Tera vs. Guild Wars 2

[snekadid]

It's a curious defense is all.

Sure this game features pedophilia! But it also features OTHER THINGS! Like anthropomorphic raccoons! And fun combat!

Like, how much pedophilia is too much? How much spoils your game? 10% pedophilia? 20%?

It doesn't have pedophilia. The worst you see are shorts. That is a loooooong way from pedophilia.

It's just ignorance on your part. I'm trying to clear it up.

Maybe its ignorance on your part? I mean like Verzin said, their are videos with the little teeny girls in bikinis and I even think I saw a G-String. Besides, those aren't shorts, hell i wear shorts, what they are wearing are hot pants, so small and tight that it would be less sexual if they were naked XD. We're all aware that the Asiatic Nations have a different culture
with feelings of whats acceptable and such, but either way you can't deny the rampant fetishism of this game. Its like saying the mithra in FFXI weren't a race to attract fetishists.

 

[jehk]

Oh heavens no, you're right. There's nothing remotely discomfiting about that. I'm well accustomed to seeing short shorts on 8 year olds.

I can't see the image at work. Maybe some of the outfits are worse. Like I said, in game they have a pixie like quality and haven't been uncomfortable in the least.

 

[Scow2]

And? To says its nothing but that is dishonest.

It's a curious defense is all.

Sure this game features pedophilia! But it also features OTHER THINGS! Like anthropomorphic raccoons! And fun combat!

Like, how much pedophilia is too much? How much spoils your game? 10% pedophilia? 20%?

Except it's not paedophilia. Just because you see the scantily-clad little girls as sexy and ravishing instead of cute, innocent, and playful (Again, most children I've seen (And the one I was about a dozen or so years ago) have at least some aversion to clothing)

When's the last time you've seen a kitten wear clothing?

 

[jehk]

Maybe its ignorance on your part? I mean like Verzin said, their are videos with the little teeny girls in bikinis and I even think I saw a G-String. Besides, those aren't shorts, hell i wear shorts, what they are wearing are hot pants, so small and tight that it would be less sexual if they were naked XD. We're all aware that the Asiatic Nations have a different culture
with feelings of whats acceptable and such, but either way you can't deny the rampant fetishism of this game. Its like saying the mithra in FFXI weren't a race to attract fetishists.

I'm denying the extreme conclusions people are jumping to.

I know they patched some of the clothing to be more in line with western sensibilities. I have yet to see an Elin wearing anything hyper sexualized. The other races.. yeah. You got me there.

 

[BloatedGuppy]

Except it's not paedophilia. Just because you see the scantily-clad little girls as sexy and ravishing instead of cute, innocent, and playful (Again, most children I've seen (And the one I was about a dozen or so years ago) have at least some aversion to clothing)

When's the last time you've seen a kitten wear clothing?

If you find little girls in hot pants "cute and playful" more power to you I suppose. I would humbly entreat you not to dress your own children like that.

I know they patched some of the clothing to be more in line with western sensibilities. I have yet to see an Elin wearing anything hyper sexualized. The other races.. yeah. You got me there.

The screenshot you can't see shows how they patched the clothing. They went from a midriff-bearing teensy-bikini to a pair of ridiculously tiny skin tight short-shorts.

Apparently this is cute, innocent and "playful".

 

[jehk]

Apparently this is cute, innocent and "playful".

You tell me. You seem to understand pedo sensibilities better than I do.

In game they are the pixie / sprite race and I have yet to see anything that's made me uncomfortable. Maybe that's because I don't view them sexually. Even in hot pants.

 

[BloatedGuppy]

You tell me. You seem to understand pedo sensibilities better than I do.

In game they are the pixie / sprite race and I have yet to see anything that's made me uncomfortable. Maybe that's because I don't view them sexually. Even in hot pants.

So your argument is that disapproving of pedophilia is evidence of secret enthusiasm for pedophilia? Do I have that correct?

 

[Scow2]

You tell me. You seem to understand pedo sensibilities better than I do.

In game they are the pixie / sprite race and I have yet to see anything that's made me uncomfortable. Maybe that's because I don't view them sexually. Even in hot pants.

