The Big Picture: Combat Evolved?
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This was always what I read into it. The Covenant are fanatics being manipulated by "Prophets." Pretty obvious symbolism, I think.
But that trailer with the blue eyes thing... that's a little unsettling. I definitely agree with the idea that the Covenant is more interesting. I always preferred the Covenant's style to the comparatively bland Spartans, and this was true even after I found out they were basically trying to kill everyone in the universe. (Speaking of which, regardless of what you might think of the Covenant, they were trying to kill everyone in the universe. Kind of an important factor in the discussion.)
Ok, I'm just gonna say one thing, then I'll leave.
The reason the Spartans are so mono-typical is that they represent the human race sacrificing it's own humanity to prevent their destruction.
And that "common goal" the Covenant are working towards is the accidental destruction of all life in the galaxy.
The reason the Spartans are so mono-typical is that they represent the human race sacrificing it's own humanity to prevent their destruction.
And that "common goal" the Covenant are working towards is the accidental destruction of all life in the galaxy.
Interesting, this show looks like it could be either pretty good or awesome, however i'd keep the political stuff to a minimum if i were you.
I think you may have a point with this though i don't own any of the halo games.
However i wouldn't worry much about it spreading some sort of message. Most (not all) halo players are stupid, already racist 10 year-olds and incabable of noticing something like that anyway.
on the other hand...
If you're right however maybe bungie is putting the player in the posistion of a citizen of the country/planet that the spartans are defending and the games are like war films that paint the obviously evil/not as good as we're made to belive spartans as the perfect citizens of america/ earth (i think most of them are american).
I think you may have a point with this though i don't own any of the halo games.
However i wouldn't worry much about it spreading some sort of message. Most (not all) halo players are stupid, already racist 10 year-olds and incabable of noticing something like that anyway.
on the other hand...
Like i said i don't own any halo games but i'm pretty sure that each type of enemy would use different tactics. so yeah, i'm pretty sure it would be a gameplay thing, interesting episode though.Bobic said:
If you're right however maybe bungie is putting the player in the posistion of a citizen of the country/planet that the spartans are defending and the games are like war films that paint the obviously evil/not as good as we're made to belive spartans as the perfect citizens of america/ earth (i think most of them are american).
"I'm Bob and thats the big picture"
I really hope you aren't planning to make this your "catchphrase" because if you want to be taken seriously you shouldn't try snound like an a local American television host.
I'm very serious about this too, anchorman catchphrases are really really anoying to the rest of modern society.
Aside from that, I've never heard anyone else compare Halo to facist ideology.
So good job.
I really hope you aren't planning to make this your "catchphrase" because if you want to be taken seriously you shouldn't try snound like an a local American television host.
I'm very serious about this too, anchorman catchphrases are really really anoying to the rest of modern society.
Aside from that, I've never heard anyone else compare Halo to facist ideology.
So good job.
While I didn't exactly agree with Bob's views I still found this entertaining and look forward to future instalments.
Yeah, this always confused me. Why are the COGS supposed to be the good guys when they're the ones invading the Locust's home world? The games would have been a lot more interesting if instead of playing as a human you played as a Locust soldier, trying to take back your planet.unacomn said:
Interesting stuff. I don't think any of that was intentional but I can see the correlation. For me the difference comes with choice. The Covenant races didn't have any, they were converted. For the Spartan's they chose to become part of the ultimate in protection. Choice is everything. That is what makes the Covenant a threat. If they had showed up at Reach and said "hey you guys wanna play intergalactic UN with us?" and accepted whatever answer we gave, that would be ok. The fact that they came to conquer and enslave us, well that pretty much makes them an enemy. Regardless of their multiracial ranks.
Interesting points and I can't say I've thought of them before. I never really considered the covenant as any sort of multicultural society at all. I've always viewed them as, basically, a brainwashed religious cult.
Now there's a question for you. Which is better, the religious cult or the nazi-esque fascists?
Now there's a question for you. Which is better, the religious cult or the nazi-esque fascists?
A third show MovieBob?
Anyway, something that you do completely fail to mention is that the "real" bad guys of the Haloverse are the Flood (granted the Flood aren't in Reach). And what is the Flood? From the viewer's standpoint you could consider them a blend of zombies (a rabid, generic mob) and a sentient superorganism (which as you mentioned is basically the most conformist society that could possibly exist).
And yes, the overtly fascist nature of the UNSC is meant to be a negative thing. However, the UNSC itself isn't necessarily a "good guy". It's all morally ambiguous in the backstory really, even the Prophet of Truth is just doing what he thinks is best for the Covenant (he's like Hitler in many ways). Most of the time though (especially in the games) moral ambiguity sort of fades away in the need for survival. This is a story about war after all, genocidal war at that.
Anyway, something that you do completely fail to mention is that the "real" bad guys of the Haloverse are the Flood (granted the Flood aren't in Reach). And what is the Flood? From the viewer's standpoint you could consider them a blend of zombies (a rabid, generic mob) and a sentient superorganism (which as you mentioned is basically the most conformist society that could possibly exist).
And yes, the overtly fascist nature of the UNSC is meant to be a negative thing. However, the UNSC itself isn't necessarily a "good guy". It's all morally ambiguous in the backstory really, even the Prophet of Truth is just doing what he thinks is best for the Covenant (he's like Hitler in many ways). Most of the time though (especially in the games) moral ambiguity sort of fades away in the need for survival. This is a story about war after all, genocidal war at that.
Hmm okay I see your point, it does seem that the spartans represent a fascist force. But that doesnt make the covenant good guys either. The european empires of the past used a large amount of forces from their conquered territories to fight for them so they could conquer more. That is not multi culturalism or diversity, that is a people being exploited by a more capable people for the conquerors own ends.