The Big Picture: Magneto Was Right

[LawlessSquirrel]

You know, Magneto was never in the wrong. He's justified in his cause. I don't think I'd go the whole genetic domination route alongside him, but I wouldn't stick with the X-Men either.

I'd probably fit into the category of about every introduction to the characters, where I'd be a neutral force occasionally helping and occasionally getting snip-its of revenge until one of them tries to assimilate me.

Because, hey, everyone needs to belong somewhere. I just don't think I'd feel strongly enough about the causes to seek them out myself.

 

[TwistedEllipses]

Easily Magneto...as long as he chose somewhere more stable than Asteroid M to set up shop...

 

[Xelophant]

I don't usually ever comment on anything and watch silently from the sidelines but I had to say something. I agree fully with this.

When I was growing up I was relentlessly picked on and not for a usual normal reason. For being bigger than most kids and quiet most of the time, it made the bullies of the school want to pick fights with me. Why? I guess it's that mentality when your in prison to knock out the biggest guy there so no one screws with you.

I'd totally be with Magneto.

 

[Nincompoop]

I'd be on the "Get tha fuck outa my way or I will go all mutant on your ass" team. Basically just live my life as it is, and kick some ass if anyone won't let me.

 

[LogicNProportion]

I'm seriously considering that I'll stop watching this piss. I've disagreed with Bob on numerous occasions before, but The Big Picture is like a newly-grown tumor on his brain. I can understand the bitterness and overall disinclination from society, but the sheer egotism in this episode was unparalleled to anything I've ever seen in regards to nerd culture.

Bob, you and I and most other people weren't bullied in school because we're different/special/"superior" - it's often part of the reason, but what makes others bully you is the social factor. It's also the reason for why they CAN bully you in the first place - you're not a part of any real social circle, or the one or two friends you do have are shite. And hand in hand together with that goes the fact that you're psychologically weak. You may lull yourself with the comforting thought of your superior intellect if you want to, Bob, but answer me this: does he who is really so goddamn smart allow himself to be continually bullied? Of course not! Again, it's comforting to think that the world is divided into the big bad jocks and the oppressed but good nerds, but back then at least it was the other way around - you were the idiot, and they were smart. Smart and consciously evil to some extent. They started bullying you because they identified the psychological weakness and thus an opportunity for entertainment, and kept going at it because they knew you wouldn't fight back.
I'd be willing to bet my life that this is how it was with at least 95% of us.

AND WE ALL FUCKING DESERVED IT.

dude what is wrong with???

...I actually kind of agree with him.

But, who says that they simply weren't using a sort of predatory reasoning? Many of us were the more meager, they are insecure, so they put us down, etc.

 

[mykalwane]

I got to agree with you Bob from a logic point of view. Experience has taught me that point of view is wrong. There will always be someone that will be attacking you for what/who you are. The internet says it best with "Haters gonna hate". So you have to go with life the way you live ends up with making you happy. People are going to attack you for that no matter what. I try to be a gentleman and it has lead to many kicks in the balls for opening a door for women. Quite literally here. I've tried not being one with it leading to equal amounts of bruised sexual organs. After the pain goes down it is better for it to be for who you are then who you aren't. The lesson many bullies teach.

On the point of people saying geeks are targeted because they are weak isn't always true. I've been big in all dimensions since I was about 10. Picking on someone because they are physically weak isn't always true. Teaming up on one person mob style with a whole grade make it possible for the picking on to still happen.

 

[Red Right Hand]

To be honest, i'd be on the "rob the federal reserves and then fuck off to South America" team.

 

[SimGrave]

I believe it's a ramdom act.
Bullies like to show off.
Bullies like to beat stuff and people up.
Bullies want attention from other people.
Bullies choose the physical way to draw attention.
Bullies will pick the easier target to make fun.

It think trying to understand what's going on into the bully's head is a better approach than trying to understand what did the victims have done to deserve it.
The answer would be: nothing, they did nothing wrong.
Making fun of someone fat, gay, skinny, black, braces, glasses... it's just the easiest way to do it.

Bullies make fun of people using their most distinct differences.
And than the "normal" people will find that funny.
Because the Bully successfully got the reaction he was looking for, he will repeat the experience.
Over and over and over, until the joke is not funny anymore.
And sometimes it take a awful lot of time for a joke to wear off.

And then the bullied ones try to fit in to make it stop, but it often just make things worse.
As sad it is to say it, once you have been selected as a victim, there's not much you can do.
The wrong thing to do, I believe, would be to blame yourself and re-evaluate yourself as a human being, because you didn't do anything wrong.

 

[ShenCS]

I found bullying to be more a case of respect and less about the P-T hypothesis. Humans seek both conformity and dominance, so if you see someone not conforming, you're driven to try and dominate it until they do. Those who don't conform are evolutionary outsiders and would be more likely to die in the world of our ancestors because they don't have a strong social circle to protect themselves with. In this way, it could be argued that bullies are unconsciously trying to help you survive. Weird I know. Anyway, respect: if you can prove that you're not only capable of dominating them but their entire social circle that they rely on, they will leave you alone. Which can be accomplished easier than you think as humans are quite naturally cowardly.
Bit of amateur evolutionary psychology theorising.

 

[thebighead01]

I'm seriously considering that I'll stop watching this piss. I've disagreed with Bob on numerous occasions before, but The Big Picture is like a newly-grown tumor on his brain. I can understand the bitterness and overall disinclination from society, but the sheer egotism in this episode was unparalleled to anything I've ever seen in regards to nerd culture.

Bob, you and I and most other people weren't bullied in school because we're different/special/"superior" - it's often part of the reason, but what makes others bully you is the social factor. It's also the reason for why they CAN bully you in the first place - you're not a part of any real social circle, or the one or two friends you do have are shite. And hand in hand together with that goes the fact that you're psychologically weak. You may lull yourself with the comforting thought of your superior intellect if you want to, Bob, but answer me this: does he who is really so goddamn smart allow himself to be continually bullied? Of course not! Again, it's comforting to think that the world is divided into the big bad jocks and the oppressed but good nerds, but back then at least it was the other way around - you were the idiot, and they were smart. Smart and consciously evil to some extent. They started bullying you because they identified the psychological weakness and thus an opportunity for entertainment, and kept going at it because they knew you wouldn't fight back.
I'd be willing to bet my life that this is how it was with at least 95% of us.

AND WE ALL FUCKING DESERVED IT.

dude what is wrong with???

...I actually kind of agree with him.

But, who says that they simply weren't using a sort of predatory reasoning? Many of us were the more meager, they are insecure, so they put us down, etc.

so you agree with him that if you aren't capable of standing up to your bullies you deserve it?

 

[James Raynor]

Doesn't bullying also beget bullying?

 

[dex-dex]

As much as I would despise it I would be on the "taking names and kicking ass!"

I have the same belief that you have and when I was in grade six to grade eight, I was ostrasized and I had no clue why. now that I look back on it, it was because I was too odd for their social acceptance. I only talk to one person that I knew in elementary school and that is only occasionally because she was not a *****. Once secondary school came I found out that there were not assholes in the world. These people had made my life better and I love them all even more. also during secondary school closer towards grade twelve and victory lap, people who I had the belief that were friends and nice people It turned out that a part of myself that I saw was not abnormal. I started to coil back in and not want to socialize for fear that more friends would leave because of my difference.

Thank you for making an episode of this!

 

[MB202]

For some reason, I really liked this episode. A lot.

I'm kind of a doormat myself, and I'm not keen on real-life violence, so, I don't know if I'd be on Magento's side.

 

[millertime059]

I experienced targeted, focused, and severe bullying throughout elementary school and jr high. The problem was I was also inherently nice, and nonconfrontational. I simply did not deal with it, until one day I did. Took two incidents in the span of a week where I put a kid in the nurses office, then imagine that, no more bullying.

Point being I was nice, and would have been on the good side, until I reached that point of no return. Most people (in my opinion) wouldn't strike out against people initially, but everyone has their tipping point. My problem with the Magneto side idea is the indiscriminate hate. Treat me fine, I treat you fine, I wouldn't hate you for being normal. Be a dick, suffer my wrath.

Being a non super being though,I try a different tack. On the rare occasion such ostracism occurs nowadays (I'm working, rules are different, bullying doesn't usually exist in the form Bob was talking about) I strike back in more subtle ways. First I try to ignore you, insist on being a jerk and I go full bore snarky asshole on you. I'll talk over your head, insult your intelligence, and generally call you stupid in such a way as to make it go over their head. I then laugh at my own private joke. Is it nice, no. Do they realize it, not usually.

 

[LogicNProportion]

I'm seriously considering that I'll stop watching this piss. I've disagreed with Bob on numerous occasions before, but The Big Picture is like a newly-grown tumor on his brain. I can understand the bitterness and overall disinclination from society, but the sheer egotism in this episode was unparalleled to anything I've ever seen in regards to nerd culture.

Bob, you and I and most other people weren't bullied in school because we're different/special/"superior" - it's often part of the reason, but what makes others bully you is the social factor. It's also the reason for why they CAN bully you in the first place - you're not a part of any real social circle, or the one or two friends you do have are shite. And hand in hand together with that goes the fact that you're psychologically weak. You may lull yourself with the comforting thought of your superior intellect if you want to, Bob, but answer me this: does he who is really so goddamn smart allow himself to be continually bullied? Of course not! Again, it's comforting to think that the world is divided into the big bad jocks and the oppressed but good nerds, but back then at least it was the other way around - you were the idiot, and they were smart. Smart and consciously evil to some extent. They started bullying you because they identified the psychological weakness and thus an opportunity for entertainment, and kept going at it because they knew you wouldn't fight back.
I'd be willing to bet my life that this is how it was with at least 95% of us.

