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Generally agree with Bob on this, though my geeky obsessiveness is slightly perturbed with the casting. Apparently he's awesome, so I'll get over it. (So, apparently my opinion is that you can change the race of a character and all as long as it's awesome. Good to know.)
Less MLP:FIM obsessiveness than I thought in the thread, and not nearly enough love for Samurai Pizza Cats. +1 to seeing that made, Bob.
Less MLP:FIM obsessiveness than I thought in the thread, and not nearly enough love for Samurai Pizza Cats. +1 to seeing that made, Bob.
I just stopped watching your show forever movie bob. I didn't even make it through the whole show. And here's why: You said that a current racist trend is perfectly acceptable because racism in the past was in the reverse direction. Think about that for a second. If this idea holds true, then in another couple of hundred years, we will have to accept white persecution of minorities again, because that's just what the clock says or because they've got it coming. Can you understand how much of a logical fallacy this is? Or how this will simply lead to an endless cycle of racism and prejudice? These kinds of arguments are wrong, morally, and logically. Stop the racism. Just stop. I can't even form the rest of my argument in a coherent manner, because the roaring sound of rage in my skull is load enough to drown out my own death-howl. Maybe I will edit this in a couple of hours when my heart rate slows down below 1,000 b/s.MovieBob said:
The first guy is absolutely right. that is exactly what Bob said. Actually, it's not what he said, it's the only logical conclusion that can be drawn about his opinions based on what he said, which is effectively the same thing.Battenbergcake said:Pugiron said:
No, in Bob's opinion they were looking to widen the net of their audience by giving a none to central but fairly crucial role to a minority actor with great skill.
That and the white man hasn't done himself too many favours in recent times what with all the slavery stuff we europeans started. Besides better a good actor of a minority get the part than a crap actor who just looks the part but makes important role in the narrative's proceeding a lesser performance.
How ironic that every other white girl in hollywood has a katana and must know longfist, but as soon as a black guy once to play a part in a comic movie its a shitstorm.
ps - I'm still upset over what happen in the Avatar movie. I'll get over it.
ps - I'm still upset over what happen in the Avatar movie. I'll get over it.
Oh yes, of course! But we can no longer say Equestria is the perfect world.Not G. Ivingname said:Then their OVERCOMING of said racism by the end of the episode. Remember, Twilight went to have Tea with Zecora but was turned to stone.Namewithheld said:I am amused that MLP:FIM is referenced as the perfect world without racism.
Zecora, anyone? There was only a whole episode about how all the Ponies were racist against her for being a zebra.
It's just further along than Earth.
It's ridiculous to conclude that it's better for a black guy to rob a white guy than the other way around. White guys have so much more experience at robbing black guys.spartan231490 said:The first guy is absolutely right. that is exactly what Bob said. Actually, it's not what he said, it's the only logical conclusion that can be drawn about his opinions based on what he said, which is effectively the same thing.Battenbergcake said:Pugiron said:
No, in Bob's opinion they were looking to widen the net of their audience by giving a none to central but fairly crucial role to a minority actor with great skill.
That and the white man hasn't done himself too many favours in recent times what with all the slavery stuff we europeans started. Besides better a good actor of a minority get the part than a crap actor who just looks the part but makes important role in the narrative's proceeding a lesser performance.
Haven't you seen Hancock yet?Ampersand said:Does anyone else think that black superman is a great idea? Cause I sure as hell do
OT, I think it would be difficult to disagree with MovieBob on the whole racism is bad thing. I did how ever take slight issue with "European Colonialism" getting a mention and the good old USA being missed out. Given the almost complete genocide of the Native Americans and the continued use of slaves long after Europe abolished it. How ever this is besides the point. I think a black Friar Tuck is a bit odd because it doesn't really fit with the period.
All the way through though I was thinking of a certain Star Trek DS9 episode that I'm sure any other DS9 fans will have remembered
The slave card takes your otherwise fantastic argument and weighs it down considerably. A double standard of the past is irrelevant. The continued impacts of slavery (though considerably more notable down in the States) are relevant but slavery itself is not. No one here has ever owned a slave, nor has their father or their grandfather; they may have racist parents or grandparents but never slave owning so there is no guilt to be had. The slave card makes your argument sound more petty and puerile, which is too bad for the most part it is an extremely sound argument.
