**Terror in Oslo** UPDATE: Anders Breivik gets 8 weeks of custody

[ProudMuslim]

where are you all that claim this was done by an extreme muslim group?

There is a saying dont judge a book by its cover.... Everything that media bark out is a load of bull.

@Killerowl Quran is not an outdated book if you actually study it and have some knowledge about it you will know that no where in the Quran it states about terrorism, suicide or blowing people up.

What cracks me up is whenever something like this happens its always pointed at muslims or islam well here you have it you have been proved wrong. Now what do you have to say?

 

[LE0Night]

What also shocked me was how he has a permit for two weapons. How does a guy who's an extremist both religiously and politically get a hold of a weapon permit? There's probably a lot of Norwegians going to say this in the coming days, but Norwegian gun control laws have failed, and need to be tightened.

If he couldn't have purchased a firearm, the shooting for one thing wouldn't have happened.

When was the last death by shooting here? I can't remember any...
There was one a couple of weeks ago, but that was very out of the ordinary.

 

[Arcticflame]

extreme-left through being under the influence of Palestinian propaganda).

Wat. How does extreme-left correlate to Palestinian Propaganada?

You can be extreme left and hate Palestine.

 

[Ninjasander]

where are you all that claim this was done by an extreme muslim group?

There is a saying dont judge a book by its cover.... Everything that media bark out is a load of bull.

@Killerowl Quran is not an outdated book if you actually study it and have some knowledge about it you will know that no where in the Quran it states about terrorism, suicide or blowing people up.

What cracks me up is whenever something like this happens its always pointed at muslims or islam well here you have it you have been proved wrong. Now what do you have to say?

What are you talking about?

I was one of the people that were angry at the ones blaming muslims! I was never trying to put the blame on muslims. And if I was doing it, I would not blame Islam or muslims in general, but the radical extremist groups.
You've apparently only read the first page and not seen everything else I have written.

But the Quran is an outdated book, yes it contains a lot of good and wise sayings and texts. But it also contains bad and discriminating texts. And this is because the book is old, too old to stay relevant in a modern society.

Note that these are MY opinions, you can agree to disagree and lets leave it at that.

 

[Comrade_Beric]

As a liberal atheistic socialist, I am both confused and somewhat insulted by the opening sentence of the updated OP being that the shooter is both a "conservative christian" and somehow an "extreme leftist." Conservative religious extremist racists who spontaneously murder children and government officials of the ruling leftist party are the very antithesis of being a political leftist. I can only assume that the definition of "leftist" being used must be a catchall term practically invented for the use of Fox News and other conservative media so they could paint "extremist" and "leftist" as the same thing.

 

[LE0Night]

As a liberal atheistic socialist, I am both confused and somewhat insulted by the opening sentence of the updated OP being that the shooter is both a "conservative christian" and somehow an "extreme leftist." Conservative religious extremist racists who spontaneously murder children and government officials of the ruling leftist party are the very antithesis of being a political leftist. I can only assume that the definition of "leftist" being used must be a catchall term practically invented for the use of Fox News and other conservative media so they could paint "extremist" and "leftist" as the same thing.

This isn't gonna go away anytime soon, is it? He was extreme right, OP made a mistake and isn't around to fix it.

 

[Ickorus]

I don't like that they try to put all muslims in the same group!

Racism is just going to get worse in this country after this.

Well, they do all get their 'moral' teachings from the same books. The fact that followers of islam in general are more violent and intolerant than the followers of christianity, for instance, speaks volumes for the reason of xenophobia towards muslims.

Look at me, railing on muslims like that. If I say much more, I'm likely to get warned, so enough about them.

Islam is actually a religion of peace, the only parts of the Qu'ran that actually talk about fighting states to fight your oppressors but only fight if you are attacked first. (I imagine 'You' means You as a person, not as a collective of persons)

Religious extremists of any faith will bend the texts of their holy book to mean what they want it to mean and the only people who follow those extremst teachings are those too stupid, lazy or ignorant to read the thing themselves.

You've clearly never actually read the Qu'ran if you're going to say that it only justifies violence in cases of oppression/retaliation/self-defense.

Not to derail the thread again, but didn't Mohammed originally spread Islam by conquering arabia and killing arab polytheists? Surely he wasn't being oppressed at such a time?

And don't violent passages in the later portion of the Koran Abrogate the 'peaceful' passages in the early?

Unless I'm mistaken, Islam's initial success was brought about violently.

Chrstianity did the same thing, most religions are full of hypocrits.

 

[Ninjasander]

As a liberal atheistic socialist, I am both confused and somewhat insulted by the opening sentence of the updated OP being that the shooter is both a "conservative christian" and somehow an "extreme leftist." Conservative religious extremist racists who spontaneously murder children and government officials of the ruling leftist party are the very antithesis of being a political leftist. I can only assume that the definition of "leftist" being used must be a catchall term practically invented for the use of Fox News and other conservative media so they could paint "extremist" and "leftist" as the same thing.

It's a typo, it's supposed to be Right wing.

