**Terror in Oslo** UPDATE: Anders Breivik gets 8 weeks of custody

[JB1528]

So...if this was so-called "muslim terrorists", what does a scandinavian man speaking a nordic language shooting a bunch of people have to do with it?

Race and nationality doesn't matter, remember "Jihad Jane" extremeism can hit anyone.

 

[Pinkamena]

There is some al-qaida related twat on twitter going "this is just the beginning", but that could easily be BS...

Terrorist groups often try to take responsibility for terrorist acts they haven't done. I think it's BS.

 

[Shycte]

Just putting it in here , but what if the Bombing was a terrorist attack from a terrorist organisation and the shooting was political . Picture this : Neo-nazi watches the bombing then he either sees a opportunity ( in his own twisted way ) to cause chaos for political gain or ,fueled by rage, he goes nuts on the guys he sees responsible for this ( the socialist which I guess support immigration?) . Still , he seemed pretty organised , maybe he was waiting just for the right moment to act .

Could be, I heard that the to acts had an connection, but not which kind.

 

[martin's a madman]

Something I don't like about this is all the people jumping on the "muslims did it" bandwagon.
Just check the comments on the youtube video and see what I mean.

Yes, this was probably done by an EXTREMIST muslim group. Don't judge all of them because what very few of them does.

It pisses me off!

An extremist muslim is still a muslim. So, if a muslim extremist group did this, the people saying "muslims did it" are, in fact, factually correct.

Yes, it is. But that was not my point.
I don't like that they try to put all muslims in the same group!

Racism is just going to get worse in this country after this.

Well, they do all get their 'moral' teachings from the same books. The fact that followers of islam in general are more violent and intolerant than the followers of christianity, for instance, speaks volumes for the reason of xenophobia towards muslims.

Look at me, railing on muslims like that. If I say much more, I'm likely to get warned, so enough about them.

It's funny that you say that because throughout history, christianity has been a very violent religion. The Crusades, I'm looking at you.

And the Bible is full of bad morals, and so is the Quran, mainly because they both are old outdated books. But both books also contain good morals.

And christians being more tolerant and less violent; there's no truth in that, unless you can show me proof. Don't try to blame all the muslims for what very few of them does.

I can't recall christian terrorist attacks. Sure, there's been wars, but do you think only christians went to Afghanistan/Iraq? Was it a holy mission from God? No. And look at crime statistics here in Norway. It's about time Norway united and stopped the immigration. I can say from personal experience that muslims are trouble. Can you say from personal experience that christians are trouble?

I've heard muslims call norwegians pigs, and our women sluts, in real life. If we did something similar in their homeland? Fuck me, I don't know what they'd do, only that anyone who did would be dead sooner or later.

Funny thing about personal experience is that it doesn't give you an accurate view of an entire group.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christian_terrorism
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/God%27s_Army_%28revolutionary_group%29
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-abortion_violence

Also, didn't George Bush say (his) god told him to do it (wars)? His word on such nonsense is equally as valid as anyone else'.

 

[Makon]

This is just sad and pathetic. Why Norway? Why target children? Either this guy was fanatically and politically motivated, from the sounds of it, or just plain messed up. Either way, this is tragic beyond words. I must admit, seeing the pictures that have been released, I am relieved that the death and injury toll hasn't been higher, no matter how reprehensible this is.

Thoughts and prayers Norway, thoughts and prayers.

 

[zabour]

This is horrible. I live in Stavanger another city in Norway and I must say. As a foreigner living in Norway; The norwegian people are very lovely, nice and has always treated me with respect and kindness. Of all people, they are the ones that deserve it the least.

It's confirmed that the man is white, which decreases the chance that it's an islamic extremist group.

He's attacked the PM of Norawy, and attacked a group of young people at a political camp. I can't imagine why. The Norwegian goverment isn't perfect, but it's effecient and good for the people.

PS: I'm listening to an american woman at BBC rambling about muslims and alqaeda. *****, wait before you freaking start to point fingers. Isn't it tragic enough already? Do you have to start pointing fingers before you even feeling bad for the people involved?

 

[Ninjasander]

A witness MAY have seen the shooter before the bombings had ocurred.

This isn't confirmed, but it could prove interesting if true.

 

[Tdc2182]

How the fuck do you justify your cause after knowingly shooting up a camp full of teens?

There is no way these people can actually think this will make people go "Oh, hey, they got a point, don't they?"

 

[TheAmokz]

Wow.
That's just sick.
I feel really sorry for you guys.

And what the fuck has Norway done?

Muslims don't need reasons to kill infidels.

Islam once again shows its true face.

 

[Ninjasander]

Wow.
That's just sick.
I feel really sorry for you guys.

And what the fuck has Norway done?

Muslims don't need reasons to kill infidels.

Islam once again shows its true face.

Why would you blame Islam?! There's nothing with this attack that say it's done by muslims.

