The Big Picture: Magneto Was Right

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CatmanStu

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I don't know how, but this video made me go from empathic understanding to disdainful apathy in the space of a few minutes.
Although, being a 'geek' in school myself, I can understand resentment towards those of a more, shall we say, athletic persuasion, when it's all said and done having an elitist mentality about anything is as much a sign of closed mindedness as being a jock arsehole; in fact it's technically worse as you consciously close of your mind rather than having it clouded by hormones and peer pressure.
 

Scarim Coral

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What happen to let forgive and forget although I would be a hypocrite to stand by that since I still hold a grudge at some people from high school. While it true that would initially join Magneto but I don't exactly hate the non mutant people to the point I want to rule over or kill them all (although my opinion would be different if I was a mutant with ability).
 

MaraJade03

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Oh yea definitely Magneto, always agreed a little more with that side back when I watch the old cartoon.
Aiddon said:
I'll be on the side of DEADPOOL
On second thought I'll be on Deadpool's side too. He'll at least make things fun.
 

John the Gamer

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Yeah! Magneto is awesome. Also: I want superpowers. Preferably the ability to modify my DNA at will. (all superpowers at once possible)
 

Gigano

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I'd definitely be on the "teach discriminators a lesson" team, though not by illegal means. So a sympathizer of Magneto, but not his methods.

Brotherhood Scribe, I suppose.

...You can't really ever not sympathize with Ian MacKellan though.
 

Dango

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Not be rude, but I can't help but feel that his point was based off a ridiculous generalization.
 

RatRace123

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Hmm, that's a good question. I'd like to say that I'd fall on the side of the X-men.
But, knowing me like I do, the Brotherhood is much more my style.
 

RobfromtheGulag

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X-men's ideology is obviously just a cliche 'moral lesson' in a palatable package, but I agree, especially with Gandalf's demeanor and convincing prose behind the movie incarnation of Magneto.

*Bonus Points* for the inclusion of Bob Ross!
 

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Not like Magneto's team of mistifts were any different from the same morons they targeted for their revenge, they were simply more powerful... if anything, Magneto exemplifies the 'bullied = bully' thrope, which is just the best example you can imagine of a neverending circle of reardation.
 

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Meh, I take Bob's angle to be just another self-empowerment fantasy. The idea that bullies are somehow intimidated by a nerds "superior" intellect or alternate vision is nonsense. They wouldn't pick on a nerd, no matter how geeky he/she was, if they happened to be six foot six and on the basket ball team.

Nerds are targeted because they are often physically weak, and that is it. A bully relies on their superior physicality to intimidate and exersize control over those who can't defend themselves. It is unfortunate, but it is primitive drive that has stayed with us from the days where we swung around in trees. The reason why there seems to be a lot of weak nerds is probably because the physical weakness encourages the guys/girls to endeavour in areas that do not require a physical expertise. You do not need to be a muscleman to gain an encyclopaedic knowledge of the Star Trek saga.

EDIT just occured to me that there is another issue with this vid. It talks about how media and entertainment demonise the "different" (i.e. intellectual) through portraying them as elitists and freaks etc. What about the portrayal of Jocks in movies? Are they not demonised as well? They always get portrayed as arrogant, boorish bullies who can't string two words together. The Deliverence portrayed Southern, unintelligent people as inbred, backwater hillbilly rapists. American Psycho satires the handsome young yuppies and entrepeneurs as ego driven pshycopaths.

Every social group gets demonised at some point, depending on who the story is about and who is writing the story. I always find the "anti-intellectualist" movement to be dubious, especially as the producers and writers of entertainment and media aren't exactly simpletons themselves.
 

Diablo2000

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I'd be in the "I will make good, but only if pay me really well" side of things, just like Deadpool.
 

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I'd probably take Magneto's side. I'm not such a nice person to begin with.

And so the "pickers" would become the "pickees"? o_O
 

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There's another reason why Magneto is right anyway... technically, 'Homo Superior' isn't some kind of mutation (i.e. despite being called Mutant)... it's evolution.

Meaning that in the Marvel Universe (barring that whole House of M debacle), in a couple hundred years - the 'mutants' will be the majority. And Magneto, if history keeps his name around, will probably be seen as some kind of messianic figure.
 

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MovieBob said:
Magneto Was Right

This week, Bob looks at what it's like to be "different."

