The Big Picture: Holy Spoilers Batman!
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Oh, I don't think it being Miranda was TOO obvious in the context of just this movie; it's just that from the moment Ra's Al Ghul was announced as a character for "Batman Begins" people (myself included) have been just assuming she's going to show up at some point and looking at every female character in the series as a possible surprise-reveal (right up until midway through "Dark Knight," I actually had a cash bet going with some people that she'd turn out to be Rachel Dawes) and when Miranda started being very vague about her "difficult past" in this one that was more-or-less the final giveaway.Leemaster777 said:
They are not in a row.. You missed the Worlds within worlds right smack dab in the middle.Mikeyfell said:
Then whole "Robin" John Black annoyed me the most from the references from the comic books. Ra's, Talia, and Bane histories are fairly different, but I can look past them because they work fit with Nolan's Batman continuity. (Still annoyed that the movie pronounces Ra's as "Raz" instead of "Ray-sh" tho) But calling Joseph Goden-Levitt character Robin at the end made groan so much.
I know it's probably because I big comic fan, but I hate that degraded Robin as one person when in there comics that position has be given to many characters with different personalities and ambitions(some who have been girls). The movie loved to point out how The Batman was just a symbol and that anybody can take up the mantle, but really thats more true with Robin. The person whose at Bruce's side and keeps him in check.
I don't know I thought the movie was setting up John Blake to be a new Batman, kind of like a revamped Batman Beyond type thing, but then they go on calling him Robin which is kind of confusing, so yah didn't sit right with me.
I know it's probably because I big comic fan, but I hate that degraded Robin as one person when in there comics that position has be given to many characters with different personalities and ambitions(some who have been girls). The movie loved to point out how The Batman was just a symbol and that anybody can take up the mantle, but really thats more true with Robin. The person whose at Bruce's side and keeps him in check.
I don't know I thought the movie was setting up John Blake to be a new Batman, kind of like a revamped Batman Beyond type thing, but then they go on calling him Robin which is kind of confusing, so yah didn't sit right with me.
Based pure on what we saw in the movie without comic knowledge I figured out she was a villain when they went after the truck and it turned out to be th wrong one.
It is a small complaint but it was bugging me, Ras is pronounced Ray-Sh, granted the movies get it wrong but the animated series and the red hood movie don't.
It is a small complaint but it was bugging me, Ras is pronounced Ray-Sh, granted the movies get it wrong but the animated series and the red hood movie don't.
The 5 major Robins are:LTlewis said:
Dick Grayson- Later goes on to be Nightwing, then Batman when Bruce "dies", then back to Nightwing in the reboot
Jason Todd- Robin for a short time, but fans hated him and was later killed off by the Joker, but came back as Red Hood
Tim Drake- Kind of forced himself to be the next Robin, after he found out Bruce identity and noticed he needed a Robin by his side. Later became Red Robin
Stephanie Brown- Daughter of villain, became the vigilante Spoiler, and later made her own Robin costume and and tells Bruce shes the next Robin. She screws up and Bruce like exiles her. Later became the 3rd Batgirl.
Damian Wayne- Douch kid extreme, son of Bruce and Talia. Thinks he's the shit and always trying to get daddies approval.
Theres more than 5 but the other where in alternate universes or only for a very short time.
Well, they don't in the mainstream universe, or what was the mainstream universe before the reboot. Only in the Kingdom Come alternate universe. For the record she was called Nightstar, I think, and looked like Starfire if you palette swapped her from orange/gold to purple/blackFrank_Sinatra_ said:
Robin 1 is Dick Grayson who grows up to be Nightwing then Batman for a bitLTlewis said:
Robin 2 is Jason Todd who died, but was brought back and became the Red Hood
Robin 3 is Tim Drake who I think upgraded to Nightwing when the old Nightwing (the first Robin) started being Batman
Robin 4 is Stephanie Brown, I believe, the hero formerly known as Spoiler. I don't know much about her except she supposedly died but turned out not to be (there seems to be a pattern developing here)
Robin 5 is Damien Wayne, the one talked about in the video.
I think thats accurate
EDIT: D'ooooh, ninja'd on both counts
Ya, I did a little look up after posting and Nightfire apparently marries talia and batmans's son and has a couple kids. That is one crazy looking family tree.faefrost said:
For the record Bob, the Kingdome Come audio drama produced by the BBC pronounced it iban (soft I) al Zoo Fosh (soft O). I can't claim credibility as to if they got it right, but it's better than the mumbling you did.
Bane did what we expected from him, so i see no prob there.
Beeing badass, break Bat's ass.
Talia however..., was badly integrated into the movie.
More like...."ow we need to remind people of that movie before TDK"
Seeing as how important her character is to the Batman mythos
and then getting this irrational Bond villain wannabe woman....
Safe to say, i was disappointed.
As for the "Robin" reveal.
We all knew when Joseph was cast, he'd be Robin, in some way.
I actually applaud Nolan for doing it more subtle than i expected.
Seriously thought/semi-hoped we'd get a Batman Beyond thing, with a new Batman in the second half of the movie.
Beeing badass, break Bat's ass.
Talia however..., was badly integrated into the movie.
More like...."ow we need to remind people of that movie before TDK"
Seeing as how important her character is to the Batman mythos
and then getting this irrational Bond villain wannabe woman....
Safe to say, i was disappointed.
As for the "Robin" reveal.
We all knew when Joseph was cast, he'd be Robin, in some way.
I actually applaud Nolan for doing it more subtle than i expected.
Seriously thought/semi-hoped we'd get a Batman Beyond thing, with a new Batman in the second half of the movie.
I didn't see the twist coming, and I had no excuse. I knew Ra's had a daughter, and was a romantic interest for Batman. I should have figured it out early, but was genuinely (and pleasantly) surprised when it happened. Not that it really changed anything beyond making Bane a bit more sympathetic.Leemaster777 said:
This video does have a hint of the smug "I already knew what was going to happen because I read the comics!" The exploration of the silly source material was good though.
i know very little about comics, especially DC, so this was pretty damn interesting.
also that a little teen titans cut-away genuinely made me laugh, literally came out of no where haha
also that a little teen titans cut-away genuinely made me laugh, literally came out of no where haha
Close. Although Robin 3, Tim Drake became "Red Robin", not Nightwing. (Dick Grayson is shown as Red Robin in the Kingdom Come series as Tim Drake had not yet been created when it was written. Tim Drake shifted from Robin to a darker more adult Red Robin when Batman was killed, Nightwing became Batman and Daimien Wayne showed up.)Pallindromemordnillap said:
Robin 4, Stephanie Brown became Batgirl 4 for awhile. At least up until DC's latest total retcon reboot of their universe.
There is also the speculative future "Robin 6", Carrie Kelly, from Frank Miller's Dark Knight Returns series. (It is also worth noting that it is implied in Miller's series that what set off Batman's 10 year retirement was the death of Robin 2, Jason Todd at the hands of the Joker. Oddly prophetic as it was published several years before the characters death by telephone poll ala American Idol.)
Another possible alternate future Robin was the character "Max" from the Batman Beyond series. Although she never took on the name or a costume.