Texas man kills man who allegedly sexually molested his daughter

[malestrithe]

I praise him for protecting his child, but he should still face jail time. No matter how it's justified, he still took a man's life and needs be tried in front of a jury. Whatever time he spends waiting for trial will be sufficient, as I'm fairly certain that no jury would convict him.

 

[Redryhno]

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You know good and well what he's saying. So quit coming up with half-baked excuses like mental illness being too ambiguous of a term to define. The guy that ritualistically skins his victims alive most likely doesn't do it because of PTSD, he doesn't do it because his mother told him no too many times as a kid, and if he did it because of a schizophrenic episode in which his morals are forgotten and he has the urge to kill, then he probably doesn't deserve to keep living while people with your "morals" try to treat him. If he reverts back to his real self and is horrified at what he did, most people won't want to live with themselves after that anyways.

Anyone that kills/rapes/hurts/etc. multiple people either needs to be put in a dark hole and forgotten for the rest of their lives, or killed within a reasonable time limit of their trial(A year should be the max, not endless appeals that do nothing but prolong the inevitable). These people don't need treatment, if they've been doing it for any amount of time, there is no helping them and all you're doing is wasting time,effort, and money into "rehabilitating" an un-rehabilitable person. Your whole moral grounds depend on these people being able to be helped, and only the most optimistic and naive would actually think that a murderer of twenty by ritualistic skinning alive whilst having the whole thing recorded can be "helped".

By keeping them alive, you're basically saying that it's ok to do this kind of stuff because they get: hot meals for the rest of their lives, a place to sleep with no rent, most likely they're by themselves to protect the rest of the prison population, a hospital within throwing distance, a library filled with books on various subjects and the ability to have books mailed to you, and all they have to do is go into some room with someone trying to "cure" them so they can be inserted back into society a few times a week. Sure, fine, they're not a "threat to people" anymore, but come on, do you want your money used keeping this person in good health,home,and hearth, or would you rather it be used for a quick solution that benefits everyone involved? The guy doesn't have to sit in a jail cell for the rest of his life, the family('s) get some kind of permanent closure, and while the people they killed are still dead, at least they don't have to worry about the one that killed them(quite drawn out and painful, remember) getting pampered the rest of their lives.

 

[Riff Moonraker]

Yes, let's all cheer for the death of a man whom may well be innocent of any crime, before we know all the facts -_-

Some times I almost hate the society we live in. Trial by media and such.

We've got people here actually happy with the thought a human being dying. Not only do they not know all the facts, not only could the dead man have been completely innocent, they apparently think it's a good thing the man, if he was actually molesting the girl, is dead. Not like I would expect civilized people living in a developed world to be sad that this event took place. No, no, let's all say how great it is that someone lost their life. Yay! How exciting! It's such a good thing that a little girl may have been molested and a man's life ended. I'm so glad he didn't get caught before hurting her and sent to prison and given psychiatric help!

I'm ashamed to even be apart of this community. We preach how good we are as a people and go on and on about how much better we are than other parts of the world, then some of you break out the champagne when a life is lost.

Sickening.

IF true, and the guy was molesting the girl, which the news doesnt say anything about allegedly, they outright say it was happening, then yeah... I have no pity on him whatsoever. Let me put it this way, there are plenty of people out there who havent had a fair shake in life, but they are able to control themselves to the point where they dont go out and inflict horrendous acts on other people. So I absolutely do not buy into the whole "society failed them" crap. Its their responsibility to behave in an appropriate manner.

I dont care WHAT another human beings issues are, if they touched my child, they will die by my hand. I will make sure they dont have another chance to do it to anyone else ever again. So yeah, if thats what happened, I commend the father for protecting his child.

That's because most news sites are useless. There's been no trial and the single shred of reason we have to think he was molesting the young girl is this:

"There doesn't appear to be any reason other than what he told us." - A police officer.

That's right. The only reason the man is assumed to have been molesting the girl is because his murderer said so. That's it. Nothing more. So congratulations on reading a forum post and assuming a man deserved to die because his murderer tells us he did.

Also, if you actually read more than one source - "Texas father kills man who allegedly sexually molested daughter" - http://www.digitaljournal.com/article/326581

If they prove the guy was innocent, obviously that changes things. But, as it stands right now, it appears that this guy was molesting the child. If true, he doesnt deserve any sort of "rights" at all. Period. To me, a person that would do something like this deserves no such rights, and is nothing more than an inhuman monster that needs to be removed permanently. And no, I didnt read the other articles that were put up in this post because I read several on it already days ago when it first hit the news.

This will be investigated, and I assure you they will let us know what they find. Unless they come back and say this guy really didnt do this, and was innocent, my thoughts will not change.

 

[Clearing the Eye]

Yes, let's all cheer for the death of a man whom may well be innocent of any crime, before we know all the facts -_-

Some times I almost hate the society we live in. Trial by media and such.

We've got people here actually happy with the thought a human being dying. Not only do they not know all the facts, not only could the dead man have been completely innocent, they apparently think it's a good thing the man, if he was actually molesting the girl, is dead. Not like I would expect civilized people living in a developed world to be sad that this event took place. No, no, let's all say how great it is that someone lost their life. Yay! How exciting! It's such a good thing that a little girl may have been molested and a man's life ended. I'm so glad he didn't get caught before hurting her and sent to prison and given psychiatric help!

I'm ashamed to even be apart of this community. We preach how good we are as a people and go on and on about how much better we are than other parts of the world, then some of you break out the champagne when a life is lost.

Sickening.

IF true, and the guy was molesting the girl, which the news doesnt say anything about allegedly, they outright say it was happening, then yeah... I have no pity on him whatsoever. Let me put it this way, there are plenty of people out there who havent had a fair shake in life, but they are able to control themselves to the point where they dont go out and inflict horrendous acts on other people. So I absolutely do not buy into the whole "society failed them" crap. Its their responsibility to behave in an appropriate manner.

I dont care WHAT another human beings issues are, if they touched my child, they will die by my hand. I will make sure they dont have another chance to do it to anyone else ever again. So yeah, if thats what happened, I commend the father for protecting his child.

That's because most news sites are useless. There's been no trial and the single shred of reason we have to think he was molesting the young girl is this:

"There doesn't appear to be any reason other than what he told us." - A police officer.

That's right. The only reason the man is assumed to have been molesting the girl is because his murderer said so. That's it. Nothing more. So congratulations on reading a forum post and assuming a man deserved to die because his murderer tells us he did.

Also, if you actually read more than one source - "Texas father kills man who allegedly sexually molested daughter" - http://www.digitaljournal.com/article/326581

If they prove the guy was innocent, obviously that changes things. But, as it stands right now, it appears that this guy was molesting the child. If true, he doesnt deserve any sort of "rights" at all. Period. To me, a person that would do something like this deserves no such rights, and is nothing more than an inhuman monster that needs to be removed permanently. And no, I didnt read the other articles that were put up in this post because I read several on it already days ago when it first hit the news.

This will be investigated, and I assure you they will let us know what they find. Unless they come back and say this guy really didnt do this, and was innocent, my thoughts will not change.

Ah. I see. So you're going to assume the man who murdered the guy is telling the truth based off... just him saying it.

Wise. Always best to just believe whatever someone says. Remaining unbiased and objective until you have all the facts is just stupid. Why not read a forum comment and make your statements now. Waiting for the justice system to investigate crimes before you decide the truth is just silly.

Hell, I might go murder someone now and say they tried to rape me. No reason to doubt me, huh!

 

[Riff Moonraker]

Yes, let's all cheer for the death of a man whom may well be innocent of any crime, before we know all the facts -_-

Some times I almost hate the society we live in. Trial by media and such.

We've got people here actually happy with the thought a human being dying. Not only do they not know all the facts, not only could the dead man have been completely innocent, they apparently think it's a good thing the man, if he was actually molesting the girl, is dead. Not like I would expect civilized people living in a developed world to be sad that this event took place. No, no, let's all say how great it is that someone lost their life. Yay! How exciting! It's such a good thing that a little girl may have been molested and a man's life ended. I'm so glad he didn't get caught before hurting her and sent to prison and given psychiatric help!

I'm ashamed to even be apart of this community. We preach how good we are as a people and go on and on about how much better we are than other parts of the world, then some of you break out the champagne when a life is lost.

Sickening.

IF true, and the guy was molesting the girl, which the news doesnt say anything about allegedly, they outright say it was happening, then yeah... I have no pity on him whatsoever. Let me put it this way, there are plenty of people out there who havent had a fair shake in life, but they are able to control themselves to the point where they dont go out and inflict horrendous acts on other people. So I absolutely do not buy into the whole "society failed them" crap. Its their responsibility to behave in an appropriate manner.

I dont care WHAT another human beings issues are, if they touched my child, they will die by my hand. I will make sure they dont have another chance to do it to anyone else ever again. So yeah, if thats what happened, I commend the father for protecting his child.

That's because most news sites are useless. There's been no trial and the single shred of reason we have to think he was molesting the young girl is this:

"There doesn't appear to be any reason other than what he told us." - A police officer.

That's right. The only reason the man is assumed to have been molesting the girl is because his murderer said so. That's it. Nothing more. So congratulations on reading a forum post and assuming a man deserved to die because his murderer tells us he did.

Also, if you actually read more than one source - "Texas father kills man who allegedly sexually molested daughter" - http://www.digitaljournal.com/article/326581

If they prove the guy was innocent, obviously that changes things. But, as it stands right now, it appears that this guy was molesting the child. If true, he doesnt deserve any sort of "rights" at all. Period. To me, a person that would do something like this deserves no such rights, and is nothing more than an inhuman monster that needs to be removed permanently. And no, I didnt read the other articles that were put up in this post because I read several on it already days ago when it first hit the news.

This will be investigated, and I assure you they will let us know what they find. Unless they come back and say this guy really didnt do this, and was innocent, my thoughts will not change.

Ah. I see. So you're going to assume the man who murdered the guy is telling the truth based off... just him saying it.

Wise. Always best to just believe whatever someone says. Remaining unbiased and objective until you have all the facts is just stupid. Why not read a forum comment and make your statements now. Waiting for the justice system to investigate crimes before you decide the truth is just silly.

Hell, I might go murder someone now and say they tried to rape me. No reason to doubt me, huh!

Sure, why not.

Let me try to clarify for you... if I was in that guys shoes, and saw that... I would have killed the guy, too. I wouldnt wait for a damn court to say he was guilty, I would rid the world of him right then and there.

So, going by your approach, would you have us lock this father up and assume the monster was innocent, and that the real monster was the father that was protecting his child? Yeah, THATS a fantastic idea.

I will say this once more, unless they come back and say that the guy was innocent, I completely agree with what the father did.

 

[Sunrider]

I don't know anything about it, but if he is guilty, then good riddance. Best way to get rid of trash like that.
If he wasn't guilty, that sucks. Not much else to say about it, with the situation being what it is.

 

[Clearing the Eye]

Yes, let's all cheer for the death of a man whom may well be innocent of any crime, before we know all the facts -_-

Some times I almost hate the society we live in. Trial by media and such.

We've got people here actually happy with the thought a human being dying. Not only do they not know all the facts, not only could the dead man have been completely innocent, they apparently think it's a good thing the man, if he was actually molesting the girl, is dead. Not like I would expect civilized people living in a developed world to be sad that this event took place. No, no, let's all say how great it is that someone lost their life. Yay! How exciting! It's such a good thing that a little girl may have been molested and a man's life ended. I'm so glad he didn't get caught before hurting her and sent to prison and given psychiatric help!

I'm ashamed to even be apart of this community. We preach how good we are as a people and go on and on about how much better we are than other parts of the world, then some of you break out the champagne when a life is lost.

Sickening.

IF true, and the guy was molesting the girl, which the news doesnt say anything about allegedly, they outright say it was happening, then yeah... I have no pity on him whatsoever. Let me put it this way, there are plenty of people out there who havent had a fair shake in life, but they are able to control themselves to the point where they dont go out and inflict horrendous acts on other people. So I absolutely do not buy into the whole "society failed them" crap. Its their responsibility to behave in an appropriate manner.

I dont care WHAT another human beings issues are, if they touched my child, they will die by my hand. I will make sure they dont have another chance to do it to anyone else ever again. So yeah, if thats what happened, I commend the father for protecting his child.

That's because most news sites are useless. There's been no trial and the single shred of reason we have to think he was molesting the young girl is this:

"There doesn't appear to be any reason other than what he told us." - A police officer.

That's right. The only reason the man is assumed to have been molesting the girl is because his murderer said so. That's it. Nothing more. So congratulations on reading a forum post and assuming a man deserved to die because his murderer tells us he did.

Also, if you actually read more than one source - "Texas father kills man who allegedly sexually molested daughter" - http://www.digitaljournal.com/article/326581

If they prove the guy was innocent, obviously that changes things. But, as it stands right now, it appears that this guy was molesting the child. If true, he doesnt deserve any sort of "rights" at all. Period. To me, a person that would do something like this deserves no such rights, and is nothing more than an inhuman monster that needs to be removed permanently. And no, I didnt read the other articles that were put up in this post because I read several on it already days ago when it first hit the news.

This will be investigated, and I assure you they will let us know what they find. Unless they come back and say this guy really didnt do this, and was innocent, my thoughts will not change.

Ah. I see. So you're going to assume the man who murdered the guy is telling the truth based off... just him saying it.

Wise. Always best to just believe whatever someone says. Remaining unbiased and objective until you have all the facts is just stupid. Why not read a forum comment and make your statements now. Waiting for the justice system to investigate crimes before you decide the truth is just silly.

Hell, I might go murder someone now and say they tried to rape me. No reason to doubt me, huh!

Sure, why not.

Let me try to clarify for you... if I was in that guys shoes, and saw that... I would have killed the guy, too. I wouldnt wait for a damn court to say he was guilty, I would rid the world of him right then and there.

So, going by your approach, would you have us lock this father up and assume the monster was innocent, and that the real monster was the father that was protecting his child? Yeah, THATS a fantastic idea.

I will say this once more, unless they come back and say that the guy was innocent, I completely agree with what the father did.

You are missing the entire point by leaps and bounds.

The only evidence we have that the dead man was even near the girl is the father saying he was. That's it. For all you know, the victim was in the toilet taking a leak. You're taking a stranger's word for it that someone abused his daughter and that's why he murdered someone. Rather than remain objective and wait to see if the guy was actually harming the girl or if the father simply murdered him for god knows what reason (maybe he fucked his wife, maybe he didn't like him, maybe he thought the guy stole form him--who knows), you've decided to believe the word of the guy who admits to killing him.

Cool, so according to your logic, I can go murder a stranger now and say she tried to rape me. You would believe me and fervently say she deserved, just like in this thread, yeah?

Absurd.

 

[Rowan93]

The most important word in the thread title was "allegedly".

The whole first page of the discussion, nobody seems to have noticed that word. And are instead just leaping to justify the murder. Wonderful community we have here.

 

[ThePenguinKnight]

Good.

Pedophiles psychologically murder their victims and each time one is put to death I feel like dancing.

Do I care that the pedophile is a human being with problems? Not in the slightest, we all have problems and urges but you don't see me trying to beat Glenn Beck over the head with a baseball bat.

 

[MyNameIsNowNotMyName]

Seriously, why would someone mourn such a creature?

Maybe because of the unfortunate reality that the man couldn't conquer his demons and keep his issues under control? Maybe the fact that even if the guy tried to get help, he'd most likely be laughed away and shunned. Maybe because in the end, he is still someones family or their friend, and ultimately a human being?

I don't condemn the father at all, in fact I think he should receive no punishment for the defence of his child (a right all parents should have), but that doesn't mean the abuser is some soulless hellspawn creature with the only purpose to inflict suffering in this world.

This.

As much as I understand what the father did (When it looked like I was going to be a dad I became a very different, much more protective person) I will defend the right of a sex offender to not be killed for who they are.

Yeah, its grim, its bad, their actions are not by any stretch of the imagination ok. But, with many people, they should not be treated as monsters, they are just the way they are. They should be able to get help, first and foremost. I am against the death penalty on moral grounds (I do not think anyone has the right to make the judgement that another human should no longer live) but I am ok with situations like this, a father defending their child or accidentally killing someone in a blind rage because of their actions.

I know if someone had attempted to hurt my ex-fiance whilst she was with child I would have stopped them by any means necessary. Hell, I almost assaulted a cop once because I believed he was overstepping his mark.

I am very conflicted, as should be rather evident.

State sponsored murder is not ok. But a man or woman should always have the right to defend their family and home. Within reason.

There was a case in the UK of someone shooting (You can own guns in the UK, lots of people forget this) a thief in the back. The guy was trying to run away. The man in question was done for murder. I am all for that conviction.

Yet an old woman was successfully charged with assault for breaking someones hand with a hammer because he was trying to unlatch her door (She had left the chain on) and I am against that.

Man, I am getting off topic.

I do not condemn what this man did. But I do not think that all sex offenders are horrible people who should be lynched. In my eyes they are people who need help, all crimes are a product of society on some level, any death is regrettable.

