The Big Picture: Combat Evolved?
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This reads like something I'd make up when I'm desperately trying to finish an English paper hours before it's due in.
If there's a subtext of fear of unified races in the game, it's only because you've cherry-picked it out.
I'll be the first to admit that Halo doesn't have a good story. That said, I disagree with your conclusion that the game is, even unconciously, promoting the fear of unified races. Look at this from a gameplay standpoint and you'll see it's simply for a variety of things to shoot at, and to have to face enemies with different strengths and weaknesses.
What about in 2 and 3 where you end up allied with the Elites?
What about considering that they're only unified under a fundamentalist religion that started the thing in the first place?
Why don't we notice these subtexts? Because they're not really there. Throw me a Dicken's novel or a Shakespeare play and I'll have it including any subtext you want, as well as predicting the moon landing.
"If you look long enough into the void the void begins to look back through you."
If there's a subtext of fear of unified races in the game, it's only because you've cherry-picked it out.
I'll be the first to admit that Halo doesn't have a good story. That said, I disagree with your conclusion that the game is, even unconciously, promoting the fear of unified races. Look at this from a gameplay standpoint and you'll see it's simply for a variety of things to shoot at, and to have to face enemies with different strengths and weaknesses.
What about in 2 and 3 where you end up allied with the Elites?
What about considering that they're only unified under a fundamentalist religion that started the thing in the first place?
Why don't we notice these subtexts? Because they're not really there. Throw me a Dicken's novel or a Shakespeare play and I'll have it including any subtext you want, as well as predicting the moon landing.
"If you look long enough into the void the void begins to look back through you."
I never really picked up on the Humans being atheist, and I saw the error of the Covenant as not being religion itself but rather misguided religion. But one thing I kept noticing was all the biblically named stuff... The Ark, The Covenant, The Flood, Eden gets a mention, Halo itself, etc. Not entirely sure what (if anything) they were trying to do with it, though.sagacious said:
Wow, I love Escape to the Movies, and reading Intermission! Big Picture was very, very good and I can't wait to see more of it!!
From what I saw in this episode, this series is "The Game Overthinker" dressed up so Screw Attack doesn't sue.Delusibeta said:
As many of the people in this thread have pointed out, Bob may have been putting way too much thought into the game and noticed subtext that wasn't intentional. That's pretty much the whole point of "The Game Overthinker" and, by extension, this new show. No, it's not likely that this was intentional and no, Bungie aren't fascists. The point is that you can learn a lot about a culture by closely examining subtext present in society. I wouldn't call this show funny, but it's definitely enlightening and entertaining.
So what they've done is give Mr "bob" a free ride, and a show about absolutely nothing?
I like it.
I like it.
Interesting, got potential, but todays big picture was "Racism is bad, and Halo sucks."
It could get better.
It could get better.
I loved the video! I'm a huge Halo fan and, to be perfectly honest, it's refreshing to see someone with an actually well-constructed opinion on it beyond 'OMG MY HALOZ BE OWNING YOUR CODZ COZ COD SUX!'
However, I think his point about the Fascist undertones, i.e. the uniform human military forces against the diverse and racial diverse Covenant, was a little bit, for lack of a better term, weak. The Covenant, however diverse in terms of SPECIES, are fighting against the UNSC, the United Nations Space Command, which represents the entirety of the HUMAN race. European people, African people, Asian people, Arabic people, Latin people, Americans, Russians; everyone, of every descent is fighting against the Covenant for survival of the HUMAN race.
Other than that, every point he made was valid, certainly more so than others I've heard. Great work Bob, I love it!
However, I think his point about the Fascist undertones, i.e. the uniform human military forces against the diverse and racial diverse Covenant, was a little bit, for lack of a better term, weak. The Covenant, however diverse in terms of SPECIES, are fighting against the UNSC, the United Nations Space Command, which represents the entirety of the HUMAN race. European people, African people, Asian people, Arabic people, Latin people, Americans, Russians; everyone, of every descent is fighting against the Covenant for survival of the HUMAN race.
Other than that, every point he made was valid, certainly more so than others I've heard. Great work Bob, I love it!
I'm not a big face of the emotional face stills. Still, I think the show has promise and could be quiet interesting. Being blind to sub-text, its always interesting to see what other people gleamed.
Sweet, something to watch on tuesdays.
By the way, I like the fact that you choose Halo for the first ep. Considering that this show will piss people off, talking about Halo, a subject that WILL piss some people off is a good way of alerting people of what they're getting themselves into by watching it.
EDIT:Oh, and yeah, I forgot. Somebody might've mentioned this, but I think I can hear a fan of some description going on in the background. Or something, it's kind of annoying.
By the way, I like the fact that you choose Halo for the first ep. Considering that this show will piss people off, talking about Halo, a subject that WILL piss some people off is a good way of alerting people of what they're getting themselves into by watching it.
EDIT:Oh, and yeah, I forgot. Somebody might've mentioned this, but I think I can hear a fan of some description going on in the background. Or something, it's kind of annoying.
Yeah I have issues with this because I am one of the people who played Halo for the story. And read the books etc, which I actually found quite fun.
So here's my issue, I literally just came from an hour where I was arguing that a roomful of people were reading far too much into Shakespeare, and in reality he was just pleasing the masses, and the real intellectual writing of the day was done by others like Marlowe, and how it was probably this over-analysis of Shakespeare which led to him now being idolised like some sort of God of literature.
I think you see where I'm going with this but I'll spell it out for those who can't recognise patterns.
Halo is being built up by all these people as a treatise on things, or a reflection of current society, or used to make whatever point you want but the problem is that you're using it to make the point. I couldn't be happier because I like Halo, but to all these people who don't and are trying to put it down consistently? Yeah, you are the reason it's going to be remembered as a seminal turning point in human culture four hundred years from now, not me.
This is also the reason I don't comment on Twilight anymore, every time someone stirs the flames, it's going to get more popular.
You want Halo to go away? Shut the fuck up about it.
Nice to see Bob getting a little more recognition though.
So here's my issue, I literally just came from an hour where I was arguing that a roomful of people were reading far too much into Shakespeare, and in reality he was just pleasing the masses, and the real intellectual writing of the day was done by others like Marlowe, and how it was probably this over-analysis of Shakespeare which led to him now being idolised like some sort of God of literature.
I think you see where I'm going with this but I'll spell it out for those who can't recognise patterns.
Halo is being built up by all these people as a treatise on things, or a reflection of current society, or used to make whatever point you want but the problem is that you're using it to make the point. I couldn't be happier because I like Halo, but to all these people who don't and are trying to put it down consistently? Yeah, you are the reason it's going to be remembered as a seminal turning point in human culture four hundred years from now, not me.
This is also the reason I don't comment on Twilight anymore, every time someone stirs the flames, it's going to get more popular.
You want Halo to go away? Shut the fuck up about it.
Nice to see Bob getting a little more recognition though.
I think you're both missing the point. He isn't saying that Bungie is in racist, but that they have without even thinking about it made something that has many aspects that can be seen as racist and that they really ought to think it through before they make it. I mean, take the eye-changing thing, isn't there any other way they could show that the tranformation was complete rather than give the soldiers the eye-colour of the aric race? Even in context, I don't see any scientific reason why the eyes would change to blue.CosmicCommander said:
