The Big Picture: Combat Evolved?
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The convenant are evil because they're a diverse group of aliens. They aren't really portrayed as evil at all. The only reason they're the antagonists in the Halo series is because they are TRYING TO WIPE OUT THE HUMAN RACE! And the only reason they're doing that is because they're being forced to by their leaders. If you ever did any research on WWII and Nazi Germany you'd know that not everyone who is involved in a military group headed by morally compromised leaders is "evil". Many people opposed Hitler and the Nazi party, but most of them were killed, so many people simply followed the Nazi movement out of fear or loyalty to their country. Besides, if humanity ever faced a massive force that intended to end civilization as we know it, I doubt making the soldiers look colorful and diverse would be high on their list of priorities.
Hey! I'm not that bad!Kenneth Newbery said:
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Bob you're insane but I already knew that. Don't talk about video games and stick to movies where you don't come off quite as strong as a nostalgia blind psuedointellectual.
Thing is, I can't figure out whether Bob is an evil genius out to generate pageviews or a genuine guy who has zero objectivity.
If he's an Evil Genius then targeting Halo with an argument that amounts to 'HALO seems racist' is brilliant. No more needs to be said.
If he's a geniune guy, then he has a huge massive blindspot for choosing the most nerdrage-inducing ways to express his dislike for things. (I mean - Halo as Nazis? Given how hard Bungie worked to subvert the Rah-Rah-Space-Marine subtext in Halo 2 with the Arbiter, I knew how that would turn out).
If he's an Evil Genius then targeting Halo with an argument that amounts to 'HALO seems racist' is brilliant. No more needs to be said.
If he's a geniune guy, then he has a huge massive blindspot for choosing the most nerdrage-inducing ways to express his dislike for things. (I mean - Halo as Nazis? Given how hard Bungie worked to subvert the Rah-Rah-Space-Marine subtext in Halo 2 with the Arbiter, I knew how that would turn out).
Well I mean usually they either go to the column on the right or just below as a thumbnail when its a usual contributor such as yahtzee or even extra credits, that didn't happen to this vid.Akalabeth said:
And to be fair, the Persian Empire is actually a very good empire in terms of morales, it was possibly the closest thing to a secular nation in the ancient world, like everytime it conquered a nation, it welcomed its people and their customs and religion and gave them full freedom to do those things and so the people themselves wrote good of the Persian Empire.
This is also why Karma makes no sense, as there is no set laws on what is good and what is bad, if say you were a German during WWII in Nazi Germany, you find a family of Jews hiding in some shed and you kill them all thinking what you were doing is right, does that mean you did something bad therefore a bad thing will happen to you or you did a good thing therefore a good thing will happen to you?
Yah that always perplexed me, is true evil pursuing a goal unpopular with modern society or is it doing something wrong and you think its wrong but you do it anyway? If its the second one then technically the Nazi's weren't evil.EightGaugeHippo said:
This is also why Karma makes no sense, as there is no set laws on what is good and what is bad, if say you were a German during WWII in Nazi Germany, you find a family of Jews hiding in some shed and you kill them all thinking what you were doing is right, does that mean you did something bad therefore a bad thing will happen to you or you did a good thing therefore a good thing will happen to you?
I love how in The Game Overthinker, you tear whoever happens to think differently from you a new one for being closed minded, or for not thinking things through, and then you put something like this up. You completely sidestep any and all parts of the story/situation that invalidate your opinions. The Covenant are the aggressor, they are committing genocide at whatever planet they happen to pull their ships up to. They struck first, and we are down to our last few planets. How does that translate to fascism trying to fight against diversity? Are you basing that on only the colors/shapes/sizes/species of those involved? Just please explain that one point to me, using the facts of the game that are available. And not just the facts that you want to pick and choose.
I voted for you on Screwattack, because along with the fact that you seemed the best choice, I thought you had more integrity than to just attack games and designers you don't like. My mistake. You have evolved into a professional, paid troll, and you won't be gaining any more views from me.
(Btw, not every fan of Halo or FPS games is Ogre, or variations of the typical jock dumbass. Just for your information.)
I voted for you on Screwattack, because along with the fact that you seemed the best choice, I thought you had more integrity than to just attack games and designers you don't like. My mistake. You have evolved into a professional, paid troll, and you won't be gaining any more views from me.
(Btw, not every fan of Halo or FPS games is Ogre, or variations of the typical jock dumbass. Just for your information.)
humans=fascist quasi-starship troopers
that suddenly adds more interest to the game for me. not that I`m for fascism or racism, but seriously theres only so much "YAY GO FREEDOM WOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!" one can take from video games. Besides it appeals to me to play as a soldier in a non-capitalist empire fighting an equally if not more horrid enemy.
that suddenly adds more interest to the game for me. not that I`m for fascism or racism, but seriously theres only so much "YAY GO FREEDOM WOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!" one can take from video games. Besides it appeals to me to play as a soldier in a non-capitalist empire fighting an equally if not more horrid enemy.
Bob, if you pulled your head out of your ass and thought about it like you seem to be trying to indicate you are, you'd notice that the Spartan program IS intended as the evil, oppressive, over the top militaristic side of humanity in the future war against the covenant armada.
Humanity had to design a 'master race' as you so painstakingly put it, because they were getting their asses whipped. The diversity present in the human race was getting obliterated by the multi-planetary slave army - so the UNSC made their own. Conscripts, stolen babies, genetically engineered for physical perfection and practically brainwashed in their mental programming. They only exist because of the war, they are humanity's dirty little secret.
Also, fuck you. Fuck you for your thoughtless, sarcastic dismissal of the characterisation of the Spartans. "Oh wow, the chick is a badass". Of course she is, you dolt. She's a Spartan. What's she supposed to do, pick flowers and give herself a makeover mid-battle?
Jorge looks like a big softie in comparison because he's the most stable. Being a Spartan-II he was literally bred for his role whereas the other members of Noble team have been upgraded mid-war and rightfully have some adjustment issues - not the least of which stems from the fact that the Spartan-III project was basically built on data stolen from Dr. Halsey's Spartan-II program, so the Spartan-III soldiers are even more vilified than the rest. They are the things that should not be. No longer human, but not quite a true Spartan.
Emile wants to stand out because he's a childish brat, his characterisation is that he's a tryhard, a wannabe, but you missed that because you didn't look past the skull he carved into his visor. Jun is probably the most stereotypical - the calm and collected sniper, but you completely overlooked him because you wanted to deride what you perceive as generic badassery to make your point about how Bungie promote fascism - which they don't. They do the opposite. The end of Reach is pretty clear in it's live by the sword, die by the sword mentality - but also makes it clear there was no other option. Fight or die. Fight and die.
All humanity wants to do is at least go down swinging, and Noble 6's decision in particular to stand and fight and accept that his/her sacrifice would assist in humanity's long-term survival and possibly truimph.
When the series comes full circle in Halo 3, you have Elites fighting alongside humanity - not out of a desire for token diversity but because of an alliance of necessity. Master Chief and the Arbiter are effectively the champions of their respective slave armies, who have risen above their differences and the politicking of their masters to fight a common foe. Maybe the symbolism there is intended, maybe it isn't. But since you don't care about the story of Halo and want to find symbolism to debase a series you already dislike, you could at least acknowledge that willingness to adapt and evolve as a culture, and embrace diversity, it what ultimately saves humanity. But you don't.
THAT is "the big picture".
Humanity had to design a 'master race' as you so painstakingly put it, because they were getting their asses whipped. The diversity present in the human race was getting obliterated by the multi-planetary slave army - so the UNSC made their own. Conscripts, stolen babies, genetically engineered for physical perfection and practically brainwashed in their mental programming. They only exist because of the war, they are humanity's dirty little secret.
Also, fuck you. Fuck you for your thoughtless, sarcastic dismissal of the characterisation of the Spartans. "Oh wow, the chick is a badass". Of course she is, you dolt. She's a Spartan. What's she supposed to do, pick flowers and give herself a makeover mid-battle?
Jorge looks like a big softie in comparison because he's the most stable. Being a Spartan-II he was literally bred for his role whereas the other members of Noble team have been upgraded mid-war and rightfully have some adjustment issues - not the least of which stems from the fact that the Spartan-III project was basically built on data stolen from Dr. Halsey's Spartan-II program, so the Spartan-III soldiers are even more vilified than the rest. They are the things that should not be. No longer human, but not quite a true Spartan.
Emile wants to stand out because he's a childish brat, his characterisation is that he's a tryhard, a wannabe, but you missed that because you didn't look past the skull he carved into his visor. Jun is probably the most stereotypical - the calm and collected sniper, but you completely overlooked him because you wanted to deride what you perceive as generic badassery to make your point about how Bungie promote fascism - which they don't. They do the opposite. The end of Reach is pretty clear in it's live by the sword, die by the sword mentality - but also makes it clear there was no other option. Fight or die. Fight and die.
All humanity wants to do is at least go down swinging, and Noble 6's decision in particular to stand and fight and accept that his/her sacrifice would assist in humanity's long-term survival and possibly truimph.
When the series comes full circle in Halo 3, you have Elites fighting alongside humanity - not out of a desire for token diversity but because of an alliance of necessity. Master Chief and the Arbiter are effectively the champions of their respective slave armies, who have risen above their differences and the politicking of their masters to fight a common foe. Maybe the symbolism there is intended, maybe it isn't. But since you don't care about the story of Halo and want to find symbolism to debase a series you already dislike, you could at least acknowledge that willingness to adapt and evolve as a culture, and embrace diversity, it what ultimately saves humanity. But you don't.
THAT is "the big picture".
Good to know that Bob is right out of the gates provoking the fanboys with GASP, an argument that actually makes sense. And I've noticed at least once in this comment thread he's gotten the 'Professional Troll' line, as well as the 'I'LL NEVAR WATCH ANYTHING YOU EVER DO'.
What I like about good sir Bob is not only that he will, every few months, stir the pot a little--get people good and pissed off about whatever video. It's always an entertaining show for us cooler heads. But I can't think of a single one that didn't come from a very much legitimate and honest point of view. Good on yeh, Bob. Good on yeh.
EDIT: A serious note, for you folks screaming at Bob. You have a lot to learn about analysis and critical thinking about video games, and Art in general. Even if you do think there are gaping holes in the argument Bob presents, it's a valid point to be brought to attention. Even if, for example, the Elites join the Humans during Halo 3 and beat the Covenant (I hear that's what happened, I was never able to finish that game) that doesn't mean the arguments presented are invalid, it means maybe there's a different conclusion to be reached. Say, that using a homogenized 'Master Race' can only get you so far, that we should embrace diversity to achieve our goals.
I guess what I'm saying is that you can disagree with Bob without declaring him or his arguments worthless, and you can find a way to discuss this without turning it into a You Vs. Bob narrative. And guys, we really need to. We should be discussing the medium of video games as an art form and giving it the respect it deserves, not screaming at each other about how the Master Chief isn't racist.
What I like about good sir Bob is not only that he will, every few months, stir the pot a little--get people good and pissed off about whatever video. It's always an entertaining show for us cooler heads. But I can't think of a single one that didn't come from a very much legitimate and honest point of view. Good on yeh, Bob. Good on yeh.
EDIT: A serious note, for you folks screaming at Bob. You have a lot to learn about analysis and critical thinking about video games, and Art in general. Even if you do think there are gaping holes in the argument Bob presents, it's a valid point to be brought to attention. Even if, for example, the Elites join the Humans during Halo 3 and beat the Covenant (I hear that's what happened, I was never able to finish that game) that doesn't mean the arguments presented are invalid, it means maybe there's a different conclusion to be reached. Say, that using a homogenized 'Master Race' can only get you so far, that we should embrace diversity to achieve our goals.
I guess what I'm saying is that you can disagree with Bob without declaring him or his arguments worthless, and you can find a way to discuss this without turning it into a You Vs. Bob narrative. And guys, we really need to. We should be discussing the medium of video games as an art form and giving it the respect it deserves, not screaming at each other about how the Master Chief isn't racist.
The blue eyes thing wasn't intended to be offensive...
THEY WERE JUST INJECTED WITH MAKO ENERGY. FINAL FANTASY AND HALO ARE CONNECTED. TOTALLY CANON GUYS.
THEY WERE JUST INJECTED WITH MAKO ENERGY. FINAL FANTASY AND HALO ARE CONNECTED. TOTALLY CANON GUYS.
In my opinion, someone who is true evil would be a person who delebrately causes pain and suffering with no reasons or regrets. By this standard the Nazis are not true evil, they religiously believed in the master race and wanted to perfect it. They had a reason for what they did, not a justafieable one but a reason none the less. This makes them and their actions "Vile".Warforger said:
Evil would have to be a person who is on the same page as Satan.
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Basically:
Bad with out cause = Evil
Bad with Cause = Vile