The Big Picture: PC Gaming Is Dead - Long Live PC Gaming!
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I see this guys point, but the majority of the comments he made are very ignorant and exaggerated. Many people such as myself will always prefer the PC to a small, unreliable device such as the iPad.
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Looks like a stalemate, pardner.
The X360 controller works with all Games for Windows Live games, I believe.
And plenty of people will prefer portability and accessibility.cgmetallica1981 said:
Looks like a stalemate, pardner.
There's a bit of a stigma against using controllers on the PC, I don't know why. I suspect it's just machismo. Unless you're pulling off 360 no-scopes with a $100 mouse and keyboard setup, you're not an 31337 g4m3r.Alexridiculous said:
The X360 controller works with all Games for Windows Live games, I believe.
it is incorrect to say that pc gaming is dead.
it is more appropriate to state "consoles, tabs, and phones are closing the gap, therefore what we consider "PC" will be very different"
with enough power most of these items could meet the computer as far as graphics, and blow it away when comparing potential utility. that seems to be bob's focus.
pcs have a safe period, because you still need a wifi spot to connect these machines without a land line. but if a tablet/phone/console could be used anywhere, carried with you, and do everything a computer did, plus whatever they do, it would be realistic to say that computers would serve little purpose.
i doubt the pc will "die" completely, not until they find a way to extend battery life, but becoming secondary to these other machines does mean the end of the weighted cube's era.
maybe at the end, we can call the object that does everything we want a pc. would that keep the flaming down? xD
it is more appropriate to state "consoles, tabs, and phones are closing the gap, therefore what we consider "PC" will be very different"
with enough power most of these items could meet the computer as far as graphics, and blow it away when comparing potential utility. that seems to be bob's focus.
pcs have a safe period, because you still need a wifi spot to connect these machines without a land line. but if a tablet/phone/console could be used anywhere, carried with you, and do everything a computer did, plus whatever they do, it would be realistic to say that computers would serve little purpose.
i doubt the pc will "die" completely, not until they find a way to extend battery life, but becoming secondary to these other machines does mean the end of the weighted cube's era.
maybe at the end, we can call the object that does everything we want a pc. would that keep the flaming down? xD
Who cares...in 10 years there will be no distinction between the two. PC's are trying to be consoles while consoles are becoming more and more like a PC. I predict what we will all be using in a decade or perhaps a little longer is a small multi-purpose terminal that handles whatever we throw at it, can output to any display, and uses the mind as a control device.
Cybernetic Eyeball gaming is CLEARLY just a fad. My Tablet grants me a clarity and depth of control your clumsy mind impulse driven technoligy simply cannot match. What can cybernetic eyeballs do besides play Farmville and destroy humanity?
Give me a next gen tablet with good multitouch (one of the 3k new slates maybe) and I think you could have much better rts experience without the mouse. This assume the game is designed to be used that way, just trying to use you fingures instead of a mouse might suck.HankMan said:
This video is wrong. there have been only two times I have not agreed with moviebob on his vids - one was his worst person video on gameoverthinker, and the other is this. This takes it a step further from just being ignorant of a genre to just being ignorant on an entire sector of the industry.
First off, PC gaming, while it did not start off with the popularity of consoles, had a very good amount of great games in the 90's. This is a point that, whenever he talks about PC gaming in the past, he seem to kind of gloss over. Pc gaming really got it's identity with great titles like Baldur's Gate, Fallout, Deus Ex, System Shock, Doom, and many others. He seem to mostly focus on Doom and the FPS boom in his videos, leaving me to believe he knows very little about Pc gaming outside of the absolute mainstream.
This kind of explains why one of his main reason for PC gaming "dying" is because the FPS's are moving to the consoles. FPS games are a small part of the PC gaming library. Not including the massive amount of indie games that the console online stores can only dream of, there is still a solid, worthwhile lineup for the PC this year, and there was last year, the year before that, etc. that for post length purposes I'm not listing. If you want to say the PC is dying, the "few games" argument is has and always will be torn apart. Yes, there is a lot of zynga games, and yes, the mmo and rts genres are the most popular, but it is not the only thing on the system. That is like saying how the most popular wii title is wii sports, therefore it is the only title. In terms of exclusive games content alone, there is still reason to invest that money into a good PC (other than the many other tasks you can do with a powerful computer you cannot do with a portable device).
The second part of the video is more interesting. Like all of his vids, he usually come to an interesting point halfway through after informing and building up to it during the first half, although this time, the build up was full of console fanboy propaganda (kind of exaggerating, I realize what big affect consoles have had on the industry). However, it is still flawed.
PC gaming as a platform is superior to consoles. No, I am not saying the games are better, as that is entirely subjective. But the platform itself has more potential than consoles, and consoles ever will. Today's gaming PC's are tommorrows consoles, and that is being generous. For $500 more than a console, you can have what is a generation above current consoles. Better graphics, customizeable controls (including being able to use a multitude of gamepads, a lot of which directly maps buttons to keys which you can easily change around in the options of a Pc game, and many others that sync up with a game immediatly with no configuration needed), hooking it up to a monitor or your television, better, more cohesive online service, choice in online services like steam or xfire, or even not to have one etc.
The one thing consoles do have over Pc gaming, is motion controls, and outside of the Wii, that is not utilized as much on the Ps3 360 brethren. In other words, from a technical standpoint, there will always be people that want this platform.
Many, including from what i can tell moviebob, think like this
My point is, there will always, always be people who want to have that superior experience, who like the Pc style games (which is more than just rts games and mmos), who like the platform of the PC gaming, the huge potential of the system. There will always be devs, even ones that develop games for consoles, that see that they could easily make money on the Pc buy releasing or porting their game over to the PC (see many of the 360 timed exclusives). And these people will buy PC's just for that gaming experience.
Now, yeah, it is more money than consoles. But people who are serious about the hobby and really like the unique set of exclusive games on PC (and that is not including the indie games) will be willing to buy it. they are the minority to be sure (a very big minority of a very big medium), but they still exist, and PC gaming still has an audience that would shell out the money for the Pc experience.
You mention that eventually, the "PC" will no longer exist in many households. I highly doubt this will happen very soon, as the massive power of a PC will only increase with the strength of handhelds, and until both PC's and handhelds plateau, there will always be a point in having a PC. You argue that having a bunch of smaller devices that all accomplish different tasks makes having a Pc pointless, but you are looking at it at the wrong angle - the PC, while being a non portable device, is the everything machine. Texter, cell phone, internet, gaming, movies, Tv shows, work software, office software, servers, etc. It is a very convenient machine. And even if the Pc did go, laptops would still be able to do all of these features for it. Sure, you cannot bring your PC on the go, but when you are at home and you want to do a variety of tasks, it is far more convenient to be able to do them all on one machine.
So, through all of this, Pc gaming is going nowhere. In fact, according to many online services for Pc gaming, it is only getting bigger.
I think I have ranted enough. This video is, objectively, wrong. And this is coming from a fan of every other video he has made, aside from the worst person video on gameoverthinker.
First off, PC gaming, while it did not start off with the popularity of consoles, had a very good amount of great games in the 90's. This is a point that, whenever he talks about PC gaming in the past, he seem to kind of gloss over. Pc gaming really got it's identity with great titles like Baldur's Gate, Fallout, Deus Ex, System Shock, Doom, and many others. He seem to mostly focus on Doom and the FPS boom in his videos, leaving me to believe he knows very little about Pc gaming outside of the absolute mainstream.
This kind of explains why one of his main reason for PC gaming "dying" is because the FPS's are moving to the consoles. FPS games are a small part of the PC gaming library. Not including the massive amount of indie games that the console online stores can only dream of, there is still a solid, worthwhile lineup for the PC this year, and there was last year, the year before that, etc. that for post length purposes I'm not listing. If you want to say the PC is dying, the "few games" argument is has and always will be torn apart. Yes, there is a lot of zynga games, and yes, the mmo and rts genres are the most popular, but it is not the only thing on the system. That is like saying how the most popular wii title is wii sports, therefore it is the only title. In terms of exclusive games content alone, there is still reason to invest that money into a good PC (other than the many other tasks you can do with a powerful computer you cannot do with a portable device).
The second part of the video is more interesting. Like all of his vids, he usually come to an interesting point halfway through after informing and building up to it during the first half, although this time, the build up was full of console fanboy propaganda (kind of exaggerating, I realize what big affect consoles have had on the industry). However, it is still flawed.
PC gaming as a platform is superior to consoles. No, I am not saying the games are better, as that is entirely subjective. But the platform itself has more potential than consoles, and consoles ever will. Today's gaming PC's are tommorrows consoles, and that is being generous. For $500 more than a console, you can have what is a generation above current consoles. Better graphics, customizeable controls (including being able to use a multitude of gamepads, a lot of which directly maps buttons to keys which you can easily change around in the options of a Pc game, and many others that sync up with a game immediatly with no configuration needed), hooking it up to a monitor or your television, better, more cohesive online service, choice in online services like steam or xfire, or even not to have one etc.
The one thing consoles do have over Pc gaming, is motion controls, and outside of the Wii, that is not utilized as much on the Ps3 360 brethren. In other words, from a technical standpoint, there will always be people that want this platform.
Many, including from what i can tell moviebob, think like this
When this is absolutely not true. There is still a lot more we can do with improving tech in games. It is not just about the graphics effects or, something that does directly affect gameplay, the smooth look and feel of the game, it is also the scale of the games as well. Games can get bigger, have more detail in gameplay and design elements. We will always being improving, and if we ever do reach a plateau, it will not be for a while, and it will happen on the more powerful PC's first.bestow said:
My point is, there will always, always be people who want to have that superior experience, who like the Pc style games (which is more than just rts games and mmos), who like the platform of the PC gaming, the huge potential of the system. There will always be devs, even ones that develop games for consoles, that see that they could easily make money on the Pc buy releasing or porting their game over to the PC (see many of the 360 timed exclusives). And these people will buy PC's just for that gaming experience.
Now, yeah, it is more money than consoles. But people who are serious about the hobby and really like the unique set of exclusive games on PC (and that is not including the indie games) will be willing to buy it. they are the minority to be sure (a very big minority of a very big medium), but they still exist, and PC gaming still has an audience that would shell out the money for the Pc experience.
You mention that eventually, the "PC" will no longer exist in many households. I highly doubt this will happen very soon, as the massive power of a PC will only increase with the strength of handhelds, and until both PC's and handhelds plateau, there will always be a point in having a PC. You argue that having a bunch of smaller devices that all accomplish different tasks makes having a Pc pointless, but you are looking at it at the wrong angle - the PC, while being a non portable device, is the everything machine. Texter, cell phone, internet, gaming, movies, Tv shows, work software, office software, servers, etc. It is a very convenient machine. And even if the Pc did go, laptops would still be able to do all of these features for it. Sure, you cannot bring your PC on the go, but when you are at home and you want to do a variety of tasks, it is far more convenient to be able to do them all on one machine.
So, through all of this, Pc gaming is going nowhere. In fact, according to many online services for Pc gaming, it is only getting bigger.
I think I have ranted enough. This video is, objectively, wrong. And this is coming from a fan of every other video he has made, aside from the worst person video on gameoverthinker.
And here I go throwing another comment of disagreement on to the mountain of it that already exists. PC gaming won't be "dead" imo until keyboard and mouse is allowed to be used with "console" games. I believe whole-heartedly that both first and third person shooters control best with a mouse and keyboard. Motion controls as they are now don't come even close and traditional controllers are a joke for those types of games. My sister who is a complete gaming noob can play Left 4 Dead on the PC without staring at walls and actually shoots things rather consistently (in contrast to me, a self-defined gamer who will often be staring at the walls for whole matches in Halo). This is due to the easy to learn nature of the keyboards/mouse system which ties in a little with the huge learning curve you discussed with Yahtzee and James in a recent extra consideration. The FPS on the PC is a gateway to other gaming (just like other games with simpler/intuitive controls are; I know PC FPS don't corner the market on that). I'm relatively new to gaming (my first system was a PS1 which I bought as the PS2 was nearing its end) and still my main gaming system is my shinny gaming PC. Consoles are reaching the point where they are nearly PCs but until they are and allow me to play games with that intuitive keyboard/mouse system, PC gaming will not be dead.
He did not just talk about PC gaming "currently", and then compare to Kinect and Wii. Holy crap, they are so far off the mark in terms of character movement. Sure you can aim a bit more like pointing a gun or finger at someone, but c'mon. YES, there is room for them to improve, but you are talking about the "current" trend, and I do not see any fancy pointing remote becoming a replacement for keyboard and mouse, "just yet".
Although I am eagerly waiting the day....
Although I am eagerly waiting the day....
I don't often use a controller for FPSs; I'm not sure anyone would. I did however for GTA and Mafia. I really wish that Mass Effect 2 was controller enabled, as that's another one I would've used it for. It's all up to personal preference.JonnWood said:
Heh, bob thats one shakey limb your out there.
Thing is it's the other way around, PC gaming isn't dead. Consoles are dead. Like fish that crawled on land for the first time Consoles are evolving into PC's. they are doing more then just games. the mere fact that you CAN plug keyboards and mouses into consoles these days is that console manufactures HAVE computers themselves. Gaming doesn't get any better then PC gaming, the verity is endless, and from soup to nuts if you LIKE to play games a certain way...well, you got it baby. Company's like alienware and other design company's are making it easier for even the less technically inclined to not only have the best hardware in the world but come with the features THEY feel comfortable gaming in.
whats the difference between a PS3 and and alienware MX11? not much, technology is enabling consoles to sing and dance at the same time. you even have people HACKING their consoles to free them from a companys clutches, put on their own operating system and do what they please.
Console gaming is great, it brought gaming to the masses, but as it evolves, it is bringing people to do more. when we can do what we choose then it becomes a...personal device...a personal computer.
There is a reason why there are allot of Xbox360 games on the PC, Bob. Its because microsoft built a console that IS a PC. porting them is cost effective and makes sense.
The personal computer might change shape, it may get smaller or bigger, it might even be a holodeck in your basement. but if its a computer for your personal use and not just a 'device' to perform a function...your PC gaming and your loving every moment of it.
So when your cell phone sounds like Hal and types your book report is your Cell phone a cell phone anymore? or is it a computer with skype loaded onto it?
if you went back to 1986 and asked what OS his NES was running, he wouldn't have any idea what your talking about, but if you ask someone with an IPAD playing infinity blade, I bet they know...slowly but surely...WE are not disappearing, you are becoming us as you unlock your car from your Iphone. HAHAHAHAHAHA!!!
Thing is it's the other way around, PC gaming isn't dead. Consoles are dead. Like fish that crawled on land for the first time Consoles are evolving into PC's. they are doing more then just games. the mere fact that you CAN plug keyboards and mouses into consoles these days is that console manufactures HAVE computers themselves. Gaming doesn't get any better then PC gaming, the verity is endless, and from soup to nuts if you LIKE to play games a certain way...well, you got it baby. Company's like alienware and other design company's are making it easier for even the less technically inclined to not only have the best hardware in the world but come with the features THEY feel comfortable gaming in.
whats the difference between a PS3 and and alienware MX11? not much, technology is enabling consoles to sing and dance at the same time. you even have people HACKING their consoles to free them from a companys clutches, put on their own operating system and do what they please.
Console gaming is great, it brought gaming to the masses, but as it evolves, it is bringing people to do more. when we can do what we choose then it becomes a...personal device...a personal computer.
There is a reason why there are allot of Xbox360 games on the PC, Bob. Its because microsoft built a console that IS a PC. porting them is cost effective and makes sense.
The personal computer might change shape, it may get smaller or bigger, it might even be a holodeck in your basement. but if its a computer for your personal use and not just a 'device' to perform a function...your PC gaming and your loving every moment of it.
So when your cell phone sounds like Hal and types your book report is your Cell phone a cell phone anymore? or is it a computer with skype loaded onto it?
if you went back to 1986 and asked what OS his NES was running, he wouldn't have any idea what your talking about, but if you ask someone with an IPAD playing infinity blade, I bet they know...slowly but surely...WE are not disappearing, you are becoming us as you unlock your car from your Iphone. HAHAHAHAHAHA!!!
