The Atrocities of Your National Heritage... This is a Fun Thread! :D

[Helmholtz Watson]

The latter. Why do you want it when the people who actually live in the nation are against it, from all walks of life.

Because I don't want Ireland to become like Korea and be in some permanent limbo where they are forever divided. I rather go for the brutish(and I do realize that it is brutish) way that the US also took when the Confederacy tried to separate from the Union. I mean do you honestly think that if we waited until NI agreed, would there be a united Ireland in our lifetime?

But why do you want it? You still haven't given a reason. The majority of NI don't want it so why do you? I want a reason.

See my answer above to Matthew.

Are you seriously comparing NI and Ireland to the Koreas? Seriously? It's not even remotely comparable. Relations are fine. Do you think the border is like the 38th Parallel or something?

There is no pressing need for a United Ireland. NI wants to remain part of the UK and both then UK and Ireland respect that. If the majority decided they wanted to become part of Ireland they'd respect that too. I suggest you go read the summary of the Good Friday Agreement on Wikipedia

I'm not saying that it is like the 38th parallel, I'm saying that I don't want it to ever become like that. I don't want to see Ireland permanently divided.

 

[Hazy992]

The latter. Why do you want it when the people who actually live in the nation are against it, from all walks of life.

Because I don't want Ireland to become like Korea and be in some permanent limbo where they are forever divided. I rather go for the brutish(and I do realize that it is brutish) way that the US also took when the Confederacy tried to separate from the Union. I mean do you honestly think that if we waited until NI agreed, would there be a united Ireland in our lifetime?

But why do you want it? You still haven't given a reason. The majority of NI don't want it so why do you? I want a reason.

See my answer above to Matthew.

Are you seriously comparing NI and Ireland to the Koreas? Seriously? It's not even remotely comparable. Relations are fine. Do you think the border is like the 38th Parallel or something?

There is no pressing need for a United Ireland. NI wants to remain part of the UK and both then UK and Ireland respect that. If the majority decided they wanted to become part of Ireland they'd respect that too. I suggest you go read the summary of the Good Friday Agreement on Wikipedia

I'm not saying that it is like the 38th parallel, I'm saying that I don't want it to ever become like that. I don't want to see Ireland permanently divided.

And it won't. It will never get like that. Making people become part of a country they don't want to be in would make things worse not better

 

[Helmholtz Watson]

The latter. Why do you want it when the people who actually live in the nation are against it, from all walks of life.

Because I don't want Ireland to become like Korea and be in some permanent limbo where they are forever divided. I rather go for the brutish(and I do realize that it is brutish) way that the US also took when the Confederacy tried to separate from the Union. I mean do you honestly think that if we waited until NI agreed, would there be a united Ireland in our lifetime?

But why do you want it? You still haven't given a reason. The majority of NI don't want it so why do you? I want a reason.

See my answer above to Matthew.

Are you seriously comparing NI and Ireland to the Koreas? Seriously? It's not even remotely comparable. Relations are fine. Do you think the border is like the 38th Parallel or something?

There is no pressing need for a United Ireland. NI wants to remain part of the UK and both then UK and Ireland respect that. If the majority decided they wanted to become part of Ireland they'd respect that too. I suggest you go read the summary of the Good Friday Agreement on Wikipedia

I'm not saying that it is like the 38th parallel, I'm saying that I don't want it to ever become like that. I don't want to see Ireland permanently divided.

And it won't. It will never get like that.

I hope your right, and that maybe one day Ireland and NI can come together and be one country.

 

[templar1138a]

What the United States did to the natives was not all that different from what almost every other culture in history has done when it came to conquering territory. Not saying it was right or decent, but neither is the rest of humanity.

As for the WORST thing my country has done, I've got three words for you: Hiroshima and Nagasaki.

 

[Hazy992]

The latter. Why do you want it when the people who actually live in the nation are against it, from all walks of life.

Because I don't want Ireland to become like Korea and be in some permanent limbo where they are forever divided. I rather go for the brutish(and I do realize that it is brutish) way that the US also took when the Confederacy tried to separate from the Union. I mean do you honestly think that if we waited until NI agreed, would there be a united Ireland in our lifetime?

But why do you want it? You still haven't given a reason. The majority of NI don't want it so why do you? I want a reason.

See my answer above to Matthew.

Are you seriously comparing NI and Ireland to the Koreas? Seriously? It's not even remotely comparable. Relations are fine. Do you think the border is like the 38th Parallel or something?

There is no pressing need for a United Ireland. NI wants to remain part of the UK and both then UK and Ireland respect that. If the majority decided they wanted to become part of Ireland they'd respect that too. I suggest you go read the summary of the Good Friday Agreement on Wikipedia

I'm not saying that it is like the 38th parallel, I'm saying that I don't want it to ever become like that. I don't want to see Ireland permanently divided.

And it won't. It will never get like that.

I hope your right, and that maybe one day Ireland and NI can come together and be one country.

But they don't need to be nor do they want to be! Why are you ignoring this?

 

[DirtyJunkieScum]

It look like you meant to finish what you were saying.

...not quite sure what happened there, I probably had a different start to the next paragraph.

That is a bit of a slipper slope isn't it? I'm not advocating one mega government, just that the Irish people should be united under one government.

A government they do not want. The size was irrelevant, it was about forced political union.

Because America being a country didn't split England into two countries.

No, but it put a lot of people in a new country that they didn't want to be part of and split them off from Britain.

That is my reason though, an idealistic idea that a people would no longer be divided but united as one.

So...for vague flowery idealism? Some head in the clouds notion that because they all live on the same landmass they should all be part of the same country? Because at one point in time the people of a landmass were all under one government it should be that way forever even if they don't want it? Why not just have Eire united with the UK again? That should solve the problem right? The UK would be united as one.

 

[freakymojo]

some mild slavery, i guess. the vikings? though its hard to stay mad on those loveable brutes.

 

[Helmholtz Watson]

The latter. Why do you want it when the people who actually live in the nation are against it, from all walks of life.

Because I don't want Ireland to become like Korea and be in some permanent limbo where they are forever divided. I rather go for the brutish(and I do realize that it is brutish) way that the US also took when the Confederacy tried to separate from the Union. I mean do you honestly think that if we waited until NI agreed, would there be a united Ireland in our lifetime?

But why do you want it? You still haven't given a reason. The majority of NI don't want it so why do you? I want a reason.

See my answer above to Matthew.

Are you seriously comparing NI and Ireland to the Koreas? Seriously? It's not even remotely comparable. Relations are fine. Do you think the border is like the 38th Parallel or something?

There is no pressing need for a United Ireland. NI wants to remain part of the UK and both then UK and Ireland respect that. If the majority decided they wanted to become part of Ireland they'd respect that too. I suggest you go read the summary of the Good Friday Agreement on Wikipedia

I'm not saying that it is like the 38th parallel, I'm saying that I don't want it to ever become like that. I don't want to see Ireland permanently divided.

And it won't. It will never get like that.

I hope your right, and that maybe one day Ireland and NI can come together and be one country.

But they don't need to be nor do they want to be! Why are you ignoring this?

I didn't say they need to be, just that it would be nice if it could happen. As for wanting it to happen, my friends gave me the impression that Irish Catholics in the mainland do want it to happen.

 

[icythepenguin]

[/quote]That is my reason though, an idealistic idea that a people would no longer be divided but united as one.[/quote]

Even if the two countries were to merge, they wouldn't be united as one. The issues separating the Irish are not just political. There are religious and ideological differences that need to be taken into account for the two Irelands to unite properly. Differences that have boiled over many times and probably will continue to boil over in Northern Ireland. Hell I live in Canada and the Irish have to watch which pubs they go into. A Protestant in a Catholic pub, or vice versa, rarely ends well. I'm half Irish and I'd love to see an Ireland united in the future. But it has to up to the Irish people to do it, not just the politicians. Forcing unity on the Irish before they're ready could cause more violence then the IRA/UVF have done. The Irish can do great things when working together, the problem is there is such a deep rooted hatred and division in Ireland that needs to be resolved first.

 

[Hazy992]

The latter. Why do you want it when the people who actually live in the nation are against it, from all walks of life.

Because I don't want Ireland to become like Korea and be in some permanent limbo where they are forever divided. I rather go for the brutish(and I do realize that it is brutish) way that the US also took when the Confederacy tried to separate from the Union. I mean do you honestly think that if we waited until NI agreed, would there be a united Ireland in our lifetime?