OP is asleep, but has been notififed!

 

[ProudMuslim]

where are you all that claim this was done by an extreme muslim group?

There is a saying dont judge a book by its cover.... Everything that media bark out is a load of bull.

@Killerowl Quran is not an outdated book if you actually study it and have some knowledge about it you will know that no where in the Quran it states about terrorism, suicide or blowing people up.

What cracks me up is whenever something like this happens its always pointed at muslims or islam well here you have it you have been proved wrong. Now what do you have to say?

What are you talking about?

I was one of the people that were angry at the ones blaming muslims! I was never trying to put the blame on muslims. And if I was doing it, I would not blame Islam or muslims in general, but the radical extremist groups.
You've apparently only read the first page and not seen everything else I have written.

But the Quran is an outdated book, yes it contains a lot of good and wise sayings and texts. But it also contains bad and discriminating texts. And this is because the book is old, too old to stay relevant in a modern society.

Note that these are MY opinions, you can agree to disagree and lets leave it at that.

Am not having a go at you but i dont agree with you about the Quran thats all am saying.

 

[Ninjasander]

Am not having a go at you but i dont agree with you about the Quran thats all am saying.

And lets keep it like that, arguing about religion over the internet is a waste of time.

 

[Comrade_Beric]

As a liberal atheistic socialist

So that's why you use the logo of an anti-liberal, extreme-left fascist group as an avatar?

The prefix "anti" might need to be explained, I guess. You'll note the name is "anti-fascist action" Calling the "anti-fascist" group fascist is like calling the "Freedom From Religion Foundation" a church.

 

[Datsle]

Shooting kids on a remote Island? Evil personified.
Kondolerer, til alle.

 

[Hitisanta]

I am a norwegian, and i live right outside of oslo where bombing was and i have been hearing helicopters, police cars and ambulance the whole day, i it haddent been for a littlet hing we had to do, i would have been a house away from the car bomb :-0

 

[Jonluw]

So I looked up the shooter in the Freemason registry. I think I found his father: Jan Gunnar Behring [http://www.tv2.no/nyheter/prosjekt/frimurer/losjer/soilene/medlem/80191]

Interestingly, when I look him up, he has less than 300 000 NOK yearly income. That's almost low enough to be receiving welfare. How do you get to be a level 5 freemason when you're at that level of income?
I'm sensing a person who has some shady activity under his belt...

Edit: Turns out the shooter lived with his mother. May be that he actually wasn't all that rich, in spite of what his picture wants me to believe.

 

[Skjalg Kreutzer]

So I looked up the shooter in the Freemason registry. I think I found his father: Jan Gunnar Behring [http://www.tv2.no/nyheter/prosjekt/frimurer/losjer/soilene/medlem/80191]

Interestingly, when I look him up, he has less than 300 000 NOK yearly income. That's almost low enough to be receiving welfare. How do you get to be a level 5 freemason when you're at that level of income?
I'm sensing a person who has some shady activity under his belt...

You don't have to be filthy rich to be a Freemason.

 

[Comrade_Beric]

Wat. How does extreme-left correlate to Palestinian Propaganada?

You can be extreme left and hate Palestine.

That's possible yes, but speaking overall, grosso modo, the extreme left has deep Palestinian sympathies. I saw a demonstration surrounding the january 2009 war, where the AFA that comrade-Beric has for an avatar was present, and one of the slogans they shouted was "Hamas! Hamas! All Jews must be gassed!"

Actually a far left member of parliament was present there, and he refused to disprove of those slogans and ideas.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mapai

It is not only possible to be extreme-left and anti-Palestine, there were entire political parties devoted to the concept.

 

[Ninjasander]

Wat. How does extreme-left correlate to Palestinian Propaganada?

You can be extreme left and hate Palestine.

That's possible yes, but speaking overall, grosso modo, the extreme left has deep Palestinian sympathies. I saw a demonstration surrounding the january 2009 war, where the AFA that comrade-Beric has for an avatar was present, and one of the slogans they shouted was "Hamas! Hamas! All Jews must be gassed!"

Actually a far left member of parliament was present there, and he refused to disprove of those slogans and ideas.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mapai

It is not only possible to be extreme-left and anti-Palestine, there were entire political parties devoted to the concept.

Uhm.... guys, try to stay OT.

 

[Jonluw]

So I looked up the shooter in the Freemason registry. I think I found his father: Jan Gunnar Behring [http://www.tv2.no/nyheter/prosjekt/frimurer/losjer/soilene/medlem/80191]

Interestingly, when I look him up, he has less than 300 000 NOK yearly income. That's almost low enough to be receiving welfare. How do you get to be a level 5 freemason when you're at that level of income?
I'm sensing a person who has some shady activity under his belt...

You don't have to be filthy rich to be a Freemason.

Apparently not.
That's just the connotation I have with it. Or at the very least, when I think of freemasons, I don't think of people who are receiving welfare.

Turns out the shooter lived with his mother though, so it may well be they actually weren't all that well off.