Tera vs. Guild Wars 2

[obstructor]

Well I have been playing Tera and, other than my first two pieces of armor, my character is no longer scantily clad. Secondly I hardly think the Elins are being over sexualized to look like prepubescent girls, they were even censored for western release.

I am not even sure I know what a prepubescent teen even looks like, half the time they are 18 already and half the time they are only 10, guess I am just bad at the age guessing game.

Also it is not exactly easy to zoom in far enough to actually care what players are wearing. But overall I find the combat fun if not really hard to solo things sometimes.

I enjoy the kill quests, I could do without changing areas every 3 quests though.

I do dislike how everything in your inventory seems to get cluttered really fast and profession mats are pretty darn worthless so far, for me at least.

I also don't really like that to use your interface you have to stop moving or be auto running or it all disappears.

I will probably pick up guild wars 2, because it could be great. But guild wars 1 was so terrible when I played it, at least from my point of view at the time, that it is weighing against it.

 

[nu1mlock]

The problem with GW2 is that cos there is no endgame as such, its just scaling your stats down and doing the leveling content again, I suspect you have to play it extremely casually to avoid the dynamic events feeling samey. And once you're bored of dynamic events, that's it, your done with the game cos there are only 7 dungeons in the entire game. (Explorable mode does not count as a separate dungeon.)

It still has a lot more going for it than TERA though cos even in Rift the traditional questing style was very boring, and TERA quests are reportedly even more inane and dull that that. The rift them selves were fun for a bit and GW2 DEs are a much more advanced version.

You're right, the dynamic events will probably get boring after a while, even though there are shitloads of them. Rift only had a few different appearing at random places throughout the world, GW2 has a LOT. But yeah, they will eventually get boring.

But there will be content updates of course.

I never actually got to play PvP in the first beta weekend, I focused on PvE and will mostly play PvP in the next one instead. Thought I'd give both a good chance instead of doing a little bit of both.

PvE was fun, felt good that it wasn't as much of a grind fest like other MMO's. Killing mobs doesn't give you as much experience as doing quests and story (way less actually) so it's basically not as much grinding as other games. Of course you get to kill a lot, you just don't have to grind between quests.

PvP sounds good as it's all about skill and not about how many times you've grinded the different dungeons and how lucky you've been with your loot. That's how competitive PvP should be - about skill, not about equipment.

I will probably pick up guild wars 2, because it could be great. But guild wars 1 was so terrible when I played it, at least from my point of view at the time, that it is weighing against it.

Guild Wars 2 is nothing like Guild Wars 1, except for some lore and the world itself (although quite different). You should not judge GW2 for what GW1 was (or is). I didn't enjoy GW1 that much either, but loved the beta of GW2.

 

[Lunar Templar]

nether really

Tera will require a sub

and i've no interest in GW2

though from what i've heard on both sides, I'd probably play Tera. since some on described the combat as "Vindictus in an open world", which is 'do want' far as I'm concerned.

as far as the 'pedo bait' every one keep harping on about. it's funny how people seems to think its the only race, or that's all any one will roll. it makes me giggle from how ignorant it is

 

[Agayek]

It still has a lot more going for it than TERA though cos even in Rift the traditional questing style was very boring, and TERA quests are reportedly even more inane and dull that that. The rift them selves were fun for a bit and GW2 DEs are a much more advanced version.

The biggest thing TERA has going for it is the combat. And I don't mean that in the "action combat!!!" sense that it seems a lot of people are talking about here.

Tera's combat is, quite literally, skill-based. You can solo anything in the game assuming you're good enough at the game (with some gear dependencies depending on your class). It's all just a matter of being able to continually block/avoid/dodge/etc enemy attacks long enough to do more damage than their health. If you're good at the game, you can solo group content, and that's not something I've ever seen before in an MMO.

Other than that, it's a very standard MMO though. The story is almost completely irrelevant, the quest progression is Korean through and through (get a quest to do something and head to the next quest hub, get there and get a quest to go right back to the hub you just finished with, etc), the quests themselves are all either escorts, kill X monsters, or find Y items, etc.