So your argument is that disapproving of pedophilia is evidence of secret enthusiasm for pedophilia? Do I have that correct?

No. His argument is seeing little girls as sexual is evidence of a secret enthusiasm for pedophilia.

 

[jehk]

So your argument is that disapproving of pedophilia is evidence of secret enthusiasm for pedophilia? Do I have that correct?

I've been to the beach where young girls wear swimming suits. I don't feel sexually inclined towards them but someone might. Does that mean they shouldn't be there? They should cover up? And how does that lead to pedophilia?

You keep ignoring that in game they aren't like this. The few that I've run across aren't hyper sexualized. The outfits they wear are nothing like what you describe. They have silly over the top animations even for this game. They are cute, wearing a massive jester hat with bells with disco era bell bottoms. Nothing sexual yet.

 

[BloatedGuppy]

No. His argument is seeing little girls as sexual is evidence of a secret enthusiasm for pedophilia.

So as the game places said little girls in sexual poses and sexual clothing, that's evidence that game is run by pedophilia enthusiasts?

 

[BloatedGuppy]

I've been to the beach where young girls wear swimming suits. I don't feel sexually inclined towards them but someone might. Does that mean they shouldn't be there? They should cover up? And how does that lead to pedophilia?

So what's your comfort level? If you found, say, actual child porn, would you shrug and say "As I don't find small children sexual, this doesn't worry me in the least. I enjoy looking at it because of the stirring landscapes in the background"?

 

[jehk]

So as the game places said little girls in sexual poses and sexual clothing, that's evidence that game is run by pedophilia enthusiasts?

Just because you find it sexual doesn't mean anyone else does.

Recap:

You: "ZOMG they are being sexualized."
Me: "I don't see it."

Maybe the hot pants picture you describe is pushing the line. I haven't seen anything like that in game. It's an exception and not a rule.

 

[BloatedGuppy]

Just because you find it sexual doesn't mean anyone else does. How do you not understand that point?

So your argument is now that I'm alone in finding it disturbing, when a simple Google search will easily confirm that I am not?

Seriously, this is ludicrous. How long are we going to play the "NO U PEDO" game for? Is this grade school now? Just acknowledge that the game has some creepy art assets and move along FFS.

 

[jehk]

Seriously, this is ludicrous. How long are we going to play the "NO U PEDO" game for? Is this grade school now? Just acknowledge that the game has some creepy art assets and move along FFS.

I don't find them creepy or sexual at all. I have no aversion or inclination to them. How do you not understand that yet? Why do you find them creepy or sexual? I'm not claiming anything about you here buy why? Some irrational gut reaction?

Now you're demanding that I agree with you. No sorry. I will not. Grade school indeed.

 

[Scow2]

I've been to the beach where young girls wear swimming suits. I don't feel sexually inclined towards them but someone might. Does that mean they shouldn't be there? They should cover up? And how does that lead to pedophilia?

So what's your comfort level? If you found, say, actual child porn, would you shrug and say "As I don't find small children sexual, this doesn't worry me in the least. I enjoy looking at it because of the stirring landscapes in the background"?

Actual child porn is offensive. But, if you found, say, little kids having fun by:
1.) The always-classic Skinny-dipping in the pool. OR 2.) Trying to fly on a kite [http://www.gocomics.com/calvinandhobbes/2008/06/15/], would you be offended?

 

[BloatedGuppy]

I don't find them creepy or sexual at all. I have no aversion or inclination to them. How do you not understand that yet? Why do you find them creepy or sexual? I'm not claiming anything about you here buy why? Some irrational gut reaction?

In the 4th post in this thread you claim you find them "offputting". That's quite an about face.

Ah yes, we're back to playing "No U Pedo". That's...fantastic. Even better, you went back to edit your post for that.

In the screen capture you conveniently cannot see, the pre pubescent girl in question is cocking her hip out while wearing a TINY bikini. So, we're back to "what's your comfort level". Presumably, unless you are ATTRACTED TO YOUNG CHILDREN, our comfort level should be "anything goes", if I'm following you and Scow correctly. Like, she could be in BDSM gear, and if that raised a red flag, it would be evidence of secret pedophilia.

The clothes in question are semi-pornographic, and thus the game seems squicky. I realize that, from your experience, MOST of the time they're well clothed, which is why I asked "How many incidences of them NOT being properly clothed is too many?".

You'll please note that I am NOT ACCUSING YOU OF BEING A PEDARIST BECAUSE YOU LIKE TERA. If you like the game, fill your boots. I just don't understand why anyone would defend those specific art assets, because they don't really merit a defense.

Actual child porn is offensive. But, if you found, say, little kids having fun by:
1.) The always-classic Skinny-dipping in the pool. OR 2.) Trying to fly on a kite [http://www.gocomics.com/calvinandhobbes/2008/06/15/], would you be offended?

Well it's a vibe, yeah? You can perhaps look at that Tera screenshot and tell me the artist was not trying to sexualize the subject. I think it's pretty evident the artist WAS trying to sexualize the subject, there's no real defense for the bikini OR those shorts. Not to the point where I think Bluehole Studio is full of child molesters, but to the point where the entire exercise leaves a bad taste in my mouth and I'd rather play something else.

 

[Scow2]

The clothes in question are semi-pornographic, and thus the game seems squicky. I realize that, from your experience, MOST of the time they're well clothed, which is why I asked "How many incidences of them NOT being properly clothed is too many?".

No, the clothes don't cover much, but I've never seen anything really like that outfit used in a pornographic context. I could write an entire review of that particular outfit and her pose, but can't be bothered right now.

Well it's a vibe, yeah? You can perhaps look at that Tera screenshot and tell me the artist was not trying to sexualize the subject. I think it's pretty evident the artist WAS trying to sexualize the subject, there's no real defense for the bikini OR those shorts. Not to the point where I think Bluehole Studio is full of child molesters, but to the point where the entire exercise leaves a bad taste in my mouth and I'd rather play something else.

No point of the bikini or shorts? You mean other than it does cover enough of them to not be completely indecent, while still allowing freedom of movement and exposure of the body to the "natural world" and sensations (Such as grass and wind against the body) the Elin love so much?

 

[jehk]

In the 4th post in this thread you claim you find them "offputting". That's quite an about face.

I have no desire to play an Elin. I'm put off not because I find them sexual but because I don't care for the pixie aesthetic. I prefer to play the big badass rock dude or the high elf female (now that's sexualization).

Ah yes, we're back to playing "No U Pedo". That's...fantastic. Even better, you went back to edit your post for that.

I'm not accusing you of being a pedo. I'm trying to understand why you feel the way you do. Do you not understand yet?

EDIT:

How many incidences of them NOT being properly clothed is too many?

I don't think they are improperly clothed. The worst I've seen is one wearing what looked like a tutu with short shorts. I find that ridiculous, even down right hilarious, especially when they are swinging a huge two handed axe like they are being lead around on a leash by a Saint Bernard.

 

[snekadid]

Your missing the point and trying to fake an argument with your personal taste which is a irreverent issue. The issue is "Are they sexualizing a childlike character?" which is yes, not because you or I find them attractive, but because if you put those same clothes on that high elf female you mentioned, it would have the effect of inducing excitement.

This is the same issue faced in child beauty pageants where they will wear things that are considered sexual on an adult and it causes problems, both in controversy and in the several cases where they are then molested because of the mental link between the attitude and visual appeal of the outfit.

The morality of the situation is vague at best, I personally feel that as long as it isn't real and/or doesn't actually hurt or affect anyone without their participation there is no harm or fault. The reason child pornography is wrong is because it requires harming a child to produce, but roleplaying a minor in pornography is not illegal.

But this has gone well past the point of off topic. Please take this to PMs or a different section of the forum to continue if you wish.How we went from which game you prefer to this so fast is startling.

 

[BloatedGuppy]

But this has gone well past the point of off topic. Please take this to PMs or a different section of the forum to continue if you wish.How we went from which game you prefer to this so fast is startling.

I take full responsibility. I carried on for at least 2-3 posts too long.