The Big Picture: Combat Evolved?
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This is what happens when Movie Bob talks about Halo or FPS games in general. Now Bob is an intelligent guy and he has proved it a lot of times, however when he talks about the two subjects mentioned in the last sentence you can see a mix of bias and a bunch of wrong facts or misunderstandings(not to say ignorance). I am going to watch this with interest, as I do MovieBoB and TGO, however Bob, please stay away from FPS games, please? They aren't your strong point.
You're giving Bungie far too much credit Bob. Gameplay comes first, story after. The Covenant were just an excuse to have a variety of enemies to fight against in the original Halo. Their purpose and background came after.
Still, interesting show, looking forward to next week.
Still, interesting show, looking forward to next week.
If it's any comfort, he posted a video on GameOverthinker about how the FPS genre is destroying all that is good in the world.Traun said:
That's because it wasn't there. It's a bunch of aliens fighting a bunch of humans and cyborgs. There is no subtext.Karisse said:
Seriously, this video was fucking stupid on so many levels.
Notice how he says that shit, yet has never played anything by Valve, and one game from Irrational Games. It's like eating a couple bad pizzas and dismissing all Italian food ever made.greygelgoog said:
As far as reach in concerned "bob" has a good point..It is only when you play through all 4 halo games (excluding halo wars) that both sides have depth. The human?s race is very one tone as it is, in halo you see characters from all nationalities and races and the battles take place every on earth for example one highly evolved and advanced city is in Africa. the point I?m trying to show here is that its impossible for the humans to have diversity because they are all one group of people were are the covenant are from all different groups...this diversity does change when the human side allies with the group in the covenant know as the elites...so there are now 2 different species working together so there is some diversity in the end.
I think to completely judge the halo games you need to have played them all. to look at just one individually would defile the point of the whole argument of both sides.
In the second halo it is very interesting to watch diplomacy between groups or species within the covenant were politics gets in the way of progress.
what the ultimate story is truly is one species fight to survive against an "axis power" who?s only drive is to destroy humans, and to find some machine that apparently will grant them a place in their form of heaven.
another thing to look as is the civilians in the game humans have civilians and from things in the cities of reach also could lead to the argument of children being present, were as the covenant there is no such presence of civilians because we do not see the aliens home land all the battles are either in space or on human or forerunner structures.
in the game the aliens kill or it is suggested that they openly kill unarmed civilians without cause.....the thing is, like anything about war you have many points to all sides in all arguments...but like war everything seems to change, and each side is never completely in the right.
I think to completely judge the halo games you need to have played them all. to look at just one individually would defile the point of the whole argument of both sides.
In the second halo it is very interesting to watch diplomacy between groups or species within the covenant were politics gets in the way of progress.
what the ultimate story is truly is one species fight to survive against an "axis power" who?s only drive is to destroy humans, and to find some machine that apparently will grant them a place in their form of heaven.
another thing to look as is the civilians in the game humans have civilians and from things in the cities of reach also could lead to the argument of children being present, were as the covenant there is no such presence of civilians because we do not see the aliens home land all the battles are either in space or on human or forerunner structures.
in the game the aliens kill or it is suggested that they openly kill unarmed civilians without cause.....the thing is, like anything about war you have many points to all sides in all arguments...but like war everything seems to change, and each side is never completely in the right.
This is going to be good stuff. Finally, something to look forward to on Tuesdays.
Also, I love the intro/outro music.
Also, I love the intro/outro music.
And he completely missed part of the big picture. Like, how the main reason that Bungie decided to use multiple races as ememies was because, unlike just fighting humans, they are more interesting? That's what Bob started out on, but he missed the point that the reason that the Covenant are so cool to fight is because there is a bigger variety. I've heard people say that they would play Halo if there was a story where you could be the Covenant fighting the Humans, but that would just be boring. Then you would be basicly playing Modern Warfare 2's multiplayer with a mode that makes you look like a Grunt or Jackle!
And For the record, I never even had an X-Box Live acount until I bought Reach, and I bought ALL of the Halo games, just because it had an awsome story and campaign. Plus I got all of the books I could find. So maybe I'm just weird, but Online Multiplayer, in any game, isn't a big deal for me. Split-Screen is another story.
And For the record, I never even had an X-Box Live acount until I bought Reach, and I bought ALL of the Halo games, just because it had an awsome story and campaign. Plus I got all of the books I could find. So maybe I'm just weird, but Online Multiplayer, in any game, isn't a big deal for me. Split-Screen is another story.
Actually, another point along those lines are what happened to the Elites when they joined our side: They became zionist exterminaters... spouting on and on about how bad the other covenant were.
And yes, I'm surprised at myself for not noticing that sooner, or at all, thanks for pointing that out Bob.
And yes, I'm surprised at myself for not noticing that sooner, or at all, thanks for pointing that out Bob.
Grats on your new show!MovieBob said:
However the topic you chose I think was thin. No one cares about those kind of things when they play a game. Specially when Halo:CE came out, people just wanted to shoot aliens and stuff. I think you were reading in to deep about the first halo and the aliens in general. The developers just needed a cool enemy to blow up. However that scene in the movie with his eyes turning blue was a bit unsettling. However they may be intentionally drawing on "master race" themes to muster up some conjured controversy for exposure. The movie and the game are two whole different beasts, Movie bob of all people should know that.
There are way better topics to choose from too when it comes to your first episode, this seemed weak. I hated to be so critical, but I am spoiled by the escapist and demand nothing but excellence!
I like this. I haven't played Halo much so I can't comment, but when watching 300, I did think to myself:
"wow, the Spartans are boring. They all look and fight the same, and aren't interested in anything except for shouting and fighting. Oh wow, these Persians come in so many different shapes and sizes, and they're into things like jewellery and weird orgies and stuff. They're interesting."
Kudos for pointing out the quasi-fascist elements of Spartan society as well. I get sickened when some guy describes Spartans as bastions of ancient democracy, them failing to realise 80% of Spartan society were slaves who couldn't vote. Kind of ironic how the "evil" persian empire actually abolished slavery and enriched the local culture of wherever they conquered.
"wow, the Spartans are boring. They all look and fight the same, and aren't interested in anything except for shouting and fighting. Oh wow, these Persians come in so many different shapes and sizes, and they're into things like jewellery and weird orgies and stuff. They're interesting."
Kudos for pointing out the quasi-fascist elements of Spartan society as well. I get sickened when some guy describes Spartans as bastions of ancient democracy, them failing to realise 80% of Spartan society were slaves who couldn't vote. Kind of ironic how the "evil" persian empire actually abolished slavery and enriched the local culture of wherever they conquered.
I agree, I think this series has potential, but I felt like the video ended before making any sort of real relevance. If he had discussed more examples or made his point more solid before ending, it would have been a success in my eyes.latenightapplepie said:
