The Big GTA 4 discussion thread. (Mild Spoilers)

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Kedcom

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Re-posting this from another thread on request to keep GTA4 in one thread:

With GTA:IV coming out I've been thinking all about video game censhorship which is something I'm sure most gamers get pretty passionate about. I'm forced to consider it more than I used to having moved from the UK where is hardly any really severe censorship (except for Manhunt 2 and a couple of others) to Australia where quite tame games such as Dark Sector aren't getting released either and even GTA:IV will be watered down a tad. They only have a "Mature 15+" rating here as opposed to 18 in the UK, R:17 in the US and "Anyone can play anything anytime" in Japan.

It's really really annoying that as a 26 year old I am restricted in what I want to play because of a ridiculous law like this over here and so I read a comment piece on video game censorship with great relish today and thought I'd post it here. It said all I'd like to say and more! Enjoy!

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"I'm talking to you, you self-righteous politicians and newspaper columnists, you relics who beat on computer games: you've already lost. Enjoy your carping while you can, because tomorrow you're gone.

According to the UK Statistics Authority, the median age of the UK population is 39. Half the people who live here were born in 1969 or later. The BBC microcomputer was released in 1981, when those 1969ers were 12. It was ubiquitous in schools; it introduced a generation to computers. It introduced a generation to computer games.

Half the UK population has grown up playing computer games. They aren't addicted, they aren't psychopathic killers, and they resent those boneheads - that's you - who imply that they are addicted and are psychopathic killers.

Next year, that 1969 will be 1970; the year after, it'll be 1971.

Dwell on this, you smug, out-of-touch, proud-to-be-innumerate fossils: half the UK population thinks games are fun and cool, and you don't. Those born in 1990 get the vote this year.

Three years from now, that 1969 will be 1972, then 1973. Scared yet? You should be: we have the numbers on our side. Do your worst - you can't touch us. We've already won.

15 years from now, the prime minister of the day will have grown up playing computer games, just as 15 years ago we had the first prime minister to have grown up watching television, and 30 years ago to have grown up listening to the radio. Times change: accept it; embrace it. Don't make yourself look even more 20th Century, even more public school, than you do already. You've lost! Understand? Your time has passed.

This anxiety you sense, this fear of what you don't comprehend: hey, it's OK. Parents who didn't play computer games do feel alienated, do feel isolated from their children; they do feel frightened, and naturally so, because they can't keep their children safe if they don't understand what they're keeping them safe from.

It's transient, though. Upcoming parents played games themselves, or if they didn't, their siblings did, or their friends did. They're no more concerned about "moral decay" or "aggressive tendencies" or any of the other euphemisms for "ohmygod I don't understand this" than you are about soap operas. They're the present, not you: you're the ever-more-distant past.

Gamers vote. Gamers buy newspapers. They won't vote for you, or buy your newspapers, if you trash their entertainment with your ignorant ravings. Call them social inadequates if you like, but when they have more friends in World of Warcraft than you have in your entire sad little booze-oriented culture of a real life, the most you'll get from them is pity.

In March, the Byron Report came out. How pleased the government must have been with itself! By appointing a parenting expert to lead it, they were practically guaranteeing they'd get 266 pages of ammunition to use against computer games. Just thinking about the popularity boost from cracking down on this evil would have had them salivating with glee!

Except Dr Tanya Byron was born in 1967. When the Sinclair ZX Spectrum came out in 1982, she was only 15. She knew what the government didn't: computer games are here to stay. So long as parents understand the dangers, they can make informed decisions. She didn't recommend lining computer game designers up against the wall and shooting dead every last one of them. Her report was balanced and fair. She suggested education as a solution. That's a level of reason rarely seen in the context of UK government.

So we've won: accept it. Huff and puff if you must, but your audience grows smaller by the day. Your views are mortally wounded, and soon they will be dead.

Games are mainstream. Drown, or learn to swim."

From The Guardian
Richard Bartle, the creator of MUD, is a teaching fellow at the University of Essex

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Doug

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I have to say, I love that article - Its sad though that the gutter papers still try and pin things on video game. And I do feel sorry for Australian gamers who have to put up with that BS from their government
 

Talux

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The problem with GTA and the media is, well, it's just so easy to criticise that game in particular.

Most of the (very positive) reviews I've seen have been full of random shootings, prostitutes, gangs, running over pedestrians and shooting cop cars. Sure, it all makes sense when you're actually playing the game in context... sort of. I've played games for years and years, including more than a few violent ones, but even I'm almost instinctively repelled a by people who think it's hilarious when they mow down bystanders left, right and centre.

Sure, people over 18 should be able to play it uncensored. But I don't expect, in any way, for mainstream society to react very well to the game. Creating a controversy sells copies too, of course...
 

GrimRox

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I feel, honestly, that on first impressions I'm torn. I like the control system, the phone idea seems a good one and the graphics are stunning as are character animations but good god almighty I do not like the way the vehicles handle! On the point of vehicles, I like the crash damage and take a look at your bonnet after a hit and run. Now that's detail. I found the camera was a bit annoying and slow but I noticed that less and less as I played. The cover system seems to work OK and overall it's a solid effort though all the 10/10's seem a little OTT. What does everyone else think?
 

Talux

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Yeah, all the 10/10's did seem a little strange. But it seemed to be even from reputable sources so maybe the game is just that good. Scores are kind of poor at saying what a game is like, though.
 

Lazy Lemon

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i liked gta 3 (although a lot of that was probably due to the fact that my mum said i wasn't allowed to play it. now i'm legally allowed to it doesn't seem as cool anymore.) and i liked vice city justas much, if not a bit more, because it was pretty much the same exept it had a cool 80s theme. san andreas was the same game again but without the cool 80s theme and with a "you must get a new haircut before you can attempt this mission. *****." theme. from what i've heard gta iv brings no major innovation to the series and so i see no reason to buy it because i've already played the other games and got bored of them.
 

Lazy Lemon

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oh yeah and gamespot gave the game 10/10, which, according to their scale means it's perfect. but in the review they list quite a few faults and actualy say "gta iv is not perfect"
 

sammyfreak

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I like most of the stuff, the characters, story and celphone are all great fun. But the controls feel rather dull. It might be that im used to playing GTA on the pc but this will take some time getting used to. The city is sort of overwhelmingly large at first, but it's always been like that.
 

Doug

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Crap_haT said:
I'm playing it right now, IT'S AMAZING!
*nods* Yup, loving it (curse McDonalds for turning that phrase evil). Better characters with more deep, tighter controls, very pretty graphics (although not 'Crysis on a 12 terraflop supercomputer' level, but what is (aside, obviously, from Crysis itself)?). Plus, its full of wonderful details like...
The 'Republican Space Rangers' on the TV. A very funny TV cartoon that you can actually watch. Trival, I know, but I liked the attention to detail.

Anywho, the game so far is great to me. People who hated GTA3/VC/SA still won't like it, I think, but maybe I'm wrong.
 

sammyfreak

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I love the dating part, only spent time with the first girl but they sort of have a cutsey relationship.


Im trying out multiplayer now, it takes ages to get the random games set up, nowhere near as easy as in Halo or CoD.
 

Doug

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sammyfreak said:
I like most of the stuff, the characters, story and celphone are all great fun. But the controls feel rather dull. It might be that im used to playing GTA on the pc but this will take some time getting used to. The city is sort of overwhelmingly large at first, but it's always been like that.
Same here, but I found I'm getting the hang of them quickly - gun combat is easier with the lock-on system.
 

Melaisis

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I've just been discussing the IGN review with some journalist friends of mine - the majority of which have a copy of GTAIV themselves. Now, is it just us but does it seem it reads like a 15 year-old GCSE student wrote it? I know its kind of unrelated to the game itself, but is still relevant on a forum about a gaming magazine, after all. It really has the structural fluency of a screamo score, and appears the reviewer (the head at IGN, I believe) has simply let enthusiasm overwhelm him. I'm not just talking about the score, either, but it just seems he jumps from topic to topic, often repeating himself a bit too many times: 'OMFG CHECK OUT THE STORYLINE, AND THE MULTIPLAYER, AND THE STORYLINE AGAIN AND THEN THE SIDEQUESTS AND THE VIEW AND THE STORY AND THEN THE POLICE-WHICH-DO-WHAT-THEY'VE-ALWAYS-DONE AND THE STORY AND THE MULTIPLAYER AND THE MULTIPLAYER!'. Its strange, and I don't think he's been paid-off or anything, just that his integrity slackened and it appears he thought we all wouldn't notice because 'OMFGITSTHEFIRSTREVIEW!'.

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wilsonscrazybed

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Coming home from work on the train yesterday was the longest hour and sixteen minutes I've ever spent reading a game manual. Then a strange thing happened; I got home and I sat down and didn't put the disk in. It hit me that no matter how good this game actually was it wasn't going to be as good as I had built it up in my mind.

I took some time to check the forums, close some extraneous "GTA4 IS (THE) SHIT" posts and drink a cup of tea. That's how I plan to digest the rest of this game too; slowly and with biscuits.

So far I am enjoying the two hours I have played it. The reasons I like it are not the same reason a typical GTA fan would. There is a lot more depth to everything in the game when you hold it to GTA: San Andreas. Mechanically the game shines, cars feel right, the minigames are presented well, and the shooting is pure bliss when you compare it to older iterations. Regardless of polygon count or blood-to-bullet-wound-ratio, the real improvement is that they finally wrote their characters deep enough to appeal to adults who want more out of a game than a "hit and run" simulator.

I plan to spend the next month playing this game for a few hours a week. Perhaps play some online matches with my friends or just walk around Liberty City seeing what there is to do. I spent so much time thinking about this game it would be a shame to finish it so fast.

P.S. Melasis, excellent point about the IGN article, poorly balanced to say the least. The 1up article is quite a bit better in my opinion.
 

Jumplion

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I'm sort of torn between getting it this weekend because i have tests or getting it the week after because of homework and a trip

Hell, i might not get it until the end of the month because of exams! God damnit!
 

sammyfreak

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I am not sure if this qualifies as a Minor Spoiler










But the end of the first island is worthy of The Godfather.
 

Ultrajoe

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Well, i hated the tiny hairless balls off the crap-shack of a game.

My opinion, no-one here is forced to agree with it, and i'm not trying to make them, but this is the GTA 4 discussion thread, and thats my discussion.

For me its a pus-bag filled with the semen of the devil himself. (opinion again)
 

tiredinnuendo

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Ultrajoe said:
Well, i hated the tiny hairless balls off the crap-shack of a game.

My opinion, no-one here is forced to agree with it, and i'm not trying to make them, but this is the GTA 4 discussion thread, and thats my discussion.

For me its a pus-bag filled with the semen of the devil himself. (opinion again)
This comment is useless unless you say why you don't like it. I was on the fence yesterday but did end up buying it because I had trouble finding a comprehensive list of flaws about the game. There were people who liked it and gave reasons, and there were people who hated it and... didn't.

- J