OK, now to the other part of your argument Bob. Yah, you're absolutely right there are very few good roles for good minority actors so what's wrong with changing the race of a well developed character (assuming the race change would not interfere with the character, though the situations in which changing the character's race would interfere are hard to come by)? I personally thought that the complaints were more bound up in Comic Book fans being ultra-detail oriented and ignored them because I personally have no interest in Comic Books or their fandom.
OK, now to the other part of your argument Bob. Yah, you're absolutely right there are very few good roles for good minority actors so what's wrong with changing the race of a well developed character (assuming the race change would not interfere with the character, though the situations in which changing the character's race would interfere are hard to come by)? I personally thought that the complaints were more bound up in Comic Book fans being ultra-detail oriented and ignored them because I personally have no interest in Comic Books or their fandom.
Huh, sounds like actor affirmative action. I don' know if that's what needs discussing though. This sounds more like color blindness rather than reverse color preference which is essentially what affirmative action is. Did they have a preference for the guy because he was black or did they just not care either way? There is a subtle but important distinction to be made there (if it can be made at all, racial things like this are deeply embedded after-all).
I was born after slavery, Jim Crow, etc and I reject the idea that I owe some sort of historical debt.
I agree with what you said in the video Bob. When I first heard about this I didn't give it a second thought. In my option if the actor is good enough to play the role it doesn't matter what race they come from. From what I hear Idris Elba does a good job as Heimdall and I think I might see this movie to see this guy performance.
Complaining about him being black is stupid, just like complaining about it in Prince of Persia was stupid.
Anyway, I don't really feel like you can justice everything with what the slavers did 200 years ago. Racism is a problem to be dealt with, but no man alive today had anything to do with the slavery and no man today is, directly, suffering from it. In directly to be sure, but not directly.
Anyway, I don't really feel like you can justice everything with what the slavers did 200 years ago. Racism is a problem to be dealt with, but no man alive today had anything to do with the slavery and no man today is, directly, suffering from it. In directly to be sure, but not directly.
Ok. I get your point Bob, but I disagree. As long as you think in terms of race you`re part of the problem. Double standards are bad no matter who is beneficial. We are all people and we should all be racialy colorblind.
And the thing with Heimdal? Honestly, it doesn`t bother me, though i think it`s realy dumb.(Imagine casting Jackie Chan as Jesus Christ kind of dumb
(sorry for any grammar mistakes, english is my second language)
And the thing with Heimdal? Honestly, it doesn`t bother me, though i think it`s realy dumb.(Imagine casting Jackie Chan as Jesus Christ kind of dumb
(sorry for any grammar mistakes, english is my second language)
Bob, for someone who rails against Hollywood History in his other videos, you really should watch yourself here. White people aren't the only racists in the world. Racism isn't, nor has it ever been, a "white" problem. It's a Human problem. It's part of evolutionary history that we need struggle against, it made sense when dispersant tribes were fighting over resources, after all the only real goal humans had was to survive and pass along their genetic material, and thus not helping those that weren't part of your "tribe" or outright killing them off (see homo sapiens vs homo neanderthalensis) was seen as a good thing, and that instinct of distrusting the "other" is unfortunately still there.
There are places in Africa were "black" people treat "black" people of other tribal backgrounds far worse then anything the "whites" did during the colonial age; just look at how the Japanese still view their ethnic Koreans citizens today.
No, it's not a "white" problem that needs correcting, and using a double standard to fix a double standard isn't the answer. It has been proven that positive discrimination doesn't work as a means to fix those things, all it does is breed resentment. Rather then "fix" characters, they need to create characters that are better balanced and mixed.
Oh and the first person to call me racist is getting a kick up the ass.
There are places in Africa were "black" people treat "black" people of other tribal backgrounds far worse then anything the "whites" did during the colonial age; just look at how the Japanese still view their ethnic Koreans citizens today.
No, it's not a "white" problem that needs correcting, and using a double standard to fix a double standard isn't the answer. It has been proven that positive discrimination doesn't work as a means to fix those things, all it does is breed resentment. Rather then "fix" characters, they need to create characters that are better balanced and mixed.
Oh and the first person to call me racist is getting a kick up the ass.
Foo don't even get started on "who's committed the worst atrocities", there have been pros and cons to the vast majority of bad historical events. The one exception I can think of, and please feel free to correct me here, is the systematic robbing and near complete genocide of the Native Americans.i64ever said: