Texas man faces execution after jurors consult Bible to decide fate
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A philosophy like that never ends. The person who kills the first murderer would then have to be killed themselves, and then the person who killed that person would have to be killed, and so on and so forth. In short, such a philosophy, if taken seriously, would be the end of humanity.HaloHappy said:
OT: I don't think it matters. They probably would have sentenced him to death anyways.
so what if they resorted to the bible? the big issue here is that he's being executed by the state, not that someone needed help from the bible to decide what to do with him.
i know which part i find more shocking, and if you find state sanctioned murder less shocking than religion then, well, there's something deeply wrong with your moral compass
i know which part i find more shocking, and if you find state sanctioned murder less shocking than religion then, well, there's something deeply wrong with your moral compass
Using the Bible as the reasoning behind sentencing someone to death IS highly unconstitutional. Stick with that and you'll end up stoning people for adultery. (I'm Christian, btw :\ )
That said, under OUR laws, sentencing him to death was appropriate.
That said, under OUR laws, sentencing him to death was appropriate.
XD ahahaha oh you, so uneducated. where in the constitution does it say "separation of church and state"? point it out to me and then try this argument until then you have no backing.
I'm texan as well and I would appreciate it if everyone would lay off the hate on my state!
I'm texan as well and I would appreciate it if everyone would lay off the hate on my state!
this is true, i don't disagree with that, but, speaking as a brit, it doesn't make sense that swearing an oath on a bible should be standard procedure for witnesses in a trial. if church and state are separate in your country, shouldn't that be illegal too?Miles Tormani said:
just asking
I disagree with the death penalty because of three reasons:
1. All studies have shown that it does not act as a deterrent as the people who are crazy enough to murder aren't put off by death or they think that they won't get caught.
2. It costs the state so much money to execute 1 man that I can't help feeling that the money could be put to better use elsewhere.
3. My next reason can be best summed up by Gandhi:
1. All studies have shown that it does not act as a deterrent as the people who are crazy enough to murder aren't put off by death or they think that they won't get caught.
2. It costs the state so much money to execute 1 man that I can't help feeling that the money could be put to better use elsewhere.
3. My next reason can be best summed up by Gandhi:
If the man was put to death because of the Bible, then the jurors should be put in jail.
this is sad... but anyways I'm a Texan myself and I think it's kind of silly that they consulted their bible in making the decision...I for one am against the death penalty and secondly i'm quite sure jurors are only to use what was presented in the case to render a punishment...seriously i think he should appeal on the grounds of separation of church and state.
@ above it actually costs more to go through all the proceedings of executing a person than just keeping them alive in prison. http://deathpenalty.org/article.php?id=42%255
@ above it actually costs more to go through all the proceedings of executing a person than just keeping them alive in prison. http://deathpenalty.org/article.php?id=42%255
Nimbus said:
GoldenCondor said:
Just to make it clear, he was SENTENCED in 1999, and Nimbus is right when he says people were more religious back then.
He is STILL going to be killed on November the 5th (Ironic...). So whomever has the power to should still intervene.
Personally, and considering I don't know all the circumstances of the case, he probably deserved the death penalty for it... However, the fact that the Bible was used for anything more than a door stop at the judgment does make the whole thing illegal, not to mention immoral. If he's to be executed, let him be executed over fair laws, not over an extremely old fiction book.
No, it doesn't make sense (the President has to swear an Oath on the Bible too), and yes, it should also be unconstitutional. However, like I said in that edit, it's not like American government actually goes by its own Constitution as it should anymore. These days it seems to be outright ignored.chrisdibs said:
no he doesn't you can choose whatever book you wish to swear on, hell you could swear on a maxim magazine if you wanted. You can do so in the court of law anyways, learn you laws. and secondly the separation of church and state isn't explicitly documented in the constitution, it just says bodies of law can't rule in favor of a religion, nothign about ceremonial situations, although there is some gray area.Miles Tormani said:
Well, he obviously should be killed. He has too much skill to be safely released, killed a man with his own rifle? That is a well done murder right there. Now, on a serious note, doesn't Texas have the death penalty for murder anyways? So consulting The Bible makes no real difference.
OH SHI-Caliostro said:
Remember, remember the Fifth of November,
The Gunpowder Treason and Plot,
I know of* no reason
Why the Gunpowder Treason
Should ever be forgot.
Guy Fawkes, Guy Fawkes, t'was his intent
To blow up the King and Parli'ment.
Three-score barrels of powder below
To prove old England's overthrow;
By God's providence he was catch'd (or by God's mercy*)
With a dark lantern and burning match.
Holloa boys, holloa boys, let the bells ring. (Holla*)
Holloa boys, holloa boys, God save the King!
but he will be released if this gets on the agenda of amnesty... They will likely go to either the supreme court or to the congress for a hearing about this. He'll probably gets away free. As george said ''Mind my words''JZmada said:
Then stop doing such laughably hatable things. Like what I mentioned earlier with the exorcism.dubious_wolf said:
Last time i checked juries were made up of people. People have religions which will effect which way the vote in trial, So does the bible in there hand affect them from reading it every night or stop the from going to church on Sunday? and what if they were Muslim? Would the Qur'an in there hand stop them from reading it at home? and the same if they were Jewish with a Torah?
Texas break away from the USA? really? cause if i remember right isn't freedom of religion allowed in the constitution?
Texas break away from the USA? really? cause if i remember right isn't freedom of religion allowed in the constitution?