In my take though, all of that is okay though, because it's flat out fun to play. Especially soloing BAMs (the most common group content, stands for "Big Ass Monsters", think Elites in WoW) is incredibly fun, even if it does take upwards of 10 minutes.

 

[jehk]

My opinion on the matter (I know, you asked): The "loli" race is supposed to be a very non-sexual race, who are more like nature spirits (from what I hear). However, the reason why they make us uncomfortable with their appearance isn't just from the scantily clad outfits. In all aspects they appear to be child-like, except for one thing: hips. They've got the hips and thighs of a developed woman, which generates conflicting images. On one hand they look like children, on the other they have something potentially arousing about them. The clothing doesn't help. It's quite easy to see why a lot of people find it disturbing.

Thanks for an actual answer. I can kinda understand. I still wouldn't call their hips that of a developed women.

 

[nu1mlock]

though from what i've heard on both sides, I'd probably play Tera. since some on described the combat as "Vindictus in an open world", which is 'do want' far as I'm concerned.

I've played Vindictus quite and bit and no, Tera is not Vindictus in an open world. It's all other MMO's but you can dodge and block. And miss your attacks (because you aim at something else, like the ground or a tree). Other than that it's not like Vindictus.

You can't grab anything, you can't do cool combos, you can't use the environment to your advantage, you can't trap a polar bear with chains. The combat you know from Vindictus is not in Tera.

 

[jehk]

you can't do cool combos

What? My slayer does some pretty cool combos. How is Vindictus different?

 

[NathLines]

Tera has too many scantily clad prepubescent girls.

too many

Haha. No such thing.

OT: I would definitely recommend GW2 based on my knowledge. I played the latest beta. Though the gameplay is just your normal point 'n click MMO, it's the most polished of them. I did think it would be a bit more actiony. It would be SOOOOO much better if you could toggle so that you won't have to hold in the right mouse button to pan the camera. Still, it was just a beta.

Something that I didn't expect to enjoy so much was the story quests. Seriously, they really grew on me. My friend even said that that's probably where he got the most enjoyment out of the game. Other than, running around with random people and killing stuff together is great fun. I didn't try out the PvP, I was busy trying to get the know the different classes.

As for TERA, I really can't see how it can justify a subscription fee. Aside from the combat, it doesn't seem to offer anything that we haven't seen before.

Btw, just my take on all of this pedo bullcrap - If it has a distinctive artstyle, it isn't a problem. Now if games with realistic graphic styles features small girls in skimpy clothing, THEN we have a problem.

 

[nu1mlock]

you can't do cool combos

What? My slayer does some pretty cool combos. How is Vindictus different?

I knew someone would say that. You've obviously not tried Vindictus. Pressing 1, 2, 3 or 1, spacebar, spacebar, spacebar isn't the same as Vindictus combat and it's combos.

Feel free to look up Vindictus if you're interested. Point is Tera is NOT Vindictus with an open world, the combat is very different.

 

[Lunar Templar]

though from what i've heard on both sides, I'd probably play Tera. since some on described the combat as "Vindictus in an open world", which is 'do want' far as I'm concerned.

I've played Vindictus quite and bit and no, Tera is not Vindictus in an open world. It's all other MMO's but you can dodge and block. And miss your attacks (because you aim at something else, like the ground or a tree). Other than that it's not like Vindictus.

You can't grab anything, you can't do cool combos, you can't use the environment to your advantage, you can't trap a polar bear with chains. The combat you know from Vindictus is not in Tera.

>.> chains? on The White Tyrant? -.- why ..... none of them are hard enough to warrant the use of chains. unless your talking about the new one in the 'unknown zone', not bothered with anything but Elchulus of that set.

:/ but that kinda bums me out.

but least it'll save me a bunch a money

 

[Daystar Clarion]

Haha. No such thing.

That's kind of dodgy, dude...

One scantily clad prepubescent girl is too many...

 

[bliebblob]

Can you play GW2 with a control pad?

Apparently you can use one in Tera, is that correct? If one offered it and the other didn't that would make my choice easy.

As long as you could assign the keys, then yeah, I bet GW2 would be playable with a pad, or many-buttoned mouse. There's a limited suite of skills that need to be assigned.

Tera not so much, it has the same ability scope as games like WoW and Rift.

As someone who seriously looked into doing this, I'd advice against it. Let's look at the xbox 360 controller for example.

Left analog stick: movement
Right analog stick: camera

So far so good but this is where it gets tricky. You still have 4 shoulder buttons and 4 action buttons on the right (X Y A B).
And you should somehow fit 10 skills on them, plus buttons for weapon switch, jump and dodge? Not to mention the class-specific extra buttons like the elementalist's 4 element attunements.
I guess you could use the 4 directional buttons on the left as 4 extra action buttons but there's a reason xbox games never do that: you can't press them while moving around since your thumb is on the left analog stick. It may not seem like a big deal but it's pretty inconvenient in the heat of battle.

And don't even get me started on navigating menus, your inventory or the auction house. And the biggest one of them all: typing!

Those last few issues are not combat related though, so I guess you could just use the pad exclusively during combat and keyboard + mouse otherwise. (Provided you somehow solve the problems I mentioned earlier) But that isn't really an option either when you, like me, were planning to hook your pc up to you tv with an HDMI cable and than play from the sofa with a wireless controller.

If any of you see a convenient solution to all this I'd be very happy to hear it. Personally, the only thing I can think of is buying a pc gamepad with more buttons than an xbox 360 controller. Or to "create" extra buttons through button combinations like "upper left shoulder button + A". But that still wouldn't solve the issues outside of combat and there's a fair chance that the button combo thing won't even be possible.

OT: GW2 all the way. Honestly I don't know much about TERA but it looks veeeery korean, wich is an instant no-no for me.

 

[nu1mlock]

though from what i've heard on both sides, I'd probably play Tera. since some on described the combat as "Vindictus in an open world", which is 'do want' far as I'm concerned.

I've played Vindictus quite and bit and no, Tera is not Vindictus in an open world. It's all other MMO's but you can dodge and block. And miss your attacks (because you aim at something else, like the ground or a tree). Other than that it's not like Vindictus.

You can't grab anything, you can't do cool combos, you can't use the environment to your advantage, you can't trap a polar bear with chains. The combat you know from Vindictus is not in Tera.

>.> chains? on The White Tyrant? -.- why ..... none of them are hard enough to warrant the use of chains. unless your talking about the new one in the 'unknown zone', not bothered with anything but Elchulus of that set.

:/ but that kinda bums me out.

but least it'll save me a bunch a money

No, I only meant that's something you CAN do (use chains for example) in Vindictus but not in Tera. I was trying to point out a difference, not saying I would use chains on the polar bear.

 

[jehk]

I knew someone would say that. You've obviously not tried Vindictus. Pressing 1, 2, 3 or 1, spacebar, spacebar, spacebar isn't the same as Vindictus combat and it's combos.

Feel free to look up Vindictus if you're interested. Point is Tera is NOT Vindictus with an open world, the combat is very different.

But I did play Vindictus. I don't remember what's so different about them. Maybe my memory is faulty. Which is why I asked. You don't seem intent on answering my question so whatever.

 

[ImperialSunlight]

I'll be playing GW2, since I prefer the story, general aesthetic style and gameplay in it to TERA and it lacks a subscription fee. I find subscription fees ridiculous for most games these days, so TERA is not an option for me. I would go into more depth, but I'll leave it at that since I'm kinda busy with work.

Oh, and I also played the recent BWE for GW2 and it was fantastic, especially for a beta.

 

[lacktheknack]

Well, that went bad quickly.

OT: Neither. I'm not an MMO guy. If forced, I'd pick GW2 because it doesn't have a subscription.