Alright, I think I'm getting the wrong vibe from your post but... Are you saying that sexual offenders can be offenders and should not be killed unless within the act...? I dunno, what I just said probably sounds dumb... but could you just tell me WHAT DOES IT MEAN!?

 

[MyNameIsNowNotMyName]

Why don't people remember that killing makes more killing and suffering?

Why must us humans be so dumb to not be able to forgive one another rather then driving a dagger into the persons back?

Well, if we weren't stupid in the first place to invent killing in the first place I'm sure the world would be a different place.

Even I have to admit as a fellow human that we are dumb for not learning these things.

But I guess it is human nature to do this. People go crazy and lose control over the darker side of themselves which relate to the beginning of time when we first did this and yadadada.

But I still think killing is the worst path to go down. I mean sure...break a couple of legs but don't kill him. It just makes life worse.

Our opinions are quite different... but unless you can do anything else... Killing sometimes kinda needs to happen. Sometimes, I think there is a time and place where killing is perfectly acceptable. I think that what this man did was perfectly justifiable. If this had happened to my daughter (in theory, I don't have one truly) if it was the quickest option, I wouldn't give it a second thought.

 

[ThePenguinKnight]

Good.

Pedophiles psychologically murder their victims and each time one is put to death I feel like dancing.

Do I care that the pedophile is a human being with problems? Not in the slightest, we all have problems and urges but you don't see me trying to beat Glenn Beck over the head with a baseball bat.

Molesters. Not all pedophiles molest children or participate in acts which involved child abuse in previous stages.

Ok, child molesters.

 

[MyNameIsNowNotMyName]

If the victim was truly a pedophile, then I'd say good riddance. However:

"Lavaca County Sheriff Micah Harmon said the father, whose name has not been released, is unlikely to be arrested for Saturday's killing and that no evidence so far has led investigators to doubt his story.
"There doesn't appear to be any reason other than what he told us," Harmon said."

That is absolutely disgusting. So the victim is apparently guilty, based on the word of a man who killed him, with no evidence besides "why else would he have done it"?
To summarize, the father is getting away with murder because he claimed the man was attempting to molest his daughter, and the only evidence to support that claim is his own word? That's fucked up.

Welcome to this forum. A lot of people here like to read half an OP and then assume they know all the facts. Here at the Escapist, the thread title is enough to convince someone you're telling the truth.

The sheer degree of vile and disgusting comments in this thread give me the urge to leave.

Sure, this isn't perfect case, but if he's telling the truth, he SHOULD BE JUDGED APPROPRIATELY. See, that's what a court of laws is for. That's the point of a jury, sure it my not be perfect, but not every case has case breaking evidence. People have to judge with what they have, and I'm quite sure you don't have more then anyone else. I'm not saying that he shouldn't be held in custody and go to court if he may have done it for the completely different reason, which with what the media's presenting, he may very well could've. Working with what we have may not be perfect, but it's the best way we have, and people should judge that way, combined with evidence. Damn I suck at staying on-topic. I'm just saying that sometimes the "facts" aren't always there, and you need to work with what little you have.
EDIT: Oh, and be reasonable. Sorry, forgot that part.

 

[Frozen Donkey Wheel2]

Good riddance, we don't need anymore scum like that then we already have.

I will defer you to the quote below, because this guy put it better then I ever could.

Seriously, why would someone mourn such a creature?

Maybe because of the unfortunate reality that the man couldn't conquer his demons and keep his issues under control? Maybe the fact that even if the guy tried to get help, he'd most likely be laughed away and shunned. Maybe because in the end, he is still someones family or their friend, and ultimately a human being?

I don't condemn the father at all, in fact I think he should receive no punishment for the defence of his child (a right all parents should have), but that doesn't mean the abuser is some soulless hellspawn creature with the only purpose to inflict suffering in this world.

I'm amazed by how many people still seem to believe that pedophiles are inhuman monsters who just enjoy causing pain. They are human beings, and they're born that way. Put simply, he didn't do it because he just ENJOYED causing pain, he did it because THERE WAS SOMETHING PHYSICALLY WRONG WITH HIM.

It's like you people are from the Dark Ages. I, like the person above, do not condemn the father's actions, and I think no charges should be pressed, but that doesn't stop this whole thing from being quite a tragedy.