Teen Hoodlums Bashing people

[heyheysg]

Thats why you should have guns!

But then the teens would also have guns...hmmm

Wait! Then you should have body armor and bigger guns!

But then they would also get the same loot...hmmm

What if only the cops had guns? Then you could put all your stats into running and dialing a phone.

 

[SonicWaffle]

I was pleasantly surprised to see a video on youtube about this, and hoodies, and image, was from a young volunteer at the RNLI, he regularly goes out on lifeboats to rescue people in trouble at sea, and as he says, he wears a hoodie, and he likes it, and it's his choice, but of course , no-one wants to hear that good people can be young and wear certain clothes.

Part of the problem is every day there's headlines saying 'feral youths prowl your streets' and 'hoodies beat up gran for 10 pence' (which obviously they don't, they do it for 'fun' not spare change. There's no newspaper sales in good news, that's just a sad fact.

Far easier to inspire a culture of fear and misery by telling the nation we're all 'going to hell in a handcart' as one fuckwit columnist likes to put it, than state that we're all far better off that we were 20,50,100 years ago, but a minority of bad people do bad things.

Btw, that's the definition of news, if hundreds of people were getting shot in the street on a daily basis, it wouldn't BE news any more, just a normal part of life, every time you read a horrifying story in the papers, remember it's a one off.

I say all that, but I still can't stand chavs, they radiate a hostility, as if they need to show how hard they are, which you just don't get from emos, skaters, goths, punks, or any other clique of teenagers. I'm know I'm being hypocritical, but I just think why dress like a violent subnormal cretin if you don't want to be seen as one. I just feel the chav culture attracts the bad ones far more than any other.

I've read various theories about this. One is that we still hold on to traditional definitions of masculinity - men are strong, men are tough, men get in fights and we win, dammit! - in a society where we no longer need those things. Unlike a few centuries ago, we will never need to defend our homes from rampaging vikings or invading armies. Since we pump these ideas at kids (video games, much as I hate to say it, are partly to blame here. Although so are comics, action movies, etc) but they have no legitimate outlet for them, they try to find ways to make themselves feel tough.

Natural human instinct is to become part of a group/pack/herd, whatever you want to call it, and the chav culture is exactly that. Teenagers are generally pretty insecure when you get them alone, so they band together into tribes with shared musical tastes, fashions, etc. Its just a way to feel like part of the group. I don't know why chav culture is more violent than most, but likely much of the hostility they radiate is inspired by peer pressure, the desire to be seen as manly and tough.

I figure karma is going to get all these douchebags when they end up being prison bitches in a few years' time, while their current victims go on to be rich and successful and have sexy partners (and one day end up being the doctors or lawyers who show up when the douchebag really ends up in the shit). I love karma.

Funny you should say that, not to long ago a bunch of said hooligans jumped a car full of Indian students, it turned out the Indian students were attending a wrestling competition or something. So you can imagine what happened.

There was a case here in the UK a few weeks ago where a couple of lads were drunkenly pissing about in the street and saw a pair of transvestites walking past them. In their pissed-up state (and the fact they were idiots) they decided to pick a fight with these poor blokes. Who turned out to be not transvestites, but professional cage fighters on their way to a stag party. I'm sure you can guess what happened next.

Sometimes justice is hilarious :-D

 

[UltraParanoia]

. But maybe that'd just make it worse.

Nope, that's part of what caused this shit, no fear of repercussion.When you get your ass kicked doing something you know you shouldn't chances are good you're gonna stop.And if not, you'll just keep getting the shit kicked out of you.

I'm only 23, I can't think of more than two or three people I went to high school with who would do crap like that, so I don't understand the people who act like this is some kind of longstanding problem.

 

[JoshFTL]

In England, you would be suprised at how many of these people there are, its almost like an epidemic especially if you live in a council estate area, then it gets dangerous to walk around after certain times and in certain places. In my opinion, the Government should just re-instate National Service, or increase the policing on the street tenfold, and give the police more rights to pacify agrresive groups of people and not just give them little fucking tickets telling them that they've been naughty.

 

[UltraParanoia]

I've read various theories about this. One is that we still hold on to traditional definitions of masculinity - men are strong, men are tough, men get in fights and we win, dammit! - in a society where we no longer need those things.

I'm inclined to believe that it's the vilification of the traditional definitions of masculinity that has lead to this. The fact is, stuff like this has been getting worse ever since people starting treating masculinity like a joke.

It's a simple fact that young males are naturally aggressive and energetic, yet schools, parents, and governments try to squash those natural tendencies with medication or telling them that what they are doing is wrong, instead of pushing the drive and energy into a useful direction.


Quite frankly, I'd reckon the increase in violence in the chirren and things like sexual confusion stems from this nonconfrontational, gender neutral crap that society has been selling for the last few years or so.

 

[Kuhly]

Guys Guys, this stuff has been going on since the dawn of time. It's just that we haven't had a really big war like World War 1 which killed of an entire generation to get rid of people like this. Face it as the worlds population gets bigger the amount of idiots tends to increase.

 

[SprtnKingII]

In England, you would be suprised at how many of these people there are, its almost like an epidemic especially if you live in a council estate area, then it gets dangerous to walk around after certain times and in certain places. In my opinion, the Government should just re-instate National Service, or increase the policing on the street tenfold, and give the police more rights to pacify agrresive groups of people and not just give them little fucking tickets telling them that they've been naughty.

Nat service would not be ideal, the British Army is known as one of the finest in the world because it is a career choice. Although perhaps something along similar lines should be done e.g. Obligitory community service!

OP: As much as those kids are idiots the underlying problem is that Governments for countries like Aus and the UK don't provide resources for young people to keep out of trouble. For example clubs they can be involved in, spaces that they can meet friends, apprentice jobs in which they can skill themselves up.