 

[Pinkamena]

Muslims don't need reasons to kill infidels.

Islam once again shows its true face.

Please don't jump to conclusions.

 

[Birdman1011395]

I don't want to believe it. Why the children, for fucks sake why the children.

He showed up in a gray minivan and a police uniform, something should have rung in security's head.

Would you have denied a police officer to check on the safety on a large gathering during a possible terrorist attack?

Lets have a look at things that are odd.

First off, he's carrying a scoped rifle. Norwegian police rarely carry those, the last time I saw them in use was when Barack Obama visited. Second, if the guy shows up in a gray minivan, but is wearing a uniform of the police. WTF is going on, it's easier to acquire a uniform than it is a car. This may seem stupid of me, "oh well you have the advantage of hindsight." You might say. And yes the security wasn't actually trained, but still, WTF?! Also It would have taken him 30 seconds to call a police base and ask if they could confirm sending an officer to check on the safety.

Don't know if they do this in that area of Norway, but I do know that in some places here in the States, you can hire off-duty cops to provide armed security. And, of course, you might not get a squad car that way, the security guard that let him through probably pegged it the van a belonging to the camp's fleet. Also, there's all this talk like someone important was to make an appearance there (I've heard either some current minister or a former Prime Minister), meaning the rifle/"machine gun" would've made sense.

 

[JB1528]

Wow.
That's just sick.
I feel really sorry for you guys.

And what the fuck has Norway done?

Muslims don't need reasons to kill infidels.

Islam once again shows its true face.

Why would you blame Islam?! There's nothing with this attack that say it's done by muslims.

Look at page 6 and 8, apparently an Islamic group already claimed credit. Of course it may not be true but so far the evidence points at Islamic extremeism at the moment.

 

[Captainguy42]

Does anyone have any idea yet about if there where more people than just this one guy? It seems a bit elaborate for one guy to pull off.

 

[Pinkamena]

Does anyone have any idea yet about if there where more people than just this one guy? It seems a bit elaborate for one guy to pull off.

Nobody seems to know. I guess we'll have to wait for more information. The shooter is in for questioning by the police.

 

[Evertw]

Don't know if they do this in that area of Norway, but I do know that in some places here in the States, you can hire off-duty cops to provide armed security. And, of course, you might not get a squad car that way, the security guard that let him through probably pegged it the van a belonging to the camp's fleet. Also, there's all this talk like someone important was to make an appearance there (I've heard either some current minister or a former Prime Minister), meaning the rifle/"machine gun" would've made sense.

The police only serve on duty, never off official duty. Our security companies are at maximum allowed pepper spray I believe. Our politicians mingle with normal people, often without a horde of body guards surrounding them. Although she is dear to the people (at least some) she wouldn't have the kind of priority a head of state would. She's an ex-prime minister. Our current prime minister was scheduled to talk at Utøya tommorow.

 

[Ninjasander]

Wow.
That's just sick.
I feel really sorry for you guys.

And what the fuck has Norway done?

Muslims don't need reasons to kill infidels.

Islam once again shows its true face.

Why would you blame Islam?! There's nothing with this attack that say it's done by muslims.

Look at page 6 and 8, apparently an Islamic group already claimed credit. Of course it may not be true but so far the evidence points at Islamic extremeism at the moment.

Then why is the shooter a white norwegian male?

The evidence currently available points to this being the work of nationalists.

And I call BS on the islamic group claiming responsibility. At least for now. We still don't have the whole picture yet.

 

[enzilewulf]

Wow.
That's just sick.
I feel really sorry for you guys.

And what the fuck has Norway done?

Muslims don't need reasons to kill infidels.

Islam once again shows its true face.

Extremist don't need reasons. Don't pin this on all Muslims.Considering the shooter isn't even from the middle east.

OT: This is terrible. I have been watching for some time now and it saddens me that such a great country was targeted. People are asking why they were selected for it and there is evidence as to why they were targeted. They reprinted a newspaper depicting the Muslim prophet which invoked much anger in the terror cells. They are also active in the current NATO bombing campaigns.

Still best hopes that the death toll will not grow by much when that ruble is cleared.

 

[LE0Night]

Nobody knows anything by now, really, it's all rumours, and a billion of them to boot. There's talk about the Libyan dictator, a Jihad-Jane-type terrorist, crazed political activists, but nothing is confirmed.

 

[Gigano]

Actually doesn't seem too immediately clear that Muslims are the ones behind this now. A social democratic (i.e. politically moderate) youth camp is a peculiar target to single out, even if an ethnic Norwegian could easily have been a convert. The trait of "social democrat" just seem too prevalent a trait in the victims to not be a very credible motive, suggesting its more political than religious in nature; could be some right wing extremist nutter akin to Timothy McWeigh.

On the other hand, the attack seem to have been very well planned and organized. It's doubtful that a single man could do this, and I can't really pinpoint any known Scandinavian organizations capable of pulling this off.