Texas schools pass out tickets instead of detention slips
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That's a great idea, have they started making them hile yet too?
How is fining some one for misbehaving in class a good idea?!
Does Texa really have a section in its law code defining proper edicate in schools?
Expell them, send them to denetion, but handing out tickets for being disruptive is an awful idea
How is fining some one for misbehaving in class a good idea?!
Does Texa really have a section in its law code defining proper edicate in schools?
Expell them, send them to denetion, but handing out tickets for being disruptive is an awful idea
Honestly, fining children is only going to cause grief for the parents. However, if the fines were for community/school service, it would be a good idea. It would instill a sense of right vs wrong more prominently than what would be a vague and mysterious monetary fine that would have no bearing on a child who doesn't understand currency. I do think they're taking it too far in giving out tickets for "Misbehaving on the Bus" and "Profanity", but overall I do think the idea has merit.
Also, teachers ARE disciplinarians as well as instructors. Teachers can hand out detentions, etc. They have certain powers of discipline, it just depends on the teacher and school board, just how much EFFECTIVE power they have. A stern teacher that carries themselves properly will not be disobeyed.
Also, teachers DO spend more time with your children between the ages of 5 and 17 than parents do, and that's something I think most people tend to forget in this day and age. This actually creates a rift between parent and child that doesn't end up being bridged easily. Compound that with the fact that many parents work even while their children are at home, giving parents even LESS time with their children to help raise them. Like it or not teachers, your job IS raising children to be respectable members of society. You are CO-RAISING these children. Many parents are shirking their jobs, and don't do anything to raise their children and that IS a problem. But people, especially teachers, often say that it isn't their job to raise the children. Yes, it IS. Most classes start between 8 and 9 am, and don't end until 3 or 4 pm, depending on the school. So let's break down an average child's day.
An hour for lunch, and 20-30 minutes for recess, that means a minimum of 4 and a half hours a day and a maximum of 6 hours 40 minutes a day with teachers. Most schools being somewhere in the middle of these figures. So we'll say 5 and a half hours a day are spent in the teacher's care. That leaves 18 and a half hours left in the day. Children need more sleep than the average adult, so we'll give 10 hours a day to sleep. They like to play with their friends, we'll give 3 hours to that. There's homework, we'll give approximately 2 hours for that (averaging projects plus normal daily stuff), and I'd say that's underestimating. Lunch, and Recess, which is about an hour and a half. 18.5 hours left in a day, 1.5 for lunch and recess leaves 17. 10 hours for sleep leaves 7 hours, 2 hours for homework, 3 hours for playing with friends, leaves 2 hours A DAY. And if we include morning routine, supper, the possibility of the parents working during times when the child isn't in school, that reduces the time significantly. Even if the child spends only an hour with friends, that still leaves 5 hours or LESS with the parents per day. Yes, parents can help with homework and etc, but the point still stands. Teachers spend a LOT more time with children than their parents.
TL;DR, Idea has merit, but should be some sort of service. Teachers spend more time with children than parents do once school begins. Parents and teachers co-raise today's children. Teachers, it IS your job to raise children and be a disciplinarian. Parents do shirk their duties, but so do teachers, leaving children to raise themselves.
Also, teachers ARE disciplinarians as well as instructors. Teachers can hand out detentions, etc. They have certain powers of discipline, it just depends on the teacher and school board, just how much EFFECTIVE power they have. A stern teacher that carries themselves properly will not be disobeyed.
Also, teachers DO spend more time with your children between the ages of 5 and 17 than parents do, and that's something I think most people tend to forget in this day and age. This actually creates a rift between parent and child that doesn't end up being bridged easily. Compound that with the fact that many parents work even while their children are at home, giving parents even LESS time with their children to help raise them. Like it or not teachers, your job IS raising children to be respectable members of society. You are CO-RAISING these children. Many parents are shirking their jobs, and don't do anything to raise their children and that IS a problem. But people, especially teachers, often say that it isn't their job to raise the children. Yes, it IS. Most classes start between 8 and 9 am, and don't end until 3 or 4 pm, depending on the school. So let's break down an average child's day.
An hour for lunch, and 20-30 minutes for recess, that means a minimum of 4 and a half hours a day and a maximum of 6 hours 40 minutes a day with teachers. Most schools being somewhere in the middle of these figures. So we'll say 5 and a half hours a day are spent in the teacher's care. That leaves 18 and a half hours left in the day. Children need more sleep than the average adult, so we'll give 10 hours a day to sleep. They like to play with their friends, we'll give 3 hours to that. There's homework, we'll give approximately 2 hours for that (averaging projects plus normal daily stuff), and I'd say that's underestimating. Lunch, and Recess, which is about an hour and a half. 18.5 hours left in a day, 1.5 for lunch and recess leaves 17. 10 hours for sleep leaves 7 hours, 2 hours for homework, 3 hours for playing with friends, leaves 2 hours A DAY. And if we include morning routine, supper, the possibility of the parents working during times when the child isn't in school, that reduces the time significantly. Even if the child spends only an hour with friends, that still leaves 5 hours or LESS with the parents per day. Yes, parents can help with homework and etc, but the point still stands. Teachers spend a LOT more time with children than their parents.
TL;DR, Idea has merit, but should be some sort of service. Teachers spend more time with children than parents do once school begins. Parents and teachers co-raise today's children. Teachers, it IS your job to raise children and be a disciplinarian. Parents do shirk their duties, but so do teachers, leaving children to raise themselves.
We prosecute 14 year olds as well depending on the crime such as arson, murder, and rape, and if they are lucky they can be tried as an adult. Fun times had by all. The youngest person so far that had be ticketed is a six year old. I have not heard of anyone younger being ticketed yet.Nikolaz72 said:
We are already a police state. Now the TSA can conduct x-ray scans on you for airport security, and if you don't want to do that they can grope you. In my area they do this at least.Garak73 said:
I think it depends on the case and the severity of the offense.Canid117 said:
If we're at the point where parents expect teachers to raise their children for them, that just opens the doors for someone to become a teacher just to raise the next generation of secret assassins or space marines. What's to stop a teacher from raising our children to be fanatical Paladins?
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In the economy we're in, this idea is complete bullshit and wholly unfair. The parents are the ones getting punished here, for one thing. Secondly, I don't know many families that wouldn't get their asses handed to them by a $500 ticket. Perhaps if everyone were rich, I'd be OK with this.
Seriously though, this isn't going to prevent kids from being a pain in the ass. This ticket business doesn't affect them directly so much as it does their parents, and the whole courtroom thing is just silly. Why would you need to put an eight-year old on trial for telling someone to fuck off?
TL;DR: No. Just no.
Seriously though, this isn't going to prevent kids from being a pain in the ass. This ticket business doesn't affect them directly so much as it does their parents, and the whole courtroom thing is just silly. Why would you need to put an eight-year old on trial for telling someone to fuck off?
TL;DR: No. Just no.
As experience from a teenager in the Fort Worth ISD school system..Pojo-san said:
The kids who I know get ticketed don't care, and their parents don't care, it rarely ever changes anything with their behavior.. Even then being ticketed is just used to scare the kids, they usually just get a shit load of infractions instead..
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Why ticket? just remove the stigma from a solid paddling.
I'll be damned if a good smacking across the chops didn't straighten me up with a quickness as a kid.
I'll be damned if a good smacking across the chops didn't straighten me up with a quickness as a kid.
Elementary: As is. Given them a break, they're 10
Junior High: Community service. Because someone has to do it.
High School: Tickets ought to be issued. It's time to grow up.
Junior High: Community service. Because someone has to do it.
High School: Tickets ought to be issued. It's time to grow up.
It's a bad idea. 10 year olds don't have jobs, so tickets really only punish the parents. With some parents, tickets would mean zero punishment for the kid. I went to a high school that gave out fines. There were kids with hundreds of dollars in fines and they'd still get in trouble every day. Just like the fines at my highschool, this is just a money scheme.
I don't think this would work, mainly because in order for the child to get anything out of it, they would have to get a chain reaction from seeing their parents suffer...
And THAT depends on how much money the parent has, rich parents can just shrug it off.
This really punishes the parent more than the child, and some children won't care.
And THAT depends on how much money the parent has, rich parents can just shrug it off.
This really punishes the parent more than the child, and some children won't care.
Really? A ticket, I think thats just dumb, and stick with detentions, and if the kids dont care, wait til they graduate, and rot in the real world.