"That's not cheating" - A Pokemon arguement

[Discord]

However, just like tradeing; cheating is also a form of getting the pokemon that players desire. But the question is not is cheating arguably wrong or right; but what drove players to do so? Perhaps it was the Arbitrary steps for players to acquire the pokemon they want? Or maybe it was the choice to only make certain pokemon available by method of an unnecessary form of Pokemon/GameStop DLC?

Probably the same thing that drives people to rob banks. The feeling that they should be handed whatever it is they want, the rules and structure of the world they're inhabiting bedamned. Obviously, no, cheating for a Pokemon is not the same as robbing a bank, but the same sense of entitlement is there, even if just on a smaller scale. There are perfectly legitimate ways to get the Pokemon. If you don't want to go through those steps, that's your decision. But pretending that it is anything other than entitlement and impatience is lying to yourself and everyone else.

Noted - But for the Arguement sake; I for one AM NOT in favor of cheating (And Besides when it comes right down to it; it is just a silly game) Never have been. But in my opinion The ?In Store? DLC thing that is going on now (the whole deal to get the special pokmon) is getting a bit absurd and I digress off that subject only because this is not the thread for discussion on that topic.

A bit more so on topic; By your words (I gather) Those that cheat to get whatever pokemon they like are fulfilling some state of entitlement and being impatience. Well it is there game, assuming they paid for it and by god they will play the game as they see fit. It really has nothing to do with entitlement; they have the means and the resources so they will get 100 Pikachu?s because that?s how they have fun with something in there control and at the end of the day thats what ALL this is about; CONTROL. For cheaters and normal pokemon players; how much control I have over these digital beings, Normal players Want it, Cheaters want it but they are alittle bit faster on getting it.

Entitlement? No
Impatience? I will agree with you, Yes it is impatient.

 

[Terminate421]

At least answer me this, How is Scolipede ugly?

By the way, its not bad to 'cheat', I just think it takes the spirit out of the game

Besides, go ahead and actually play Black and White with only the 5th gen pokemon, you may see ones you don't like but just remember, they are so much better than Mr. Mime or Jynx

I should also mention my favorite Generations are the 4th and 2nd ones. And I do feel as well that Dream World has screwed with the metagame quite a bit, particullarly with my still Favorite Pokemon Empoloeon, (Why give him competitive spirit? Gamefreak, give him Intimidate! He needs it!)

 

[Wintermoot]

I think it,s comparable to data recovery (you already own them so it,s fair)

 

[Dreiko_v1legacy]

It's cheating, plain and simple you're not supposed to have everything in every pokemon game, if you don't live where events happen you're not supposed to have those pokemon. It's simple really, every time you cheat to get them you lessen their value, you're making the legendary and highly esteemed pokes just another ratata or zubat, which is harmful on a philosophical level. Same with shiny pokemon.

 

[AtheistAndProud]

On the one hand, I like to play through each Pokémon game cold. No ev training, no breeding, no running to Smogon to check tiers. Just me and my pokes, training and evolving together. Don't hack and then breeze through with a level 100 Typhlosion. It's...it's just wrong.
On the other hand, once you've beaten the game and set your sights on wifi battling, feel free to hack, sensibly.
If your game dies and takes your Pokémon with it, you're entitled to take them back.
As long as you don't cheat and make wondertombs, or Machamp with sheer cold, what's the problem?
You could spend forever IV/nature breeding a Cyndaquil, then EV training it, finding TMs, leveling it up, and THEN use it, or you can hack slightly and get exactly the same Pokémon in minutes. There's no difference, and now you can spend more time battling and, y'know, actually having fun.

My point is this:
Using an AR to make Pokes that you could hypothetically make by yourself is fine.
It's just a way to save time.
Using it to make Pokes that have no right existing (Hello, Wondertomb) is absolutely downright wrong.
What you describe isn't so much cheating as it is fast-forwarding.

 

[Onyx Oblivion]

Yes, it is. I wouldn't even use AR for perfect IVs, yet alone a new early game team. Not legit!

 

[Flare Phoenix]

Yes, it is cheating. It's like if someone lost their wallet and decided to rob a bank to compensate the money they lost. You can see the logic behind it, but it'd still be wrong. At the very least you should beat the game's story first.

