Texas man kills man who allegedly sexually molested his daughter

[Blade_125]

"The father then allegedly punched the man in the head until he died, Harmon reported."

I can't find enough details yet, but this I find a bit troubling.

He completely was in his rights to defend his daughter, and if I had a daughter and someone was molesting her you better believe I would deliver an ass kicking, but I would stop once the attacker was subdued. Maybe the attacker didn't stop fighting back, maybe it was an unintentional hit to a vunerable spot. If that is the case then I agree no charges should be layed.

If on the other hand the father delivered 20 punches to the head and the child attacker had long since stopped fighting, well that is a different story.

We have to take the emotionout of this story. I have no sympathy for the attacker, even if the father used exsessive force, but it sets a dangerous precident if there is no investigation. We cannot allow vigilanties to go killing anyone they see as a threat. Even if it is obvious it allows fot the justification when guilt is not obvious.

I mean what would happen if some guy say a kid walking down the street who looked suspicious and was allowed to shoot said kid for that. That would be insane wouldn't it?

 

[MammothBlade]

Good.

I think I've posted before that I support the Death Penalty to a heavily regulated extent.

Seriously, why would someone mourn such a creature?

Out of a misguided and warped notion that such scum can be or should be rehabilitated, or the suggestion that society is to blame for their choice to give into such impulses. There is no place on planet Earth for this sort of person. They don't deserve a second chance.

However, there is one thing that everyone deserves, guilty or not. A fair trial, the assumption of innocent until proven guilty.

 

[spartan231490]

Good.

I think I've posted before that I support the Death Penalty to a heavily regulated extent.

Seriously, why would someone mourn such a creature?

This, if I ever caught a man doing something like that to a member of my family, he'd die slow, and I mean that with every fiber of my being.

From a less emotional stand-point, he wasn't using a lethal weapon, just his fists, so there should be no doubt as to the legality and rectitude of his actions in defending his daughters.

 

[spartan231490]

"The father then allegedly punched the man in the head until he died, Harmon reported."

I can't find enough details yet, but this I find a bit troubling.

He completely was in his rights to defend his daughter, and if I had a daughter and someone was molesting her you better believe I would deliver an ass kicking, but I would stop once the attacker was subdued. Maybe the attacker didn't stop fighting back, maybe it was an unintentional hit to a vunerable spot. If that is the case then I agree no charges should be layed.

If on the other hand the father delivered 20 punches to the head and the child attacker had long since stopped fighting, well that is a different story.

We have to take the emotionout of this story. I have no sympathy for the attacker, even if the father used exsessive force, but it sets a dangerous precident if there is no investigation. We cannot allow vigilanties to go killing anyone they see as a threat. Even if it is obvious it allows fot the justification when guilt is not obvious.

I mean what would happen if some guy say a kid walking down the street who looked suspicious and was allowed to shoot said kid for that. That would be insane wouldn't it?

The articles said that there is and investigation, including full autopsy and tox screen, the results of which will be delivered to a grand jury to make the final decision on whether or not to indict the father.

 

[Kingpopadopalus]

On some level, society had failed this man, he didn't get the help he needed to overcome his problem.

Indeed. I said in the other thread that it was a sad case all around, for all three individuals involved. It certainly isn't as black and white as most people would like to believe. Either out of sheer ignorance or simple denial.

People are very quick to abhor those who have committed such crimes without a thought as to why, beyond the standard hyperbolic 'soulless monster' schtick.

It's up to us, the thinkers, to question why.

So would you question why this man is molesting your daughter or would you shoot and kill him had you only those two options? Don't answer, I already know what anyone would do and if they say other wise their a liar. You should kill the man, the man who would ponder does not exist because as humans we are emotional by nature and will act on emotions quickly without thought.