But why do you want it? You still haven't given a reason. The majority of NI don't want it so why do you? I want a reason.

See my answer above to Matthew.

Are you seriously comparing NI and Ireland to the Koreas? Seriously? It's not even remotely comparable. Relations are fine. Do you think the border is like the 38th Parallel or something?

There is no pressing need for a United Ireland. NI wants to remain part of the UK and both then UK and Ireland respect that. If the majority decided they wanted to become part of Ireland they'd respect that too. I suggest you go read the summary of the Good Friday Agreement on Wikipedia

I'm not saying that it is like the 38th parallel, I'm saying that I don't want it to ever become like that. I don't want to see Ireland permanently divided.

And it won't. It will never get like that.

I hope your right, and that maybe one day Ireland and NI can come together and be one country.

But they don't need to be nor do they want to be! Why are you ignoring this?

I didn't say they need to be, just that it would be nice if it could happen. As for wanting it to happen, my friends gave me the impression that Irish Catholics in the mainland do want it to happen.

Well you basically made out before that it was a necessity to avoid a situation like Korea, but now you're just saying it would be nice if it did? If they don't want or need to be part of Ireland how would it be nice? It would just cause unnecessary problems.

And it doesn't matter what Ireland want because A) it's not up to them and B) the Good Friday Agreement means NI's wishes will be respected by the UK and Ireland whatever they may be. If NI want to remain part of the UK then thats what it will remain.

 

[DirtyJunkieScum]

I didn't say they need to be, just that it would be nice if it could happen. As for wanting it to happen, my friends gave me the impression that Irish Catholics in the mainland do want it to happen.

Oh yeah, it would be nice if everyone in Eire got on and they all wanted to live together in peace and harmony forever and ever, but forcing the issue won't do that.

Irish Catholics in Eire have no say in NI, it is a different country, they do not live there, it is not their decision to make.

Anyway, I'm off to bed. It's late.

 

[shadyh8er]

Hindus used to do this thing where, in order to test a woman's fidelity, they would make her sit in a fire. If she got any burns, they let her burn to death because that means she was unfaithful.

But hey, Sita managed to pull it off!

 

[jprf]

I'm British, you all know what my ancestors did so I won't rehash what others have said.
Special shout out to the opium wars though, that was a classic bit of atrocity-ing.

 

[Burst6]

Well my country gave birth to and raised this guy.

Spoiler

So.. sorry for that Russia. But hey, to be fair, you guys did annex us into the union. Twice. And then left us in the same rut as the rest of the post-soviet countries.

Still Stalin was not a good guy.

 

[EightGaugeHippo]

Well I'm English... So to the internet that makes me British, and we did alot of good stuff and bad stuff. But most of the bad stuff has already been said.
However, my father's side of my family is entirely Irish, and people have been talking about the IRA earlier in the thread..

Well, I'm related to this guy.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dan_Breen

So its more atrocities of my family.

Spoiler: this is my favorite paragraph on the article

During the Irish War of Independence, Breen had a £10,000 price on his head, however, he quickly established himself as a leader within the Irish Republican Army (IRA). Numerous stories are known about his heroism, one of which details the rescuing of his comrade Seán Hogan at gunpoint from a heavily guarded train at Knocklong station in County Limerick. Another incident occurred in Dublin when he shot his way out through a British military cordon in the northern suburb of Drumcondra (Fernside) in which he and volunteer Seán Treacy escaped only for Treacy to be killed soon after. Breen was shot at least four times, twice of which were in the lung (the first being in the Knocklong rescue). He was present at the ambush in Ashtown on the Meath/Dublin border where Martin Savage was killed while trying to assassinate the Lord Lieutenant of Ireland, Sir John French, 1st Earl of Ypres.

 

[ImperialSunlight]

I'd say the worst thing Canada has done is the whole residential schools thing... it wasn't very nice (though I'm Métis, so I don't know whether that counts as my nation's actions). A lot of people at the time thought they were doing the right thing, but that kind of thing is just terrible. Also, I really don't like how our government acted during the Red River Rebellion, but that's not half as bad.

 

[Anudeep Ravi]

I don't seem to remember my country doing any thing to other people... killing ourselves with random rituals, yes but did we do anything to other guys? what did we Indians do?

 

[easternflame]

Um, well, The governments and the narco I guess.