The Big Picture: Captains Courageous

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FrioJenkins

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Every episode I feel you get further and further away from what these videos are supposed to be. I love and enjoy every week but it really doesn't feel like the "Big Picture". Recent weeks feel like the "big picture" getup is all just a massive constraint that you have to work through. Change the name to Inside Bob's Brain or something. The emotion pictures are feeling old and boring and the ending phrase is getting tacky and cliche.

Keep up the good work, just a suggestion to change the name and premise of the series.
 

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And this is why my interest in american comics remains a casual one, seriously wtf.
Its like every single potentially interesting/good idea in the comic industry gets drilled in to the ground and covered in shit until their are so many ridiculous plot points, side stories and convoluted madness an outsider looks at a mere single character and has no idea where to start or what to do.

This is why manga are my preferred form of comic, one storyline, one group of characters, no spin off, alternate universe, ret-con bs.
 

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Bob forgot to mention Mar-Vell's biggest claim to fame for many years. He was the one Marvel character who died and stayed dead, but even Mar-Vell couldn't keep that up for long.
 

Brandon Askew

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Genis-Vell was always my favourite Captain Marvel, if only for the story arc where he went insane, declared himself a god, and killed Eternity, essentially destroying all of creation. This essentially led to the creation of a "new" existence, where Entropy became the new Eternity, and everything was reset Last Thursday-style. This is actually where Phyla-Vell came into existence.

I liked how they took a darker approach to Cosmic Awareness, showing what too much knowledge can do to a person's mind, even a superhero. But maybe that's what made him so hard to connect with for most people.
 

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MovieBob said:
Information about the Captain Marvels
I kind of wish that you went somewhere with this rant. All you did was explain the origins of two obscure comic book characters. It would have been more satisfying if you tied this back into the Big Picture. (You could have, too. Copyright law, homage, ownership and ethics, the state of comics & publishing, artistic freedom... lots of possibilities.)

As it stands, you could have given us two Wikipedia links.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Captain_Marvel_(DC_Comics)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Captain_Marvel_(Marvel_Comics)

What angle do you see here? What's Moviebob's opinion? Why did he want to share this tidbit with us on The Escapist? What do you want us to take away from this?

Shazam! SHAZAM! SHAZAM!!
 

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Seeing as comics just add and drop continuity and details all the time, I never understood why DC didn't just change his name to "Shazam"

It would have been an interesting fact for the Wikipedia entry; but seeing as everyone knows him as Shazam anyway, why fight so hard to keep calling him Captain Marvel? It only creates confusion and probably hurt sales.

Well, because comics are weird. That's the only real reason.
 

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Frankfurter4444 said:
Seeing as comics just add and drop continuity and details all the time, I never understood why DC didn't just change his name to "Shazam"

It would have been an interesting fact for the Wikipedia entry; but seeing as everyone knows him as Shazam anyway, why fight so hard to keep calling him Captain Marvel? It only creates confusion and probably hurt sales.

Well, because comics are weird. That's the only real reason.
Because naming a character after the character that gives him his powers just sounds pretty silly to me.

DC's Captain Marvel(and family) all get their powers from the wizard Shazam.

I wonder if Robin is just as bad as Marvel's Captain Marvel in terms of who's been it. Actually, I think it might be worse.
 

Aurgelmir

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Aurgelmir said:
MovieBob said:
Captains Courageous

Captain Marvel, meet Captain Marvel.

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You don't seem to like Captain Mar-Vell or Ms. Marvel a lot?

Kind of a shame, becasue they are two of my favorite Marvel Characters.

But yes you forgot a few incarnations of the Marve Captain Marvel:

During Secret Invasion there was a Skrull that believed he was Mar-Vell for real, so he is considered one of the Captain Marvels. Also Ms. Marvel Went by the name during House of M.

Havent read the latest ot he cosmic marvel stuff, but last I saw there was an Evil Alternetive Universe Captain Mar-vell running around.
You're missing out. The cosmic stuff has been an almost non-stop run of brilliance from Annihilation to The Thanos Imperative. It really demonstrates the type of positives that can come from one creative team given plenty of time and space (no pun intended) to play around with.

[and before someone nit-picks me, I know DnA didn't do the original Annihilation]

Oh I know, been reading most of it, probably my favorite Marvel stories these days, just haven't had the time to follow it lately, guess I'll have to wait for the Trade Paper Backs to roll in.
 

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vxicepickxv said:
Because naming a character after the character that gives him his powers just sounds pretty silly to me.

DC's Captain Marvel(and family) all get their powers from the wizard Shazam.
Well, not exactly. Captain Marvel Jr. gets his powers from Captain Marvel and the magic word he says to transform is Captain Marvel. This means Captain Marvel Jr. cannot even say his own name. Isn't that awesome.
 

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Many people who read comics only get into the continuity just as much as they want to. Saying the whole medium is dumb because of some silly backstory is just ignorant.
 

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I argue that it's time we just have a story involving all the Marvel animal-based heroes. I keep hearing about more and more of them... and they'd make as much sense as comics in general these days.

I always thought Marvel's version came first, thus how Shazam came to be. That's insane it's the other way around and that DC's simple printing of the comics couldn't secure them rights over the name. That sucks. Still, both are really weird... sticking to comic tradition.

Side note, I think I would like a show on Ms. Marvel too. Not right away, but eventually. I've tried to figure her out and read up on the whole thing. Still a little headache inducing.
 

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Hey Bob,

Why not make this a 2-parter and do the "Mavelman / Miracleman" fiasco next week? It feels kinda appropriate. ;)
 

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Resin213 said:
I think Alan Moore's Miracle Man/family parody of Captain Marvel deserves a mention in here, that was a great series, but then once you get into parodies and spin offs well this story could go on for hours.
Considering he was/is called Marvelman, the subject of lawsuits and legal wrangling, and ultimately became the property of Marvel, I agree he deserves a mention.
 

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That was a great episode. I must say though, while the DC Captain Marvel was the original, I liked Marvels version much better. DC always had some strange things going on, Marvel never really went with the weird sidekick thing like DC (We have to forgive Bucky with Captain America, they go back to 1940). No Hillbilly Marvel, or Krypto or Kid Flash. No, "I'll vibrate my molecules so fast whilst simultaneously running at super speeds around this thing and close the dimensions". All that stuff always seemed so kiddy like to me. Marvel, and their Captain Marvel, was a bonifide bad ass with the Negabands giving him some crazy near godlike abilities. They were all about showing the hard side of the world through their comics, and mimicking them really well (Xmen for example).

Great episode, though some of your information was off a bit though. Marvel was Atlas comics originally.
 

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Heh, the worse thing is I knew pretty much all of that. My head too, is packed with way too much unnessescary stuff like this.

Honestly Ms Marvel should just take up the name Captain Marvel, she's earnt it and it stops the neverending legacies going on in the MU. She is also an airforce captain, so it fits.
 

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I really like DC Captain Marvel, his powers, costume and origin story has, as Bob eluded too, captivated me since I was a small child. Shazam! is tag on pretty much every other interweb site or gaming device i use. I hate Marvels Marvel so damm much. grrr.
 

Fuhjem

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Huh. Remind me to never do Extraction or Inception on Movie Bob. I might go insane.