**Terror in Oslo** UPDATE: Anders Breivik gets 8 weeks of custody

[Jegsimmons]

Ugh. Been playing M2:Total War for almost twenty four hours now, and this is how I wake up to reality?

...

Fuck it, going back to Total War.

(And you say the guy who did it was of "Scandinavian appearance"? Good, atleast there won't be any race-riots)

too late.....

I know, I know, the interwebz are buzzing with angry people screaming "amg, next time I'm voting for whichever party bans immigrants!", hilariously thinking that banning immigration will stop terrorism, but the evidence so far points to it being a non-muslim terrorist, so the commotion will die down.

dont you also find it sad how it turn into a "blame this religion"/"this religion is also as bad" thread for a while?
let me just say, evil has no religion or politics.
evil is evil, and this is the work of evil.

 

[razerdoh]

Wait has it been verified it was muslims who have done this?

no

the terrorist(s) who did this is going to die anyway... either killed by cops or getting shanked in prison...

 

[LE0Night]

For whatever it's worth, the shooter is now confirmed Norwegian.

 

[Spartan448]

It looks like someone just called in a fucking airstrike! Man, if this was the U.S. or somethin this would be kind of normal, but why Norway???

 

[Makon]

dont you also find it sad how it turn into a "blame this religion"/"this religion is also as bad" thread for a while?
let me just say, evil has no religion or politics.
evil is evil, and this is the work of evil.

Complete truth right there. I doubt we'll ever fully know what motivated this or why, but reading over this doesn't give me a vibe that says religious motive. My guess is it was a political motive in the mind of a completely batshit insane and downright evil psychopath.

 

[similar.squirrel]

Oh, goddamn. I wish I was there to donate blood, I really do. This is so horrible.

 

[Makon]

It looks like someone just called in a fucking airstrike! Man, if this was the U.S. or somethin this would be kind of normal, but why Norway???

Uh...hate to burst your bubble man, but this shit doesn't happen in the US NEARLY as often as you think, given your comment. Random shootings? Some, yes. Bombings and a combination of the two? No man.

 

[Malkavian]

Something I don't like about this is all the people jumping on the "muslims did it" bandwagon.
Just check the comments on the youtube video and see what I mean.

Yes, this was probably done by an EXTREMIST muslim group. Don't judge all of them because what very few of them does.

It pisses me off!

An extremist muslim is still a muslim. So, if a muslim extremist group did this, the people saying "muslims did it" are, in fact, factually correct.

Yes, it is. But that was not my point.
I don't like that they try to put all muslims in the same group!

Racism is just going to get worse in this country after this.

Well, they do all get their 'moral' teachings from the same books. The fact that followers of islam in general are more violent and intolerant than the followers of christianity, for instance, speaks volumes for the reason of xenophobia towards muslims.

Look at me, railing on muslims like that. If I say much more, I'm likely to get warned, so enough about them.

It's funny that you say that because throughout history, christianity has been a very violent religion. The Crusades, I'm looking at you.

And the Bible is full of bad morals, and so is the Quran, mainly because they both are old outdated books. But both books also contain good morals.

And christians being more tolerant and less violent; there's no truth in that, unless you can show me proof. Don't try to blame all the muslims for what very few of them does.

The crusades were in the 11th 12th and 13th century you do realise that right?

That's a looooong time ago.

I'm not religious I just think it's a bit of strange thing to compare modern bombings to.

That doesn't matter at all. He was responding to an argument that religion is at fault, not an intepretation of it, and an argument that islam in its nature is simply more violent. It is not. Islam is, at its core, a very peace loving religion. You will find no more violence in the Quoran than, say, the Bible. The Bible has passages commanding us to crush children against rocks, and raping women, telling us that homosexuality should be punished with death and destruction. That women are not to be trusted. Etcetera. You can take just about any religion, and find a violent component to it. That doesn't mean it's practitioners are violent. Religion is what we make it. That goes for islam too.

The religion is not at fault. The people twisting it to serve their purpose, is. Just as Christianity was not at fault for the crusades, but the people twisiting it to their purpose, was. It is a solid comparison, given what he was responding to, and it is a very important thing to remember, when we start throwing accusations at Islam as a religion, instead of rabid pockets of extremism.



Besides that, it is terrible news, and it is a terrible human being that did this, for whatever reason he did it. And it just had to happen on my birthday, didn't it? I hope for a speedy recovery for the wounded, and I wish something could be done for those who suffered the loss of a loved one.

 

[JB1528]

Wow.
That's just sick.
I feel really sorry for you guys.

And what the fuck has Norway done?

Muslims don't need reasons to kill infidels.

Islam once again shows its true face.

Why would you blame Islam?! There's nothing with this attack that say it's done by muslims.

Look at page 6 and 8, apparently an Islamic group already claimed credit. Of course it may not be true but so far the evidence points at Islamic extremeism at the moment.

It might have escaped you to actually read the links, but the group that claimed responsibility have since redacted their claims and a 404 now appears on the original source. Check page 5 and 8. The links are there. And here is another [http://www.vancouversun.com/news/Oslo+bomb+kills+gunman+opens+fire+youth+camp/5143941/story.html]

I did read the links and at the time I read it the news was saying they took the credit, the fact that they redacted their claims was only added to the article AFTER it was posted. So I read it before the article was updated so there's no reason to act like a dick towards me and go on the offensive.

Also race and nationality hardly matter when it comes to extremism. In fact most terrorist attacks are done by the natives of the country they're attacking whether its Islamic extremeist or crazy nationalist.

