The Atrocities of Your National Heritage... This is a Fun Thread! :D
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What? No, I said I don't ever want them to progress to such a state, not that I think that they are currently in such a state.Matthew94 said:
American Indian so...I guess not stopping you when we had the chance?
Sorry, rest of the world...we didn't know.
Okay, okay. I'm just kidding.
The fact of the matter is that it is a dying culture and that sucks because there's virtually no attempt to save it.
And yes, there is still a lot of unfair treatment of the Indian tribes on a State and Federal level.
With that being said. In terms of preying on white guilt, I think the reason that there's not much discussion of that particular chapter of our history is that for the most part we don't hold a nationalistic grudge about it.
I think that for the most part we understand that whatever your ancestors may have done to our ancestors, it doesn't translate into you having done anything to me.
Although while I've got your ear. To those of you with kids. Please stop dressing them up as "Injuns" for Halloween. It's really quite offensive.
Sorry, rest of the world...we didn't know.
Okay, okay. I'm just kidding.
The fact of the matter is that it is a dying culture and that sucks because there's virtually no attempt to save it.
And yes, there is still a lot of unfair treatment of the Indian tribes on a State and Federal level.
With that being said. In terms of preying on white guilt, I think the reason that there's not much discussion of that particular chapter of our history is that for the most part we don't hold a nationalistic grudge about it.
I think that for the most part we understand that whatever your ancestors may have done to our ancestors, it doesn't translate into you having done anything to me.
Although while I've got your ear. To those of you with kids. Please stop dressing them up as "Injuns" for Halloween. It's really quite offensive.
Finland here, and well... It hasn't been an independant country for very long, so we haven't had much time for any real atrocities.
Well, we were kind of allied with Germany during World War 2. But even there we didn't assist them very much.
If I remember correctly, we treated POW's pretty badly too.
But no, we haven't committed any real crimes towards humanity... Yet.
Well, we were kind of allied with Germany during World War 2. But even there we didn't assist them very much.
If I remember correctly, we treated POW's pretty badly too.
But no, we haven't committed any real crimes towards humanity... Yet.
Yeah, because trying to integrate natives into a more advanced society and giving them access to modern technologies and medicines instead of killing and/or enslaving them was a horrible thing to do... I for one am happy that the "white oppressors" came and gave me all the benefits I enjoy on a daily basis.GeneralTwinkle said:
If you really think about it, it was a case of damned if you do, damned if you don't for the British, especially if you consider the time period and also try if you will to imagine the kinds of things that could have happened to the Aboriginal population if Australia had of been colonised by a less tolerant/forgiving country.
They could have very easily given them medicine and better schooling without kidnapping people and making them forget about their entire family.The Tibballs said:
They could have helped aborigines without ruining the entire culture and kidnapping children. How can you possibly justify that, even if it did make some improvements? Those improvements could have been far better achieved by just helping, not abolishing that society.
That's pretty much his entire argument. There is no logic to it other than some sort of romantic notion that people should all get along and that a small piece of land surrounded by water makes an excellent way of determining which people should all claim a single undivided heritage and STFU and have the government they're given goddamit. Basically a Hollywood fantasy. There is nothing substantial.mike1921 said:
However, he is clearly a wizard, because he got this right:
Maybe we should listen to him, he could use his magical powers to sort everything out. Create Irish Union then brainwash everyone into being happy and united.Helmholtz Watson said:
Also general congrats to everyone involved for only adding an extra page while I was gone.
Finally I am going to destroy this thread by claiming that uniting Ireland would be pretty much the same as Nazi Germany's annexation of the Sudetenland, Austria, and those parts of Poland that used to be Germany, not to mention their sterling work in trying to reunite the single Germanic people of Denmark, Sweden, Norway, Finland and Britain that had been cruelly separated by political divisions for so long, leading to a state much like that in Korea where war could break out any time (like it actually did in mainland Europe. Twice). Hitler really was the great uniter, such a shame he didn't have Helmoltz' wizard powers or he might have succeeded in his noble aims.
No really, I totally think that, a people should be united whether they want to or not
Look how happy they are!
Godwins law Bitches!!! (OK, I know it's a little crass calling it on yourself but these are desperate times we live in)
Actually, given De Valera's track record, that analogy becomes nightmarishly accurate......DirtyJunkieScum said:
The problem with that thinking is that it's unrealistic. You can't colonise an area and leave the existing culture 100% intact, it just can't be done and those countries that have tried to do so almost always end up with severe oppression from one side or the other or multi-generational civil wars. Both of which I'm sure you will agree would have been worse than what happened here in Australia.GeneralTwinkle said:
But I will concede that it could've been handled better, but only if we knew then what we know now, hindsight being 20/20 and all that.
Probably slavery too x3
Or Indonesia, fuck if I know what the dutch have done for horrors that have been swept under the carpet.
Or Indonesia, fuck if I know what the dutch have done for horrors that have been swept under the carpet.
i was born in ukraine, but my moms russian, and i know more of my russian relatives, than my ukrainian ones
i think that the soviet union did quite terrible things, but nothing compares to Stalin. just shows you what a little bit of paranoia can do. pre and post stalin eras are also not free from attrocities, but i feel, that that was the worst of times for the slavic people.
i think that the soviet union did quite terrible things, but nothing compares to Stalin. just shows you what a little bit of paranoia can do. pre and post stalin eras are also not free from attrocities, but i feel, that that was the worst of times for the slavic people.
Actually the Welsh were pretty badass back in the early 900 AD's but you were up against the vikings so we will let you off.Supertegwyn said:
I'm English, I'm sure that pretty much speaks for itself. :S
(Hell, my ancestor was a god damn privateer)
I...I don't know. Maybe I'm some sort of wizard too?Glademaster said:
In fact...I totally am. Have another look. See? I just made you think I had done that with my magical wizard powers when actually I got the quote completely right.