These same governments don't provide steady jobs for [the idiot's] parents, they become disheartened with the system and their kids grow up with the same feeling, skip out school and remain uneducated.

If it pisses you off the best thing you can do is to get into government and change things. Honestly.

On a lighter note, there is a tube vid where two guys happy slap (the name for random assault by chavs in the UK) the girl out of a couple walking through a park. They properly smack her in the face. Turns out for them though that the guy must be some kind of proffessional boxer and lays into both guys until they are down on the ground groaning. Great vid.

 

[JoshFTL]

In England, you would be suprised at how many of these people there are, its almost like an epidemic especially if you live in a council estate area, then it gets dangerous to walk around after certain times and in certain places. In my opinion, the Government should just re-instate National Service, or increase the policing on the street tenfold, and give the police more rights to pacify agrresive groups of people and not just give them little fucking tickets telling them that they've been naughty.

Nat service would not be ideal, the British Army is known as one of the finest in the world because it is a career choice. Although perhaps something along similar lines should be done e.g. Obligitory community service!

OP: As much as those kids are idiots the underlying problem is that Governments for countries like Aus and the UK don't provide resources for young people to keep out of trouble. For example clubs they can be involved in, spaces that they can meet friends, apprentice jobs in which they can skill themselves up.

These same governments don't provide steady jobs for [the idiot's] parents, they become disheartened with the system and their kids grow up with the same feeling, skip out school and remain uneducated.

If it pisses you off the best thing you can do is to get into government and change things. Honestly.

On a lighter note, there is a tube vid where two guys happy slap (the name for random assault by chavs in the UK) the girl out of a couple walking through a park. They properly smack her in the face. Turns out for them though that the guy must be some kind of proffessional boxer and lays into both guys until they are down on the ground groaning. Great vid.

Oh I remember that video, he needs some sort of award really. I can also see now that National Service would be not the best option for these teenagers, maybe just some form of millitary discipline camp, to show them that they are not the invincible bad-boy gangsters that they strive to be.

 

[Nomad]

This isn't beating up your child, it's punishing them at a small age with a smack on the bum or hand, obviously much further is child abuse.

Violence is always violence. Just like it wouldn't be acceptable to smack your wife, coworker, bartender or anyone else for doing something you don't like, it isn't acceptable to hit your child. Violence is never okay, regardless of magnitude or victim. The only possible variation is that hitting a child is inherently worse because the child stands defenseless.

By saying "I'm just going to beat my child a little", you're not only condoning violence, you're also making it every man's personal call on what constitutes "a small beating" and abuse. Where do you propose you set that limit for what magnitude of abuse is permittable and what magnitude isn't? How do you propose you measure the amount of force in each hit? How do you make a moral justification for using physical violence to hurt not only another human being, but a child?

 

[SonicWaffle]

I've read various theories about this. One is that we still hold on to traditional definitions of masculinity - men are strong, men are tough, men get in fights and we win, dammit! - in a society where we no longer need those things.

I'm inclined to believe that it's the vilification of the traditional definitions of masculinity that has lead to this. The fact is, stuff like this has been getting worse ever since people starting treating masculinity like a joke.

It's a simple fact that young males are naturally aggressive and energetic, yet schools, parents, and governments try to squash those natural tendencies with medication or telling them that what they are doing is wrong, instead of pushing the drive and energy into a useful direction.

What would you call "traditional" masculinity, out of interest? Being a big, strong man who never reveals any hint of emotion, can drink 50 pints a night and still get up at dawn to work a full day down t'pit, and eats broken glass and barbed wire for breakfast? Different people have different concepts of masculinity, and feminity for that matter.

I agree that teens are naturally aggressive - not just males, as females can be even worse, though they generally unleash it in less physical ways. How would people channel these energies into something productive, though? The teachers don't have the time due to ridiculous class sizes, and these days we don't teach kids anything useful; we just teach them how to pass exams. Its natural for them to be bored and resentful, which in turn leads to anger.

Quite frankly, I'd reckon the increase in violence in the chirren and things like sexual confusion stems from this nonconfrontational, gender neutral crap that society has been selling for the last few years or so.

I think sexual confusion is entirely natural at that age, especially in a society that overtly accepts homosexuality as normal behaviour, but many people within society disagree for whatever reason. These kids are often being told one thing ("Its ok to be gay!") and shown another ("Faggots are sick and unnatural!"), so a little confusion is to be expected. I don't, however, see any link between gender neutrality and an upsurge in teenage violence. Care to explain that one?

 

[SenseOfTumour]

Yeah, I vote we set up a Battle Royale in the UK, we've got enough little islands dotted around the coast that we could cordon off. Wouldn't have to be compulsory either, just advertise it in Heat and FHM, and offer a year's supply of Bacardi Breezers and White Lightning Cider to the winner.

You'd only get chavs entering , because only they would risk their lives to get drunk (as they do by looking for fights every saturday night anyways), and because they all think they're the hardest person in the world and would win.

Pay per view the event, and it pays for itself, if there's too many entrants, and there will be, make it monthly or weekly.

Heh, I didn't mean to turn this into a chav hate thread, but damn, they're the ONLY 'genre' of youth that has ever threatened me, or I've seen vandalising stuff, or even just swearing loudly on the bus ( I kid you not, some darling mother on the bus yelled 'Gary, stop being such a little ****!' to her kid, kid must have been about 5, I was expecting him to go 'fuck off mum' but it didn't happen). As anyone who's seen a few of my threads, I'm not anti swearing, but I have enough respect to not do it loudly in public places.

Emos might be annoyingly miserable, and skaters might bug you by trying to do a kickflip for the 800th time on the steps outside Burger King, but I've never had so much as an evil look from a non chav.