 

[Ninjasander]

Something I don't like about this is all the people jumping on the "muslims did it" bandwagon.
Just check the comments on the youtube video and see what I mean.

Yes, this was probably done by an EXTREMIST muslim group. Don't judge all of them because what very few of them does.

It pisses me off!

An extremist muslim is still a muslim. So, if a muslim extremist group did this, the people saying "muslims did it" are, in fact, factually correct.

Yes, it is. But that was not my point.
I don't like that they try to put all muslims in the same group!

Racism is just going to get worse in this country after this.

Well, they do all get their 'moral' teachings from the same books. The fact that followers of islam in general are more violent and intolerant than the followers of christianity, for instance, speaks volumes for the reason of xenophobia towards muslims.

Look at me, railing on muslims like that. If I say much more, I'm likely to get warned, so enough about them.

It's funny that you say that because throughout history, christianity has been a very violent religion. The Crusades, I'm looking at you.

And the Bible is full of bad morals, and so is the Quran, mainly because they both are old outdated books. But both books also contain good morals.

And christians being more tolerant and less violent; there's no truth in that, unless you can show me proof. Don't try to blame all the muslims for what very few of them does.

The crusades were in the 11th 12th and 13th century you do realise that right?

That's a looooong time ago.

I'm not religious I just think it's a bit of strange thing to compare modern bombings to.

That doesn't matter at all. He was responding to an argument that religion is at fault, not an intepretation of it, and an argument that islam in its nature is simply more violent. It is not. Islam is, at its core, a very peace loving religion. You will find no more violence in the Quoran than, say, the Bible. The Bible has passages commanding us to crush children against rocks, and raping women, telling us that homosexuality should be punished with death and destruction. That women are not to be trusted. Etcetera. You can take just about any religion, and find a violent component to it. That doesn't mean it's practitioners are violent. Religion is what we make it. That goes for islam too.

The religion is not at fault. The people twisting it to serve their purpose, is. Just as Christianity was not at fault for the crusades, but the people twisiting it to their purpose, was. It is a solid comparison, given what he was responding to, and it is a very important thing to remember, when we start throwing accusations at Islam as a religion, instead of rabid pockets of extremism.



Besides that, it is terrible news, and it is a terrible human being that did this, for whatever reason he did it. And it just had to happen on my birthday, didn't it? I hope for a speedy recovery for the wounded, and I wish something could be done for those who suffered the loss of a loved one.

Thank you! That's a spot on explanation of what I wanted to say.

Oh, and Happy Birthday! Don't let this ruin your day. ^^

OT: I just finished watching the PMs speech, and I didn't expect to see Jens Stoltenberg with watery eyes.

The shooter has been confirmed as a norwegian, and he may have been at the site of the bombing.

I also saw a picture of a lot of teens dead in the water where the shooting had happened. It seemed to be a little too many than there should.

It also seemed to be more than the reported 10 dead. (on the picture, don't trust me on this though)

 

[Yopaz]

I am terrified because of this, I know I will pass this place on Sunday and Monday, but honestly I want to know why this happened. I am glad I don't know someone who died there, but I feel sorry for all the ones who died, and all those who lost someone and those who got hurt.

 

[Pinkamena]

Yes. From pictures and videos I have seen, there should be more than 10 killed. I'm sure the death toll will get bigger.

 

[Jonluw]

The authorities have now found undetonated explosives at the youth camp (Utøya).
The shooting is definitely linked with the bombing.

Edit: From what I've heard, at least.

 

[trollnystan]

Yea it doesnt help their cause. If there is more of this, next election in Sweden I'm voting SD. And I doubt I will be alone in doing so.

Uh, according to the news and less reliable sources (like Escapist and Flashback) it seems more likely that the guy actually was more or less right-wing, not to mention that it went out to a Labour Party youth-camp and started shooting people there.

Lol, quoted the wrong person there. I don't believe it was Muslim extremists, but even if it was, voting for SD is a poor move IMO.

 

[Jonluw]

Oh, goddamn. I wish I was there to donate blood, I really do. This is so horrible.

That isn't an issue from what I'm hearing.
They've been asking for people with bloodtype 0- but I think I remember hearing them saying they had all the blood they needed and asking people to stop calling to donate.

 

[DracoSuave]

A reason will present itself if they got the shooter. Terror attacks are generally to make a statement, some sort of desperate desire to get a point across.

He'll talk. They always do.

 

[Quiet Stranger]

Whoever did this (the explosions) should be shot on site, these kinds of people should be shot on site, fucking sickos.

 

[Pinkamena]

Whoever did this (the explosions) should be shot on site, these kinds of people should be shot on site, fucking sickos.

In my eyes, the bombing are not even near as terrible as the shooting. Imagine how fucking scraed they must've been 600-700 kids and youth on a tiny, tiny island, being hunted by a dude with weapons. I'd be shitting myself.

 

[Quiet Stranger]

Whoever did this (the explosions) should be shot on site, these kinds of people should be shot on site, fucking sickos.

In my eyes, the bombing are not even near as terrible as the shooting. Imagine how fucking scraed they must've been 600-700 kids and youth on a tiny, tiny island, being hunted by a dude with weapons. I'd be shitting myself.

Just another reason why whoever did this should be shot.

 

[Sordak]

STOP BEEING APPEASING you think that you stop beeing involved in Lybia / Afghanistan because of terrorists threatening you? thats called appeasement. and you know who else did it? England, to Nazi germany.

You dont negotiate with terrorists and thats for a good reason. You cannot just stop your actions because of the consequences.