Texas man kills man who allegedly sexually molested his daughter

[ThePenguinKnight]

Good.

Pedophiles psychologically murder their victims and each time one is put to death I feel like dancing.

Do I care that the pedophile is a human being with problems? Not in the slightest, we all have problems and urges but you don't see me trying to beat Glenn Beck over the head with a baseball bat.

Not all pedophiles are child molester some are haunted by their sexual atractions and some just snap from the psychological torment they inflict on themselves.

Please read my previous posts.

 

[Clearing the Eye]

The sheer degree of vile and disgusting comments in this thread give me the urge to leave.

I agree, it's fucked up. It even says "allegedly" in the title.

The most important word in the thread title was "allegedly".

The whole first page of the discussion, nobody seems to have noticed that word. And are instead just leaping to justify the murder. Wonderful community we have here.

Thank god a few people are noticing it. Have you read any of the sources? The only evidence suggesting the guy was molesting the girl, is the word of the father

I like to think I live in a civilized country and that many of the developed nations around me are also civil. But when something like this comes up and people decide for themselves the guilt and innocence of individuals based off them reading a post in a forum, and then cheer and congratulate a man for ending a life... I feel naive and let down.

 

[SUPA FRANKY]

Good.

Pedophiles psychologically murder their victims and each time one is put to death I feel like dancing.

Do I care that the pedophile is a human being with problems? Not in the slightest, we all have problems and urges but you don't see me trying to beat Glenn Beck over the head with a baseball bat.

Not all pedophiles are child molester some are haunted by their sexual atractions and some just snap from the psychological torment they inflict on themselves.

You know... I like girls too. Even girls that I'd never be able to get ( Age Difference, In a relationship, etc.)

I don't go forcing myself on them just because I can't get my way. Why should they? Psychological torment? LOL You know pleas of insanity usually are usually bullshit, right?

OT: It did say allegedly, but if the guy really did molest her, then I guess whats done is done. I mean, if someone tried to hurt my family members, I should have the right to do something about it, right?

 

[Troublesome Lagomorph]

Can't say I blame him. I'd probably do the same in his situation.

 

[Eclectic Dreck]

Should he be charged?

Depends on the facts of the situation. As presented, he was well within his rights to defend his daughter.

Was his response reasonable?

Again, as presented my answer is yes. He used an appropriate amount of force to halt the threat. Given the situation presented, bringing greater force to bear (which would otherwise be reasonable) would likely have placed the girl at risk. I generally trust that the bonded hollow points in my handgun would not penetrate the average person but I expect I'd hesitate to pull the trigger were it my daughter on the other side.

 

[Eclectic Dreck]

Right off the bat the ordeal seems sketchy, we're supposed to believe the man's word after he killed the only other credible witness in the situation?

His word alone is backed by a number of things in his favor: that there was no (obvious) evidence of motive save what he claims, that it took place on his property and that his claimed reason was defense of a person legally in his care.

I mean shouldn't there at least be a trial or something?

Generally speaking this sort of thing doesn't get a trial. For example, if someone were to burst into my apartment and I responded with lethal force, in many states (Texas included) I'd be in the clear baring some other circumstance. Cases of defense often rely on the simple question of "was there a reasonable avenue of retreat?". In my example, I get to execute my right to not retreat from my home and am allowed to defend it and any occupants under my care.

I feel people knee-jerk want to support him because he claims what the man did was horrible, but we've gotta be critical here.

Not really. If the facts are what the news says they are then there is no need for a trial. There should certainly be an investigation to determine what the facts of the case may be but barring some incredibly damning evidence, both the law and long precedent generally ensure no charges would be pressed. And, even if they were, you'd have to demonstrate that there was no threat to the child in order to get anything to stick.

 

[Syzygy23]

Seriously, why would someone mourn such a creature?

Maybe because of the unfortunate reality that the man couldn't conquer his demons and keep his issues under control? Maybe the fact that even if the guy tried to get help, he'd most likely be laughed away and shunned. Maybe because in the end, he is still someones family or their friend, and ultimately a human being?

I don't condemn the father at all, in fact I think he should receive no punishment for the defence of his child (a right all parents should have), but that doesn't mean the abuser is some soulless hellspawn creature with the only purpose to inflict suffering in this world.

Naturally we assume the worst about the molester, and if he is a repeat offender, then he pretty much is the hellspawn you mentioned, as that means his existence has only wrought the suffering and torment of others. If he doesn't have the moral center to realize that what he does is wrong, then he doesn't qualify for human rights.

 

[Torrasque]

I think a few people are under the assumption that the father tried or intended to kill his daughter's assailant, while the articles suggest the complete opposite.

I don't know what the father tried to do, but I am going to assume he reacted paternally to get his daughter out of harm, and to punish the guy who would dare harm his little princess. The guy could have had a broken nose and been unconscious, causing him to suffocate from his own blood, or he could have had a shattered larynx, I don't know the specifics of the man's injuries. I just know they caused his death, and the father did not mean to cause death, he was probably just reacting.

I like how most threads dealing with death bring up the death penalty, lol.

 

[Vuljatar]

Sounds like justice was served. And the world made a better place.

 

[Blade_125]

if I had a daughter and someone was molesting her you better believe I would deliver an ass kicking, but I would stop once the attacker was subdued.

I have to call bullshit.

For one, you have no child, and you have never been in that situation. So you have no idea what you might do if you found a man trying to defile your own flesh and blood daughter.

There are many reasonable people who will go to extremes to defend a child, its nature to defend your own.

So until you have a child, and gods forbid anything happen, you will NEVER know like you claim you do what you would do.

Maybe that is true, although I do know myself.

It isn't the point however. The point is what is right. Even if hypothetically I did go ape shit and beat someone to death who attacked my child it would still be wrong if the attacker stopped. It doesn't matter if emotion took over, it is still wrong, and that was my point.