AND WE ALL FUCKING DESERVED IT.

dude what is wrong with???

...I actually kind of agree with him.

But, who says that they simply weren't using a sort of predatory reasoning? Many of us were the more meager, they are insecure, so they put us down, etc.

so you agree with him that if you aren't capable of standing up to your bullies you deserve it?

Complacency will always deserve what comes to it.

While I do believe in defending those who can not defend themselves...it would be nice if more people learned that in order to survive a bit more, you need to adapt to the situation...

 

[Ashoten]

O I know why nerds are picked on. Your on the right track Bob. It steams from the primordial programing that most meat-heads adhere to without knowing it. Anyone that isn't pulling their weight by gathering resources or protecting society needs to be gotten rid of(that's the primitive programing talking).

Most of the intellectual work that nerds engage in has no physically obvious or tangible results. Yes even if your an engineer that designs space ships because your job largely involves sitting at a desk staring at a computer(that's how its perceived even if it's not true). This means there is no physical aspect of a nerds job or actions that the jock can really comprehend as being productive. Especially in a school setting where your academic achievements have no physical actions compared to sports.

I.E. Jocks exist in a physical realm while nerds exist in an intellectual one. This bothers them and so they react in the only way their DNA knows how. By trying to ostracize nerds or make them feel bad so they start pulling their weight. This is also why(as Bob pointed out) nerds tend to have heros whos thoughts translate into actions or power. Wizards and Jedi being a popular choice because magic/the force is controlled by pure mental will.

Dr.Who being the biggest nerdgasm because his intellectual might translates to pure irresistible animal magnetism.

 

[OctalLord]

(too bad there's no story mode though).

Actually... http://kotaku.com/5518024/marvel-vs-capcom-3-will-be-a-living-comic-with-a-deep-story

And in case you're not feeling the link, Quote from the article

"It's important that game's have strong stories for Marvel," Baker said. "With fighting games it's not as essential as an action game or role playing game but we are very much insisting there be some cohesive kind of story for this game.

"We actually have a subtitle for the game that means something this time. In the coming months we will be giving you more information about it."

There are early copies of the game in the wild and trust me THERE'S NO STORY MODE. There was a livestream on justin.tv that revealed it.

So much for seeming like the well-informed cool guy. That's a little sad that there isn't a story mode. I was actually looking forward to that. Oh well, at least when I get my hands on the game I can punch my problems and make myself feel better.

 

[thebighead01]

I'm seriously considering that I'll stop watching this piss. I've disagreed with Bob on numerous occasions before, but The Big Picture is like a newly-grown tumor on his brain. I can understand the bitterness and overall disinclination from society, but the sheer egotism in this episode was unparalleled to anything I've ever seen in regards to nerd culture.

Bob, you and I and most other people weren't bullied in school because we're different/special/"superior" - it's often part of the reason, but what makes others bully you is the social factor. It's also the reason for why they CAN bully you in the first place - you're not a part of any real social circle, or the one or two friends you do have are shite. And hand in hand together with that goes the fact that you're psychologically weak. You may lull yourself with the comforting thought of your superior intellect if you want to, Bob, but answer me this: does he who is really so goddamn smart allow himself to be continually bullied? Of course not! Again, it's comforting to think that the world is divided into the big bad jocks and the oppressed but good nerds, but back then at least it was the other way around - you were the idiot, and they were smart. Smart and consciously evil to some extent. They started bullying you because they identified the psychological weakness and thus an opportunity for entertainment, and kept going at it because they knew you wouldn't fight back.
I'd be willing to bet my life that this is how it was with at least 95% of us.

AND WE ALL FUCKING DESERVED IT.

dude what is wrong with???

...I actually kind of agree with him.

But, who says that they simply weren't using a sort of predatory reasoning? Many of us were the more meager, they are insecure, so they put us down, etc.

so you agree with him that if you aren't capable of standing up to your bullies you deserve it?

Complacency will always deserve what comes to it.

While I do believe in defending those who can not defend themselves...it would be nice if more people learned that in order to survive a bit more, you need to adapt to the situation...

you're not american by any chance are you?

 

[Purplefood1]

If i ever do get superpowers? Probably on Magneto's side, there's a few people i have yet to get even with...

 

[CoL0sS]

I was never physically bullied, mostly because I was tallest kid in my school but only teased and laughed at. I wouldn't say bullies did that because they felt intimidated but because they knew they could get away with it; they knew I wouldn't respond in any way. Stupid things kids do...

As for which side I'd choose....Well the one that has Vinnie Jones of course