This man was in the right and if the man who molested her was not strong enough of will to control himself then good riddance, humanity ill needs a man such as him in their society. Why would anyone defend those too weak to control themselves and their inner urges, it's the same with child molesters and pedophiles who get caught, they lost control and failed themselves. There is little doubt that a molestation instigator is not conscious of the consequences of his actions. I do hope that you 'Thinkers' as you so boldly and garishly name yourselves would actually think upon an issue before claiming that this man was failed by society for it is not societies job to keep his emotions in check, it is his job, it is all our jobs to keep ourselves in check when we are of mental stability and understand fully the consequences of our actions.

 

[Daystar Clarion]

On some level, society had failed this man, he didn't get the help he needed to overcome his problem.

Indeed. I said in the other thread that it was a sad case all around, for all three individuals involved. It certainly isn't as black and white as most people would like to believe. Either out of sheer ignorance or simple denial.

People are very quick to abhor those who have committed such crimes without a thought as to why, beyond the standard hyperbolic 'soulless monster' schtick.

It's up to us, the thinkers, to question why.

So would you question why this man is molesting your daughter or would you shoot and kill him had you only those two options? Don't answer, I already know what anyone would do and if they say other wise their a liar. You should kill the man, the man who would ponder does not exist because as humans we are emotional by nature and will act on emotions quickly without thought.

This man was in the right and if the man who molested her was not strong enough of will to control himself then good riddance, humanity ill needs a man such as him in their society. Why would anyone defend those too weak to control themselves and their inner urges, it's the same with child molesters and pedophiles who get caught, they lost control and failed themselves. There is little doubt that a molestation instigator is not conscious of the consequences of his actions. I do hope that you 'Thinkers' as you so boldly and garishly name yourselves would actually think upon an issue before claiming that this man was failed by society for it is not societies job to keep his emotions in check, it is his job, it is all our jobs to keep ourselves in check when we are of mental stability and understand fully the consequences of our actions.

I didn't say the father was in the wrong.

My post was more about addressing those who would label the perpetrator as a 'soulless monster', rather than as an opportunity to learn something.

Yes, we are all responsible for our own actions, but is up to society to help those who need the help.

At the moment, we live in a world where people such as those in the article, are more likely to be imprisoned upon seeking help, than actual help.

Now, should the man have turned himself in before he couldn't control himself any longer? Absolutely.

Should he be able to turn himself in without fear of punishment for doing the right thing? Absolutely.

Would a man, in this day and age, who turned himself in because he fears he may molest a child, be treated fairly? I doubt it.

Some men don't want to change, but there needs to be a system in place that doesn't punish those who do.

 

[him over there]

On some level, society had failed this man, he didn't get the help he needed to overcome his problem.

Indeed. I said in the other thread that it was a sad case all around, for all three individuals involved. It certainly isn't as black and white as most people would like to believe. Either out of sheer ignorance or simple denial.

People are very quick to abhor those who have committed such crimes without a thought as to why, beyond the standard hyperbolic 'soulless monster' schtick.

It's up to us, the thinkers, to question why.

but it is also up to the ones that are tempted to commit such things as to hold back their inner demons and seek help it they cant handle it.

While I agree that these individuals are of course partially responsible it isn't as simple as telling them to get help or to hold in their temptations. The very fact that they have these temptations is a sign that something may be mentally wrong with them, simply putting the entire responsibility of their temptations on them is like telling someone with clinical depression to cheer up, the fact they're mentally unwell means they most likely can't fight it. As for finding help? Society doesn't have a lot of outlets for helping these people, at least not effectively. Instead of being treated like tragic individuals who need help and should get it they are treated like pariahs and demonised for a problem they never asked for and are taking responsibility to fight.

 

[Kingpopadopalus]

On some level, society had failed this man, he didn't get the help he needed to overcome his problem.

Indeed. I said in the other thread that it was a sad case all around, for all three individuals involved. It certainly isn't as black and white as most people would like to believe. Either out of sheer ignorance or simple denial.

