The BNP are misunderstood...

[Sovvolf]

? to secure a future for the true children of our islands."

So, essentially, they're still trying to find a way to discriminate against those who are not "true British (feh!)"

Funny how they say that isn't it, true children of our islands?, who are "the true children of our island"??, The Scottish are probably the closet to " the true children of our island", our entire country is built on immigration, the people of Briton are the result of centuries of immigration and invasion, were a product of France, Italian, Norwegian, Prusians... and many, many more. So what actually defines the "true meaning" of "the children of our islands?".

 

[DannyBoy451]

People need to understand that the BNP itself is merely a Nationalist political party (hence the name) and becasue of the right-wing nature of Nationalism it attracts or the other people from that political landscape to come join it (especially as it is the only properly rightwing politcal party in Britain).

Look at the SNP (Scottish National Party) they have a Nationalist agenda but as it has clearly defined aims of independence and, as far as I can tell, the rest of it's policies are just conservative rather than right wing, it is nit such a breeding ground for the dangerously far right.

The SNP are more centerist, to centre-left.

It's also important to understand that Scottish Nationalism does not share the same political roots as other Nationalist governments, which identify nationality based on race.

 

[Stephanos132]

Being somewhat new here, I don't think I'll know all of the etiquette required of me here, but I'll have a stab at presenting my opinions (and whatever limited knowledge I might have) on the BNP.

It's well established now what they stand for (white Britain, as if a 97% racial majority isn't enough) and I don't support them at all, their policies and arguments hold little water for me. However, it's been observed repeatedly that in times of hardship, people lean more towards radical ideals and actions (the rise of the Nazis, Soviet Russia and perhaps even Napoleons France are examples of this). As we are witnessing recession (and in Britain it stands to be worse than others, Germany for example), combined with the free publicity the established parties and the media so willingly give them, along with a growing culture of fear and simmering discontentment with the governing body will help push their agenda somewhat.

They say what they think people will want to hear (as they should if they want to succeed), and there is genuine concern over immigration, the EU and so on. With a population now over 61 million (which the Daily Mail so blithely attributed to immigrants), it is perceived that we, as an island nation, cannot sustain much more (without imports, I sincerely doubt we could sustain much more than half of that, although I am uncertain of true numbers).

A lot of people (myself included) see the EU as an interfering, over-regulating entity that spares little thought for the average citizen and seems to do more harm than good (though I do admit, with a weakening pound and a very limited economy, integration may well be inevitable).

The other side of the coin, as has been said before, is the other parties, namely Labour, Conservatives et al. The UAF, seemingly ignorant of the fact that it combats fascism with, well, fascist techniques (suppressing freedom of speech and movement), draws unnecesary attention to the BNP. Just ignoring them, whilst not treating the populace as idiots, will weaken the BNP and thus reduce the threat they pose. This, and that the big 2 seem hell bent on bringing this nation to its knees and willfully ignore the aggrieved voices they're supposed to govern. Such tactics only fuel the fires and so the fringe parties grow stronger.

And that leaves me in a pickle really. I'd never vote Labour or BNP and whilst I have more conservative leanings, I wouldn't trust the Tories as far as I could throw them. Lib Dems are also rather uselss. I believe this is a situation I'm not alone in either.

Tl;dr? Ok, BNP become prominent because of hardship, ignorance, displeasure with the current government and because they seem to listen. That's what I think at least anyway.

Incidentally, I'm not buying a complete comparison with the Nazis. Granted, the racial view is the same, but the Nazi's had some pretty sound economic fixing that helped Germany pull through the Depression and a heavy war debt from the previous conflict. I doubt the BNP, in its current form, have such a card to play.

 

[DannyBoy451]

I gotta say, the wikipedia article about the BNP isn't very flattering.

Obviously showing that Wikipedia is controlled by the Jews.

 

[LockHeart]

And that leaves me in a pickle really. I'd never vote Labour or BNP and whilst I have more conservative leanings, I wouldn't trust the Tories as far as I could throw them. Lib Dems are also rather uselss. I believe this is a situation I'm not alone in either.

Have a look at the UK Libertarian Party, I'm a big fan. They're a tiny party at the moment, but I think people would be surprised at what they could tap into.

EDIT: Also, welcome to the Escapist! And with such a well thought out, informative post as well. You'll go far on this site my friend.

 

[DannyBoy451]

I gotta say, the wikipedia article about the BNP isn't very flattering.

Obviously showing that Wikipedia is controlled by the Jews.

Woah!

The sad thing is that some people actually believe this.

 

[FinalGamer]

I can't understand it either, but the only thing I can think of is that due to the growing problems concerning the Muslim world encroaching upon the UK in not-so-smooth a fashion, people either truly hate them, are confused to the point of hating them, or are just plain tired of all this shit.

At least that might be one reason for their current support, but at least there are enough people who hate the BNP back, as seen from the egging attack and protests to their leader when he SOMEHOW got a seat in the EU Parliament (which the concept alone is insane and is like sending a Nazi into Israel as a spokesman for Europe).

This is an issue rather close to my heart because I am descended from an immigrant. My grandmother is Greek, she was born in WWII and was taken to the UK by her mother at the age of 10 to escape the horrific pollution and poverty of Athens in the 50s as well as the fact my great grandmother stole food from soldiers to keep the neighbours going.

She has lived here for 50 years and speaks with a full Scottish accent, she doesn't even have a Greek accent anymore, she can't even really make one. These people worry me on a personal level, especially considering that nobody, and really, NOBODY in the UK is native. Go back far enough, every Englishman came from Germany. Anglo-Saxons, hello?

 

[SimuLord]

To hear the BNP tell it, foreigners are the cause of every social ill in Britain. Not white chavs, not the education system falling apart, not the wretched economy, not licking George Bush's butt and getting good British boys killed in Iraq, not the country's ban on being able to properly defend oneself from criminals...

No. It's those bloody foreigners! Classic example of fearmongering and it says more about Britain than about the BNP that they have any seats in Parliament at all.

(note that I'm American, so all you good UK blokes can pick apart my argument at will, but I make an effort to understand what's going on beyond my country's borders.)

 

[Stephanos132]

their leader when he SOMEHOW got a seat in the EU Parliament (which the concept alone is insane and is like sending a Nazi into Israel as a spokesman for Europe).

He got that seat due to Labour losing a lot of votes and no-one else making up the deficit sufficiently, as the voting system is more to do with proportionality than actual numbers (less people voted BNP this time around than before, but less people in general voted, so their proportion of the vote was higher). So, apathetic non-voters in the Northwest are your somehow. Yorkshire and the Humber gave the other BNP seat.

 

[MikeOfThunder]

I am a proud Briton.

In 1939 this country and its people fought against the greatest threat this world (In my opinion) has ever known. Fascism, brought with it the face of hatred towards almost all walks of life. Religion and Country became about blood and those that did not have the 'correct' blood were sent to the camps to be worked as slaves or to be murdered in the millions.

...And yet here we are on the crisp of a new century, the old world still lingers. The British National Party are a discrace to this Great nation. They are not British; they hold no british morals.

I, like many, once believed that they were a fair nationalist group... but after some research i was disgusted with the BNP. They are anything but nationalists and to add salt to the wound they discredit Winston Churchill (One of the Finest Prime Ministers to rule of the Island) and support many beliefs that Hitler wrote about in his personal book 'Mein Kampf'.

They are vile; racist and above all else traitors to this country and what it once stood for.

If the BNP were to ever gain power, this country will of lost everything that made it so Great.

 

[MikeOfThunder]

Im not condoning the BNP in anyway, but i need to say this:

Freedom of speech works both ways, if people are allowed to have gay/womens/ethnic/etc rights and have the freedom to express their views, then people should be allowed to speak against it if that is how they feel.

"I may not agree with what you say... however i will defend, to the death, your right to say it."

(eep... double posted!)

 

[FinalGamer]

their leader when he SOMEHOW got a seat in the EU Parliament (which the concept alone is insane and is like sending a Nazi into Israel as a spokesman for Europe).

He got that seat due to Labour losing a lot of votes and no-one else making up the deficit sufficiently, as the voting system is more to do with proportionality than actual numbers (less people voted BNP this time around than before, but less people in general voted, so their proportion of the vote was higher). So, apathetic non-voters in the Northwest are your somehow. Yorkshire and the Humber gave the other BNP seat.

Now I know the reason, now I know who to direct my cries at....but I should rather direct it at the BNP and hope to obliterate any of their chances to gain further power.

....or hope that MI5 knock their legs out from underneath them like they did with The British Way in Spooks.

 

[Stephanos132]

their leader when he SOMEHOW got a seat in the EU Parliament (which the concept alone is insane and is like sending a Nazi into Israel as a spokesman for Europe).

He got that seat due to Labour losing a lot of votes and no-one else making up the deficit sufficiently, as the voting system is more to do with proportionality than actual numbers (less people voted BNP this time around than before, but less people in general voted, so their proportion of the vote was higher). So, apathetic non-voters in the Northwest are your somehow. Yorkshire and the Humber gave the other BNP seat.

Now I know the reason, now I know who to direct my cries at....but I should rather direct it at the BNP and hope to obliterate any of their chances to gain further power.

....or hope that MI5 knock their legs out from underneath them like they did with The British Way in Spooks.

Well, this was for the EU parliament. The general concensus amongst British folk is that the EU is not good for them, so they don't care much for who gets sent to Brussels or Strasbourg, as they feel it won't have any general positive effect on them, if there is an effect at all.

 

[Droa]

I lol'd when they were told by the government they had to legally accept other races and nt just caucasions or they would have not been a party legaly suck on that nazi shits :L

however wot iv come to relise is that the leading cause of support for BNP is complete Ignorance, one of the big curses :/ people are afraid of what they dont understand and act like sheep to those who have a strong will, so they follow these racists shitheads.

there a disgusting bunch of people, We are all ONE race, HUMAN!!! but ovcourse try and explain that to others, tho ironicly its cos of that attitude that human beings are even around, were all animals, basic fact, its hard to overcome thousands of years of instinct, but hopefully were becoming better than that.

what i once found funny was that i knew sum1 who voted BNP, he said that they were better than any other party outhere, who are ust fucking us over, i asked him why he said he wanted Obama as president and wished we in britain(scotland in this case ) could hav our own obama, he said cos obama was amazing etc and all the other stuff repeated so much the look of shock when i told him some stuff about BNP especially the rape quote, felt good to enlighten some1 of there ignorance

 

[the Magelord]

Hi,

to answer Lackthenack's question, the BNP stands for the British Nationalist Party and that they do stand for a little more than white supremacy, not much but a little more.

Firstly, I am certainly not a member of the party, but I try to maintain neutrality and have written an essay on them for an English assessment, so my data is somewhat more up to date than other sources

Now that the disclaimer has been mentioned, I shall briefly mention their plans.

The BNP's main policy is Immigration, and as many others have previously mentioned their intent, I shall not waste your time repeating facts.

Socially, they plan to rid Britain of its social welfare system; reintroduce capital punishment (the death penalty) for crimes where 'guilt is proven beyond doubt' and 'make prisons more austere and make criminals serve their full sentences.' (these quotes were taken from the BNP website)

Economically, they plan to attempt the restriction of foreign imports, penalise companies that outsource work abroad, not to mention ending the £9bn foreign aid budget and the membership fees of the EU

Yet some of the worst changes are done to children with educational policies. These include; the reintroduction of corporal punishment in schools, the reintroduction of daily Christian worship (assumedly Church of England Protestantism). However, most importantly, they plan to rewrite the history timetable, which is currently focussed on the second world war with the aim of teaching children that what the Nazis did was very, very wrong. Finally, they plan to install their 'Compulsive Community Award Scheme, which has school leavers undertaking military training (this is also known as Conscription)

Finally, at the time of my essay, I noted that they proudly displayed the criminal convictions of every MP, including some that sounded ridiculous (e.g Boris Johnson hiring Hitmen). Of course, it is important to note that they did not mention their own legal breaches. However, I have been informed by an associate (whose views are of a moderate right wing perspective) that they have removed this, probably due to breaching the Protection of Information act.

For those who read this, I trust that this has been illuminating, and for those who are not from Britain, I trust that you can understand the reasonable outpouring of distaste for the continuation of what is effectively Moseley's thugs.

 

[koichan]

The BNP are evil buggers for sure, but the current two mainstream parties only have themselves to blame for the resurgence of it.

I didn't think it was ever going to happen, as i thought the UK was just too docile to make too much fuss, but the decades of blatantly being ignored by both main parties is *finally* starting to take it's toll on the general public.

Both main parties fail to see anything wrong with the years of unchecked mass immigration*, unchecked debt explosion**, unchecked house price explosion***, unchecked civil liberties erosion**** and many other serious problems they refuse to even consider looking at, let alone think about changing.

People are also getting quite frustrated about the broken electoral system forcing this party duopoly and so are going into protest-vote mode.

I'd wager most of these BNP votes aren't exactly aimed at the BNP's views, but more the fact they're one of the few parties that even dare to mention these glaring faults in current policy. Given the choice between loony solutions and being totally ignored, i don't find it surprising at all people are veering to the BNP...

* - immigration, fine. unchecked immigration not matched to emigration at all = extremely bad. The population is already very high as it is, we need a 'one in, one out' policy to keep things under control for now at least to stop the infrastructure/utilities imploding from the stress
** - seriously, how obvious it it that you can't keep inflating the debt for eternity?
*** - same as above really, it won't be long long until the young are priced out completely
**** - yay 1984 orwellian society!

 

[Lordkeppington]

Anyone: Care to tell me what
A: "BNP" stands for, and
B: What the BNP stand for? I'm sure it's more than just white supremacy...

British Nationalist Party, AKA British Nazi Party.

I think their horrible fuckwits, that's what, who have no understanding of how the world works and are driven to be as stupid as possible.

i do think the British Nazi party would make alot more sense than Nationalist party. But the way the other political partys are acting, and how there are so many ignorent people here / people to lazy to vote they are starting to climb the polictical ladder. Personaly i think they should be stoped as they are nouthing more than nazi's hideing behind a different flag.

 

[koichan]

i do think the British Nazi party would make alot more sense than Nationalist party. But the way the other political partys are acting, and how there are so many ignorent people here / people to lazy to vote they are starting to climb the polictical ladder. Personaly i think they should be stoped as they are nouthing more than nazi's hideing behind a different flag.

I must say i disagree.

I do not like the BNP at all, but veering into banning certain political views is a seriously dangerous area. It's the whole 'slippery slope' thing: ban BNP, wait a while, ban next most offensive view, repeat until all dissent has been eliminated.

Free speech is free speech, it's an all or nothing affair. either you're for it (no matter what offensive views exist, for you can always counter-argue them) or you're against it. But there is simply no middle ground