The American standards: Arrogance, ignorance, forgetfulness, or asocial?

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Theissen

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Disclaimer: This is not a rant about America or anything related to it.

A trend is appearing on internet forums. Undeniably, Americans are notable on forums that contains international communities, such as The Escapist. In a recent poll, Americans make up 31,7 % of this forum. [http://www.escapistmagazine.com/forums/read/18.109602#1892120] Seeing as they basically are a minority, one would think that they would have to explain their country. Yet, there are many posts in which many American terms are taken for granted. And since the population of this forum also consists of many young people, high school and college stories are abundant. Being European, many of these institutions are not understood, yet Americans use the words as if everyone understands. Rarely, although never is a more appropriate word, do these words get explained. Educational systems vary a lot from country to country, but the American educational system goes without explanation. Why is this?

One hypothesis, which is entirely unscientific, is the fact that Americans are somewhat arrogant. They assume that everyone is well-aware of how America works both in regards to educational system, but also how things such as politics and life in America work. America is one of the most prominent nations in the world, if not the most prominent. Consequently, Americans assume that everyone has knowledge about America and is interested in America. If people don't know about workings in America, it's their own job to find out and read on the subject. Thus, they don't have to explain anything when they are talking on forums. If people don't understand what they're talking about, it's their own fault.

Another completely unscientific hypothesis is based on ignorance. While it's somewhat similar to arrogance, they just falsely assume people know about America and how things work in America because of the before mentioned prominent position it has. The difference, though, is that they don't regard people that don't understand America as badly-informed, but they just have false assumptions on outsiders' knowledge. If they're confronted on a forum by a person that doesn't understand a term or institution, they'll have no problems with explaining it.

The next-last group of people that will be struck down upon is the forgetful/lazy people. While there are a plethora of reasons to be lazy or forgetful, these people are well-aware of the fact that some of the terms they toss out on a forum, many of them won't be understood by outsiders. Yet, they forget or are too lazy to explain it, effectively leaving out many people of a discussion. Sometimes, they would have no problem explaining terms to wondering people, but there is always someone who is better articulated that can do the work.

Lastly, a group which is somewhat similar to the arrogant crown is the asocial crowd. They don't need to explain themselves. If somebody doesn't understand a post, it's not much of a loss to these people. The majority of people are American so they understand. The need to befriend a Frenchman isn't particularly huge, especially if he doesn't understand the workings of America. Sticking with your American mates is completely legitimate and there are more than enough Americans to keep a discussion running.

What are your thoughts?

In ending this, I'd just like to underline that this is no way meant as an anti-American post, at all. If it comes across like that, I'm sorry.

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I don't mean linguistic terms in particular
I don't mean linguistic terms in particular
I don't mean linguistic terms in particular
I don't mean linguistic terms in particular
I don't mean linguistic terms in particular
 

Motiv_

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People tend to hate america for various reasons. Very very funny sometimes, and I can usually argue with a clear conscience, because I am not a full american.
 

Flying-Emu

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A counterquestion: Why do British people on these boards assume that everyone knows what a chav is?

It's simple slang/lingo logic. We use the words in our daily speech and subconsciously expect others to understand them. If they don't, we regard them strangely because they, by proving their lack of knowledge, have shown that they are not "with" the crowd. Therefore, they are strange. The human mind therefore classifies them under "Mystery", which invariably includes the subheading "Danger".
 

Lonko

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Can you give an example of these so-called "American terms"?

There's a few examples I can think of. Political jargon, for example. But since most American political discussions are made between Americans, I fail to see the issue here. Not to mention that Australians, Britons and so on are just as guilty. Not to mention that if you're going to discuss the politics of a foreign country with someone from that country, the onus is on you to understand their political terms, not on them to explain the terms.
There's also school-related jargon, but I don't see the usage of such jargon being restricted to Americans.
The third one is just colloquialisms and regional variations in vocabulary. Again, this is not restricted to Americans, by any means.