 

[nu1mlock]

I knew someone would say that. You've obviously not tried Vindictus. Pressing 1, 2, 3 or 1, spacebar, spacebar, spacebar isn't the same as Vindictus combat and it's combos.

Feel free to look up Vindictus if you're interested. Point is Tera is NOT Vindictus with an open world, the combat is very different.

But I did play Vindictus. I don't remember what's so different about them. Maybe my memory is faulty. Which is why I asked. You don't seem intent on answering my question so whatever.

I'm sorry, I didn't mean it that way.

As I said, you can't take advantage of the environment in Tera the same way you an in Vindictus, you can't use spears or chains to cripple an enemy, you can't grab anything or anyone and you can't do the same kind of combos in Tera as you can in Vindictus.

And again, pressing button X and then spacebar, spacebar, spacebar is not a combo. It's a way to chain different skills without having to look up the correct button for it. You can manually add skills to chain. It's macroing, not combos.

Edit: Perhaps macro isn't the right word for it as macros usually are more automatic. Maybe a better term would be "chains", which they are also called in Tera. Not combos, chains of manually selected skills.

 

[Kyoh]

Thanks for an actual answer. I can kinda understand. I still wouldn't call their hips that of a developed women.

Agree to disagree.

If you look at most preteen girls, their legs and waist are built like sticks. They're still undeveloped. The Ellin have a very flat and thin upper body, but their lower half flares out like the bottom of an hourglass. Those curves are developed during most girl's teen years when they become women.

Regardless, I think the whole controversy has been blown way out of proportion. I don't think it's crossed any moral boundaries, but it is off putting to some, and I can see why. In the end it's all aesthetics and personal preference.

 

[Lunar Templar]

though from what i've heard on both sides, I'd probably play Tera. since some on described the combat as "Vindictus in an open world", which is 'do want' far as I'm concerned.

I've played Vindictus quite and bit and no, Tera is not Vindictus in an open world. It's all other MMO's but you can dodge and block. And miss your attacks (because you aim at something else, like the ground or a tree). Other than that it's not like Vindictus.

You can't grab anything, you can't do cool combos, you can't use the environment to your advantage, you can't trap a polar bear with chains. The combat you know from Vindictus is not in Tera.

>.> chains? on The White Tyrant? -.- why ..... none of them are hard enough to warrant the use of chains. unless your talking about the new one in the 'unknown zone', not bothered with anything but Elchulus of that set.

:/ but that kinda bums me out.

but least it'll save me a bunch a money

No, I only meant that's something you CAN do (use chains for example) in Vindictus but not in Tera. I was trying to point out a difference, not saying I would use chains on the polar bear.

poor example then, since chaining Trolls and Kobolds (deep harrow frost) and Goblins are much more better.

ether way, still a bummer :/ i was looking for ward to playing Tera to

 

[Don Savik]

Wait, do the prepubescent girls race have a male counterpart?

Here's what i found from the tera wiki.
"the Elin and the animal-like Popori are listed as one race. This is because the Popori is not a singular race so much as a nation of woodland familiars and spirits. The means by which they procreate and have offspring is not like other beings who are purely flesh. Interviews with the producers of TERA Online have stated that the males are like woodland spirits and the females (Elin) are akin to dryads and nymphs." -From the Tera Wiki

But OT: definitely going with GW2 then i can still play SW:TOR for all 8 stories(got 2 done and 3 on the way, one of each advanced class for spice ). and not have to pay monthly for GW2. Even though i have a hard time keeping up with two mmo's at once.

So the pre-pubescent cat girls have sex with beavers and dogs and bunny people?

[sub]what in the actual fuck...[/sub]


Man.....Asians are weird.


OT: WINNER....GUILD WARS 2! Because you can have original design choices that aren't bizzare and profoundly stupid! Because you don't have a subscription! Because you can have male characters that don't wear V necks that go down to the crotch! Because you're questing is better! Because the pvp is better! Because other things! Yay guild wars 2......