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An interesting look into our escapist reactions to bullying. I think really, perhaps unintentionally, you've hit on the very heart of bullying, when you get right down to it:

Bullying is the act of forcing someone else to engage you in a domain in which you know you have the advantage, for the purposes of demonstrating your superiority and exerting control. This is often (but not always) fueled by frustration with an area of a person's life in which they feel inferior, or that control is being exerted over them. (NOTE: This is not intended to excuse bullying in any way)

The most overt and easy type of bullying is, of course, physical. Bigger kid picks on smaller kid. Why? Because bigger kid is better at... being bigger. So, big kid can force little kid to eat bugs and dirt, or take his lunch money. It is hard to counteract this type of bullying because:

1) It's easy to do. Just be bigger and/or stronger.
2) It requires little effort. There are plenty of readily-available targets to choose from.
3) It is hard for the target to escape.

(The only ways to address it are by avoidance, which is difficult in settings like school, or by meeting with like force. And, of course, the reason you were chosen as a target is because that is unlikely to go well for you.)

But there are other types of bullying, and all work the same way. You pick something you are good at doing. You pair yourself up with someone who is not good at it. You show them who's boss, forcing them to admit (by word or deed) your superiority.

Where the geek/nerd crowd meets with frustration is that it is far more difficult to force someone to engage you on an intellectual battlefield if they don't want to. Physically, you can block someone from leaving a room... but intellectually? It's just not as concrete. This promotes the feeling of powerlessness in the Geeks--they are forced to face their own inferiority in the physical domain, but are not given equal opportunity to demonstrate their superiority in the intellectual domain.

So instead, we concoct fantastical means by which our own advantages become translated into our "enemy's" domain. My brains become a proportionate amount of brawn, allowing me to "beat you at your own game," since I don't have the opportunity to beat you at mine. Of course, we also keep our brains, and we don't give our enemy the same fantastical exchange... which is why heroes are usually smart and strong, while villains are just one or the other.

A lot of the superhero mythos revolves around the struggle between Will and Force--or intellectual strength and physical strength. Pretty interesting stuff.
 

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Cracked took an interesting approach to the villainy of humans through the first X-Men movie, the article itself is more aimed specifically at movie villains hence why it ignores the comics & animated features, but anyway;

The "villain": Headed by Senator Robert Kelly in the first X-Men movie, the Mutant Registration Side are the speciecist.. spesist... racist ... the jerks who demand a legislative bill forcing every super-powered individual in the country to register with the government. Just like the Jews in Nazi Germany!

Hold on a minute there:The Nazi analogy would probably work a lot better if real-life Jews could shoot boiling acid out of their assholes or level entire cities by blinking, which our Jewish friends assure us only Mossad agents can do. The X-Men mutants on the other hand actually can conjure up hurricanes, stop time, and completely alter a person's mind until he really believes that Flavor Flav is a reasonable and intelligent media personality. It seems perfectly understandable that some folks might want to keep tabs on such individuals. If they require licenses for concealed handguns, they should probably keep some of these guys on file too.

Then there's the argument that mutants are in control of their powers, hence why the registration in unnecessary. And what happens when they can't? As a human in the X-Men movies you constantly have to be on the lookout not only for the evil mutants who want to kill you, but also for the supposed "good guys" who are often in the process of accidentally killing you. In X-Men, Cyclops loses his protective goggles in a crowded train station and just starts straight fire-blasting with his Murder Vision uncontrollably, unable to handle his powers or discern between bad guys and random kids who happen to be in the same building. And he's the good guy! In X2, every human on the planet almost had their brains melted simultaneously by a mutant.

Obviously there is a thin line between cautious concern and downright mutant-prejudice but cut the civilians of the X-Men universe some slack. They live in constant fear, not knowing if the guy they just cut off on the freeway can explode their dick with his mind.


Read more: http://www.cracked.com/article_18417_the-lighter-side-dark-side-5-villains-who-were-good.html
 

boholikeu

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I don't think it has anything to do with being different. Bullies pick on nerds because we're an easy target.

Redem said:
Heh...kinda feel two somewhat opposite stand

"Nerd tend to have a persecution complex were they seem themselves as superior and in a way its rubish fantasy"(something I agree) and "Anti-intellectualism is the cause of this and really its the persecution of nerd and intellectual that is the root of all evil" which I think is just kinda repeating the cycle.

"The you're different" usually suppose to be interpreted as essentially some base instinct behavior, basicly something that don't need a logical eason to be
I was thinking this too while watching the video.
 

Okysho

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I hate to admit it, but I think Bob's got a really good point here... I wouldn't mind spreading the anguish...
 

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there shuold be a 3rd side: one that is tolerant to the inferior humans, until they show intolerance, and then you kill them! BUT onley the intolerant ones!

on the other hand, if Magneto gives me that cool helmet (god i love that thing! don't realy know why) I'll be on whatever side he wants me to be...
 

Evilsanta

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You make a very good point Bob. Really enjoying this show.

And Magneto. Because most humans in the X-Men universe seems to be dickheads.