The BNP are misunderstood...

[FROGGEman2]

The BNP are like the Green party; full of shit ideas that they have been wittering on for so long about no one cares anymore.

Just like the Greens enviroment, the BNP focus's on only immigration, and even then their arguements are shoddy at best, downright disgusting at worst.

The large majority of immigrants become labourers, doctors, and other vital jobs. Its only the minority that have 15 children, never work and don't even try to intergrate.

This minority is what the BNP thinks all immigrants are like. Its ignorance, pure and simple; question them about any other issues and they sag like a punctured hot-air balloon.

Be... Bwuh... Bleh... As in, the Australian Greens?

If so,

screw you!

I mean, c'm'on man, that's not cool!

 

[O277]

no they're evil racists

Amen to that

 

[Treblaine]

Note to OP.

change title of thread to: "BNP misunderstood by its supporters"

And I would agree with you, though I think it is less down to misunderstanding and more down to pig-headed ignorance as the supporters refuse to consider the BNP's Nazi links and underlying ideology. I partially blame how for a long time accusations of Nazism and Fascism are thrown around as a common insult, now when people genuinely describe them as Fascistic a certain percentage of the population dismiss it as mere petty insults.

Makes me wonder how many Germans voted for the Nazi party thinking they just wanted to make the trains run on time. Well, it wasn't long before the very democracy that put Hitler in power was taken away. I have no doubt the BNP would try the same thing... if they get the chance.

 

[oppp7]

Wow, that sounds even worse than the GOP (before you flame me, I'm talking from the view of a left-wing person, not my own personal views).

 

[obliterate]

There are idiots everywhere I am sorry to divulge. Reading comments in newspapers and seeing the results of polls in this country especially, disturbs me a lot. Especially considering that people say we are becoming a 'police' and 'nanny' state yet people still keep trying to blame the government for the way kids behave (crime/gangs) and how people spend their money (lending/the cause of the recession) it's almost like people want the government to be in control.

My point is that I wouldn't worry too much, out of the 60 million or so people in Great Britain, the amount who support the BNP are most definitely the minority.

Well yeah but if we blame them for being idiots we'll all be SPAMing "Guilty as charged"

 

[mayney93]

in the British parliament there is only 1 member of the BNP and they are a very poorly supported , the only people that support them are stupid retards that claim dole and sit on their arses all of the time complaining how they heven't got a job when they cba to get off their arses and go get one

 

[Agema]

The BNP have no members in the UK parliament.

They got 6.4% of the vote on a low turnout (about 40% or below), and benefitting from the traditional protest vote against the big parties in local and European elections. Realistically, they are probably only supported by about 2-3% of the country.

Guess the BNP wouldn't have to worry about immigration anymore - no-one including the British themselves would want to live in Britain any more.

I agree with you here, Agema. Aren't they in favour of conscription because they think it will reduce crime rates?

Yes, they probably do believe nonsense like chucking young adults into military boot camps instills discipline and makes them less criminal.

However, mostly I think it's a cover for that fact that ultimately the leadership are fascists, and those sort love militiarism. They've got grubby little wank-fantasies about being the paternalistic leaders who sit in plush comfort and reap vicarious glory for sending men out to fight and die for the fatherland.

 

[SmartIdiot]

I'm just amazed that they're still around. Surely by now they must realise what a parody of themselves they are becoming. The fact that some people even take this kind of bullshit seriously also amazes and amuses me. How can people be so dense? There will never be enough supporters to bring them into leadership. Must be terrible to know you're wasting your life, they'll probably end up going the way of C18 eventually.

 

[Ben Legend]

Very important point tho - This is politics, If you dont like them, Dont vote for them.

Imagine the Parties are Dishes on a menu. You know that The fish (bmp) will give you food poisoning, you dont order it. end of?

Basically, this guy makes a point. BNP are a party and free to promote themselves. But as long as they don't get voted into power they are just a voice and have little power what so ever. At the end of the day, I assume most people are smart enough to not vote for this political party any time soon.

 

[Phoenix Arrow]

no they're evil racists

You didn't read his post did you? What am I saying, of course you didn't. He said that he thinks the party is misunderstood by its supporters which is a fair point.

 

[Takoto]

Anyone: Care to tell me what
A: "BNP" stands for, and
B: What the BNP stand for? I'm sure it's more than just white supremacy...

British National Party.
I have no idea what they stand for, because the only time they're ever mentioned is usually in a discussion about racism or white supremacy or something along those lines.

 

[You_have_a_name]

no they're evil racists

You didn't read his post did you? What am I saying, of course you didn't. He said that he thinks the party is misunderstood by its supporters which is a fair point.

i did read his post and he asked my opinion on them so i gave it

 

[Terramax]

Thank you Magelord and koichan for your posts. They were very informative.

As an Englishman, frankly, I couldn't care less about the BNP or the future state of England. Even if the BNP did get any headway in the future, I'll be long gone out of this decrepit, senseless country (the plan so far is to get to Norway and marry Marit Larsen. Wish me luck!).

The BNP seem to be a bunch of fuck-wagons from what I've read about them. But since I don't live there my opinion doesn't count.

That's not true. Only a BNP member would think like that.

Finally, they plan to install their 'Compulsive Community Award Scheme, which has school leavers undertaking military training (this is also known as Conscription)

See, I don't have a problem with mandatory national service. Take, for example, the Israeli Defence Forces. As far as I'm aware, any non-Arab Israeli citizen is required to serve up to three years in the military forces. And from what I understand, not only are their forces of a high quality, but it also affects the citizens in a positive way.

However, it's also likely I'm wrong and am talking out of my arse.

No, not at all. Fascism is all the rage these days.

Seriously, as if there aren't enough immature children in the British military they want to send them ALL there? And before anyone says the military makes men out of boys, that's a lie. If my 3 soldier friends (1 marine, 1 air-force, 1 army) and ex-mil work colleagues have anything to say the military gives them an excuse to act like school kids again. Remember that news story about the solders being forced to get in their underwear and fight in the mud? That's just the tip of the iceberg.

Well to an extent they have a point

Imagine...would you want to be outnumbered 4:1 by immigrants or would you like YOUR country to be YOURS or just an place for immigrants to group in.

Speaking as a British citizen, I do NOT own England. England belongs to NO-ONE.

What is this crap about a country belonging to anyone who was just born there? When you're born, God doesn't come down and give you a signed contract stating you own a piece of land.

The world owes you nothing. Your country is not yours. It's not mine. It's not anyone's unless they've earned a piece of it.

I know a Zimbabwean (not sure if thats how you spell it) migrant but all the time he complains about Australia and how things are better back in Zimbabwe (zuh!) When asked why he came over here he said "because I thought that Australia should better learn Zimbabwean culture"...
Now that's not a bad thing but he constantly forces it down our throats, for instance when we say "What the fuck" or "That's fucking brilliant" etc he always says that "Why do you always say that, in Zimbabwe we never say stuff like so you shouldn't either" So we just glare at him and say "It's Australia not Zimbabwe so get over it"

it's obvious Australia is annoyed at the amount of immigrants in certain area's (In certain area's of town my friends and I play "Spot the Aussie")

I can see why you?d dislike this Zimbabwean but that's just one guy. I know idiot immigrants in the UK but I know twice as many idiot Brits also.

Secondly, can you not spot the irony that many Aussies are supposed to be descendents of convicts emigrated from Britain? Technically you've no more of a right to be there than anyone else.

I know you're not in agreement with the BNP, and you're just trying to be open-minded about the situation (as opposed to many here who simply write things like "they're nazi scum" without any elaboration) but as an anti-nationalist who believes I?ve the right to go where-ever I like in the world, whenever, I obviously cannot possibly oppose the idea of anyone doing the same.

 

[Sovvolf]

As I'm not British, I will simply state that "I have only ever heard bad things about them, but I have never looked into it so I wouldn't really know."

I'm willing to put money on this being a very common sentiment here on the Escapist.

Being that your not British... then don't come to our country then you Immigrant fuck... is probably your opinion on you... wait are you of any other colour then white... they don't seem to have a problem with White Immigrants...

Wait, what? Oh and I am white. Yay me I suppose, less British people (who I have never met and likely would hate)hate me!

Whoops sorry, I meant to say there, was daft o'clock in the morning and was rushing to get to college so didn't read it through, didn't do it to cause offence to you.

 

[Nickolai77]

Seriously, as if there aren't enough immature children in the British military they want to send them ALL there? And before anyone says the military makes men out of boys, that's a lie. If my 3 soldier friends (1 marine, 1 air-force, 1 army) and ex-mil work colleagues have anything to say the military gives them an excuse to act like school kids again. Remember that news story about the solders being forced to get in their underwear and fight in the mud? That's just the tip of the iceberg.

Or this...

"Why do you always say that, in Zimbabwe we never say stuff like so you shouldn't either" So we just glare at him and say "It's Australia not Zimbabwe so get over it"

The expression "When in Rome, do as the Romans do" comes to mind- immigrants should learn and adopt local custom, to a reasonable degree. I am not a fan of multi-culturalism, i am more a fan of integration. The latter is much less of a problem and causes less civil strife which parties like the BNP profit from.

 

[Woodsey]

No, I'm not a sympathiser (at all, they're scum) but I've seen a worrying trend in the supporters of these people.

I haven't search barred on this 1) because I couldn't be arsed and 2) because I have comments from an article that I'd like to discuss.

So here it is, if people would read it: http://uk.news.yahoo.com/blog/talking_politics/article/62375/3/#top-comments-nav

The article is clearly biased against the BNP but that's not my problem. My problem is the comments at the bottom of the page, and what seems to be a worrying amount of support for them.

There are a number of comments that seem to think the BNP will just stop immigration. From the impressions I have been given from interviews and articles with/about them (I'm not sure if it's actually stated in their policies), they also want to export immigrants living here.

Then there's the bloody ridiculous thing about membership of the party being exclusively English and Caucasian (because of course only white people can be truly English) which I can seriously see leading to any other races who were born in England being discriminated against and locked up for no reason - basically early-mid 20th Century America but involving more than just black and white people.

And yet people SUPPORT this group? The comments made on that article seem to be pretty naive when they say things like: "he [Griffin] is only doing and saying what most people are afraid to do and that is to kerb all the immigration this country has put up with for far to long."

Most people? This person actually believes most people think like the BNP? And that all the BNP would do should they get in to power would be to 'kerb' immigration.

I find it hard to believe how people fail to see how immigration is being used as a cover for sheer racism against all non-English Caucasians.

I'm interested to see other people's opinions on them, and perhaps have my faith in the country restored a little.

Does no-one else see the irony that America has actually elected a black president and yet in this country people are willing to support a purely racist party who will only tolerate white people?

Well I haven't looked up much on the BNP, but supposedly the BNP is not a whites-only group but perhaps a better assessment would be an English only group, not in a sense that pertains to race (as apparently their are minorities in the group), but rather in a sense that the party looks out for the concerns and conditions of the UK first, everyone else second. Having said that, I really don't know much about this group, but I for one completely distrust such a blatantly biased article that does not support it's statements with any facts other than previous political allegations by the parent news company of the reporter. Plus, as one British citizen pointed out, they may be racist but they actually have to balls do say what they believe in and not pussy foot around. Just like American politics, ultimately what the British politicians say for the public, and then do in their jobs, are completely different and only serve certain special interests groups that pay political appointees lots of money. These people have the guts to go beyond that and do what they truly believe will help the UK. This may be just what the UK needs to cure much of it's political ambiguity; if not by because of it's policies than because, perhaps, the party will spark a "political enlightenment" where less corrupt politicians get voted into office and a more stable government is formed.

They're a White-British only group. So yes, whites only.

Sorry, haven't had time to read the rest, I'll have a chance to reply later.

 

[Tempest Fennac]

Yes, they probably do believe nonsense like chucking young adults into military boot camps instills discipline and makes them less criminal.

However, mostly I think it's a cover for that fact that ultimately the leadership are fascists, and those sort love militiarism. They've got grubby little wank-fantasies about being the paternalistic leaders who sit in plush comfort and reap vicarious glory for sending men out to fight and die for the fatherland.

I was thinking the same thing (I tend to see conscription as being a waste of money and time, and I hate the idea of making people do that sort of thing against their will so I'm completely opposed to it).

 

[FolkLikePanda]

Wasn't saying it like UKIP believe the same things as BNP (they do in some places but not in the extreme ones), I meant that in Romania there was a rapist released from prison and he came over here no questions asked because of Romania being in the EU.

He had served his time in prison so why wouldn't he be allowed to move freely within the EU?

Because he's a rapist, who's to say he won't rape again, it's like a paedophile, a paedophile can live right next door to someone with a kid, he's still a paedo though. Personally I think people should be hung if they rape, call me barbaric, but they've ruined that victims life, that woman or man has to live the rest of their life in slight shock and fear because they were sexually assaulted. He shouldn't be allowed to go to where he wants, he's and evil, dirty bastard.

I'm not sure what the re-offence of rapists is but it's not our place to judge a person based on his past actions. If he's paid his debt to society then he should be as free as you or me.

OK, then say as you got raped, by a man or woman, you'd feel bad and scared. Would you want them to leave prison? Would you forgive them? I certaintly wouldn't I'd want the bastard or ***** to pay for what they've done, a 20 year sentence is too easy for the convict in my opinion, life sentence or death sentence is better, ruin or take their life.

 

[Pubis Mcfly]

I agree with the BNP on our over-relaxed immigration policies, SURE. there is an acceptable amount but the UK is practically full... approaching so many millions unemployed etc.

I just don't think the UK can take in anymore people race/color/creed regardless.

thats pretty much spot on, only in this day and age you probably cant even say this :S

 

[FolkLikePanda]

On the subject of racism and other ethics being in a different country, I rmemeber hearing a Sri Lankan chap, who would not serve anyone who couldn't speak English, saying he couldn't understand them, even though the language most of his customers spoke were that of his own, fair play to him, those are the kind of immigrants Britain should have, those that understand our customs and mannerisms.