omegawyrm said:
Father Time said:
MovieBob said:
while the worst excesses of the "masculist" culture that preceded it included forced-subservience, casual spousal-abuse, female non-personhood and rape as a legally-unprovable "thing that happened" as everyday accepted ways of life.
Yes all of that is masculinity's fault despite the fact that you can find rapists, spousal abusers etc. amongst women. It makes sense in a stupid nonsensical sort of way.
Edit: Or do you just conveniently define masculinity as those bad traits?
Yeah, some women probably take advantage of their gender to get unfair treatment and that's not fair, but you're going to have to get the hell over it.
Men still enjoy far larger amounts of privilege and power than women do. You don't think it's fair that we have to make concessions to a group that's been disenfranchised for all of history until very recently? Too fucking bad! This problem is bigger than you and just because you think women are given equal treatment to men in all of your personal experiences doesn't mean that no one is being discriminated against anywhere. We can concede a whole hell of a lot and still enjoy massive social double standards in our favor that are so ingrained into the cultural psyche that we see them as our rights.
Isn't that sort of going against the point of trying to ease tension? If what we're trying to do is create equality amongst the genders, wouldn't the better answer be to keep both genders on a true equal field, so that when the newer generation grows up they can realise that men and women are pretty much the same (bar some obvious physiological dfferences of course) and that the previous stand-points of one gender being superior to another being viewed as just plain wrong?
This method of "Well I guess there are men out there that are still privelaged, so here's some privelages that neither gender has had before" seems counter-intuitive to that, because it only in-grains seeds of resentment in men who because they had no part in the previous bad behaviour yet are being with-held certain privelages because they are being treated as being responsible for the previous behaviour, especially if these men have not experienced these privelages that people say they do (not once has my gender given me any special benefits that were not given to women, so I'm having a tough time figuring out what these privelages are exactly), and for women it only in-grains seeds of confusion, as the newer generation doesn't understand why they are given privelages for things they themselves have never personally encountered or experienced, and it brings to question if what they accomplish is actually a feat of their own strength and talent or is a result of gender specific privelages.
In other words the idea of men and women are equal can never become a part of the norm because already men and women are being treated differently because of certain privelages the gender either has or doesn't have.
And lets say then it comes to the point where baring the extra privelages given out of "balance" are finally equal to the point of where it's the same, what then? Are the extra privelages just taken away, or are they left around? We then run into the situation of either removing privelages that themselves have been in-grained into the sociatal psyche (since if your belief that several male privelages are in-grained as the norm today, this mean the same could happen with female privelages) which in turn causes an up-heaval from those claiming the action is trying to make one gender inferior to another (which would sort of put an end to the whole job of trying to inspire the notion of equality), or the privelages remain in which case again mean and women wouldn't technically be equal at that point. It would seem the best option then at that point would be to phase out the extra privelages gradually as the measure of equality rises, but this brings the issue of a) which privelages take precident to stay and which don't and b) if no one is able to agree about what raises the measure of equality then how can people start to phase out?