People are very quick to abhor those who have committed such crimes without a thought as to why, beyond the standard hyperbolic 'soulless monster' schtick.

It's up to us, the thinkers, to question why.

So would you question why this man is molesting your daughter or would you shoot and kill him had you only those two options? Don't answer, I already know what anyone would do and if they say other wise their a liar. You should kill the man, the man who would ponder does not exist because as humans we are emotional by nature and will act on emotions quickly without thought.

This man was in the right and if the man who molested her was not strong enough of will to control himself then good riddance, humanity ill needs a man such as him in their society. Why would anyone defend those too weak to control themselves and their inner urges, it's the same with child molesters and pedophiles who get caught, they lost control and failed themselves. There is little doubt that a molestation instigator is not conscious of the consequences of his actions. I do hope that you 'Thinkers' as you so boldly and garishly name yourselves would actually think upon an issue before claiming that this man was failed by society for it is not societies job to keep his emotions in check, it is his job, it is all our jobs to keep ourselves in check when we are of mental stability and understand fully the consequences of our actions.

I didn't say the shooter was in the wrong.

My post was more about addressing those who would label the perpetrator as a 'soulless monster', rather than as an opportunity to learn something.

Yes, we are all responsible for our own actions, but is up to society to help those who need the help.

At the moment, we live in a world where people such as those in the article, are more likely to be imprisoned upon seeking help, than actual help.

Yes it is but society can't help those who do not seek it or do not accept it. If he had honestly tried, he could have contained himself. I have little doubt of it because he was aware of what he did. However, those who seek help and honestly want it then yes we as a society have an obligation to help them.

Why don't people remember that killing makes more killing and suffering?

Nooooooooooo, if I kill someone they don't come back to kill me.Killing does not make more killing as the isolated occasion is done and over with.

Why must us humans be so dumb to not be able to forgive one another rather then driving a dagger into the persons back?

Forgiving does not work with humans, we are all animals at our basic level and switching between the two is as easy as flipping a switch in our brains, there's a reason you can have frontal cortex surgery to change how you act. It's because we are all able to be killers even those who say that they love peace and want no killing at all. If a killing instinct was introduced you can damn well assure that they will learn to kill. It is instinct and you cannot forget instinct.

Well, if we weren't stupid in the first place to invent killing in the first place I'm sure the world would be a different place.

We invented killing? Oh you. No we did not invent it, The micro organisms inside of every living creature created it back when life was brand new. They devoured and assimilated those that were in their way, even then the animals invented killing before us so your entire point in this part is invalid and really makes you look naive.

Even I have to admit as a fellow human that we are dumb for not learning these things.

I'll admit that you're either dumb or naive enough to believe what you're being indoctrinated to say by hippies and other pacifists that see humans as a bad thing.

But I guess it is human nature to do this. People go crazy and lose control over the darker side of themselves which relate to the beginning of time when we first did this and yadadada.

Now you're learning, good good.

But I still think killing is the worst path to go down. I mean sure...break a couple of legs but don't kill him. It just makes life worse.

Oh man, you were doing so good and then you walk into this hippy whiny bullshit. Killing is not always the right path but when it is you realize it and you react. It is not the worst, there is so much worse than killing. There is torture. There is keeping a human barely alive with minimal food and making them run until they give out. There is cutting U shapes in the skin and pulling it back with tongs. There is much worse than killing, compared to torture, killing is humane.

 

[Eamar]

A couple of general notes:

To those saying that the father's getting away with murder based purely on his word, while you may be right I find it really hard to believe that's the whole story. I could be wrong, but I imagine there is some sort of evidence to substantiate his claims, otherwise surely he'd have to be in custody? The girl was taken to hospital for a medical exam, for all we know there was physical evidence of the alleged molestation.

It's ironic how some of those getting angry at people for assuming the victim's guilt are themselves assuming the father is lying.

Secondly, to those talking about "revenge" he supposedly caught the victim in the act of trying to molest his daughter. Attacking someone in that situation is not tantamount to revenge, it's pretty much a reflex.

To be honest, no-one here has enough evidence to make an informed judgement. We can only speculate on the ethics of various hypothetical situations, which can be interesting in itself.

 

[Dfskelleton]

If he had no intention of killing him, and he was defending his daughter, then I fail to see why he should be charged. That is, if the alleged molestation of his daughter was true. We still don't know whether he actually did anything.

Although, as awful as it sounds, I would have probably killed him too. If I encountered a man doing something so vile to someone I loved, I would not hesitate to reduce the guy to a smear with my bare hands. I know it's the wrong thing to do, and I know that I would feel immense regret and sorrow afterwards, but witnessing such a thing would send me into a, for lack of a better term, frenzied rage. If someone was robbing my house or something like that, completely different story, but rape... no. I wouldn't stand for it.
Please know that I am not normally a violent person, and know that I can grasp what pressures could drive someone to commit such an act, but sexual assault is one of those things that I simply can't begin to bear.
And the worst part; I'm a Christian. I'm not supposed to believe in doing something like that. And yet, something tells me I would. I just have to hope that such a thing never comes to be.

 

[Frost27]

At last, someone has discovered the cure for pedophelia. The world just got a little brighter.

 

[RN7]

Personally I approve of the father's actions. Pedophiles serve no societal purpose and are generally worthless human beings. This one died. End of story.

That's what I would be saying if I single-mindedly stated my opinion and didn't look more than one side of the story. There's always the off-chance however the something could have possibly happened that would constitute a crime, besides the actual beating of the man to death. In situations like these I've seen people get charged for something when they fought and killed in self-defense before. I don't see much a problem here, but maybe the dad's actions were a bit a much. You'd be telling people that it'd be ok to murder someone if they did something harmful towards you - though personally I don't see a problem with killing if self-defense is involved, aside from the issue that it could be used as an excuse for an unjust murder. However, on the other hand, if the father did get charged with something, you'd be telling people that they'd have to restrict the manner in which they choose to defend themself.

 

[DocBalance]

I think people are trying to put logic and objectivity unto a situation that possesses neither. Objectively, killing is wrong. Logically, every life is worth saving. Objectively, this man should have lived.

However, subjectively, if I found a hypothetical man molesting my hypothetical daughter right inside my hypothetical home, heaving injury upon insult by taking advantage of my invitation and goodwill to commit this despicable act? The bastard isn't leaving alive. End of story, right, wrong, or indifferent, that is how the situation will pan out. Because in that moment, nothing else matters aside from protecting someone I love and sending a message to those who would abuse us.

 

[sethisjimmy]

Right off the bat the ordeal seems sketchy, we're supposed to believe the man's word after he killed the only other credible witness in the situation? I mean shouldn't there at least be a trial or something? I feel people knee-jerk want to support him because he claims what the man did was horrible, but we've gotta be critical here.

Especially when you hear about cases like Brian Banks, who was falsely accused of rape and spent a chunk of his life in jail.

This man could easily have murdered this man just because he didn't like him, yet he will get away with it because people sympathize with his horrible story.

I'm not saying treat the man like a criminal or automatically condemn him, but at least do something, give him a trial, let a jury decide what he's guilty of. At the very least that'll give people some time to calm down and assess the situation like normal human beings.

 

[Meight08]

Good.

Pedophiles psychologically murder their victims and each time one is put to death I feel like dancing.

Do I care that the pedophile is a human being with problems? Not in the slightest, we all have problems and urges but you don't see me trying to beat Glenn Beck over the head with a baseball bat.

Not all pedophiles are child molester some are haunted by their sexual atractions and some just snap from the psychological torment they inflict on themselves.

 

[Devil_Worshipper]

Courts, objective morality, justice. All nice ideas until someone tries to harm someone you love. Then it's law of the jungle.