until they fully learn to accept homosexuality first kid.
Not wishing to be unsympathetic here, but it doesn't say that the kid has ever actually had anyone be physically violent towards him. Sending your child into school with a weapon because other kids are verbally harassing him seems like an over-reaction.
If you fear for your child's life at school, then move them to a different school. By arming them, you do nothing but escalate the situation.
If you fear for your child's life at school, then move them to a different school. By arming them, you do nothing but escalate the situation.