 

[AgentNein]

Using something to get back the Pokemon you lossed with a damaged cart isn't a whole lot different than me d/ling an album that I bought but broke.

Your friend is a turd. I suggest telling him so.

 

[Altorin]

It's cheating, but the question isn't "is it cheating?" the question is, does it bother you.

Do you need to tell yourself it's not cheating to be ok with doing it? Then tell yourself that, but if you're asking if using an Action Replay device to hack your save to get things that in that save you didn't earn, it's cheating.

I personally see nothing wrong with that, but I don't have a hardline AGAINST cheating. I try not to do it as it ruins my own fun, and I abhor it in multiplayer games as that's just low, but besides those two things, I have no problem with cheating. I utilize glitches and hacks in a game if it doesn't ruin the experience for me.

 

[The Rookie Gamer]

From my viewpoint, as long as you make sure the pokemon have legal stats, movesets, and abilitys, they're fine, speaking from a competitive pokemon viewpoint.

And using it to get back pokemon that you should have rightfully had is fair.

 

[Jodah]

To me its only cheating if you do something you wouldn't normally be able to do with enough time/money/effort.

 

[higgs20]

I barely use any of the new pokemon anyway, I think I have my starter and then the rest are from previous generations. I never saw the point of transferring pokemon to a new game I just start fresh every time.

but to answer the question: yes it's cheating, life is unfair, shit happens, we all deal with it everyday.

not to say you shouldn't do it, it's clearly not my choice but I wouldn't bother.

 

[Biodeamon]

No, don't do it! action replay is evil! eeeevvvvvvvvviiiiiiiilllll! it will corrupt your games! evvvvvvvvviiiiiilllll!

and i do kind of hate almost every new pokemon in B/W

 

[Innegativeion]

When it comes to pokemon, my philosophy is that if you're using the AR to get a pokemon you could conceivably raise within the confines of the game's rules

(abilities, moves, EVs, stats etc. are all possible and attainable)

You're just taking a shortcut... not really cheating. You don't have to be skilled to grind.

 

[Flare Phoenix]

When it comes to pokemon, my philosophy is that if you're using the AR to get a pokemon you could conceivably raise within the confines of the game's rules

(abilities, moves, EVs, stats etc. are all possible and attainable)

You're just taking a shortcut... not really cheating. You don't have to be skilled to grind.

Yeah but the thing is the original poster wants to use the action replay to give himself a full team of Pokemon you cannot legitimately get at the start of the game, with at least one of them unobtainable at any point of the game legitimately (without trading).

 

[SoopaSte123]

In Pokemon, the game railroads you into using the pokemon the GAME wants you to use. "You want a Squirtle? Well too bad, you have to use a Totodile. This is silver, *****." I never liked that, since with a game with tons of monsters at your disposal, you should get to pick the ones you want.

The hardcore players may say, "You can get the ones you want! You just have to play through the game to get them and then grind to get them to the level you want." Well I'm sorry, but I hate grind, and I want to get the special connection with my pokemon that you get by traveling the entire game with them and beating gym leaders and such.

As far as trading goes, I hated that too. I consider that to be MORE cheating since you get experience boosts with traded guys, and it didn't feel right to have another trainers name on my pokemon. I want him to be mine, dammit!

Back in the day, I used a gameshark to give myself and eevee at the start of Pokemon Gold version, and pretended he was my first pokemon and deposited my starter on the pc. And do you know what? That save game was by FAR my most memorable and favorite pokemon adventure I had. Some call it cheating, I call it enjoying my game the way I wanted.

Hell, the only person it really affects is YOU. If you want a team, you'll get it eventually, so it doesn't give you an unfair advantage over others. Other players might be butthurt about it cuz they wasted hours and hours of their lives leveling that Cindaquil they caught the fair way, but screw them. They can keep their grind, you enjoy your game with the pokemon you want.

 

[lapan]

Honestly, i wouldn't give a damn how you get any event pokemons. I got a lot of the event pokemons in Soulsilver over not exactly legit means, just so i have them. I wasn't even planning to use them, i just want the few pokedex entries i can't get any other way done. Events over here are rare and there is barely any announcements.

It's different for tournaments though, for obvious reasons, but i bet there are rules against legendaries in many of them anyways.