So... what's the issue?
 

thiosk

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Theissen said:
One hypothesis, which is entirely unscientific, is the fact that Americans are somewhat arrogant.
Excuse me, sir, I am NOT arrogant. I'm just better than you. I also do not know what arrogant means. My soap is on, so i don't really feel like looking it up. And I sure as hell don't want to talk to anyone who can explain it to me.
 

quiet_samurai

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mentor07825 said:
Have you thought that perhaps some terms are used outside of America as well, and that since the world is coming closer and the free flow of information that such American terms would be either common place or the meaning easily discovered?

Or that, perhaps some of us went to America and discovered the America vocabulary?

Or is it something that is so entirely different from your points you've made?

Or is it, at the end of the day, we don't use these terms?

I'm an American. Born and bred. My biological father is a Belgian and I've spent half my life in the States, a year in Belgium and now I'm in Ireland. I don't use American terms such as dog and hood

Perhaps you're concentrating on a minority rather then a majority?

This.

Oh and why Ireland, you deffinetely need to come back to da hood dawg!

And what is a Chav? Can anyone tell me?
 

SilentHunter7

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Instead of waiting for one of us to just come out and explain every facet of American culture, you could...you know...just ask one of us about what you dont get. I promise, most of us won't bite. :D
 

lizards

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the problem with this is you seem to think every american (i am one) to be talking li"ke hey dog what the fuck is up with this hood, lets go get some homies and pick up some shorties" no one has a problem as far as ive seen on here understanding us

and is it not arrogant to assume this is a problem with only americans and british people do the same thing and irish and russians and so on assume we understand everything about them?
 

Therumancer

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Truthfully I rarely if ever receive requests to explain basic functions of America. On the other hand I (and other Americans) do seem to query about things happening in other societies with some frequency.

This perhaps leads to the assumption that most people know what "we" are talking about, but then again if nobody ever asks for information there is no way to really tell.

I do think that America dominates largely though the spread of ideas and that a good portion of the world is fairly well informed about America. Heck, it seems like the entire globe watches American national elections with baited breath (because we are the dominant world power mostly) and everyone certainly seems to have opinions on things like the Presidential election no matter where they are from.

That is simply my experience. I don't think I've ever had anyone need me to explain to them what the office of the President is, what exactly it does, the political parties, or even who is involved. On the other hand I have in the past had to ask for information about some pretty high offices in other nations when people have made referances.

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Avatar Roku

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...Or it could be because The Escapist is based in America (North Carolina, I think). That may have something to do with it.
 

Calobi

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I don't mean to be a nitpicker, but the fact that 31.9% (Yea, I use the awesome period as a decimal mark) of the people on these forums are American doesn't make us a minority. We are, in fact, the largest ethnic group (Is that the right term?) by 6.7%.
 

quiet_samurai

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mentor07825 said:
quiet_samurai said:
mentor07825 said:
Have you thought that perhaps some terms are used outside of America as well, and that since the world is coming closer and the free flow of information that such American terms would be either common place or the meaning easily discovered?

Or that, perhaps some of us went to America and discovered the America vocabulary?

Or is it something that is so entirely different from your points you've made?

Or is it, at the end of the day, we don't use these terms?

I'm an American. Born and bred. My biological father is a Belgian and I've spent half my life in the States, a year in Belgium and now I'm in Ireland. I don't use American terms such as dog and hood

Perhaps you're concentrating on a minority rather then a majority?

This.

Oh and why Ireland, you deffinetely need to come back to da hood dawg!
Would if I could man but my peeps says that I should finish my education in college!

Pffff...Blow that dog but they won't let me.

If I could I'd be on the next flight back to my crib and hang with my homies.

Damn skippy!



Word, yo.
 

VeganG

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This complaint is hypocritical. I'm American, I have a Welsh friend. He uses terms all the time that stop us in our tracks and he's shocked that we don't know them. It goes both ways.
 

NeutralDrow

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People tend to default to the things they have the most experience with. Language is no exception.