The Dark Souls PC version controversy.

[endtherapture]

I buy a PC game expecting PC quality. Not Xbox. Bad excuses are bad excuses.

Then maybe you should have read their interviews where they stated that this was a port, not a pc version with pc features. No, PC Gamers begged for Dark Souls, From told us that they couldn't develop for PC and it would be the same as the XBox version. Don't post petitions saying you don't care and just want to play the game, and then get up in arms after the money is spent.

It's a port not an emulation.

I don't expect the game to tell me to press A and B instead of Left and Right click, that's just INCREDIBLY lazy because it probably could've taken 5 minutes to do.

 

[Vicioussama]

As someone who has played both versions, fuck all of you that think it's a terrible port. Is it great? No. Is it bad? Fuck no. it's running great for me, looks just as good, and plays well.

30 FPS Lock? That's a problem? Please, stfu FPS whores. Most of you don't even realize what would happen if they removed it. The timing for attacks would change and versions would be different between the consoles and PC. That's crap. And guess what other game is locked at 30 FPS no one cares about, Battlefield 3. Stfu ALL OF YOU.

 

[OldNewNewOld]

That's crap. And guess what other game is locked at 30 FPS no one cares about, Battlefield 3. Stfu ALL OF YOU.

Aside from the other bullshit, wat?
BF3 limited to 30 FPS? And how do you explain people playing with over 60 fps? Magic?

 

[Evil Smurf]

my computer never runs games at 60fps so what am I missing?

 

[RhombusHatesYou]

And how do you explain people playing with over 60 fps? Magic?

The inability to tell the difference between the console versions (framelocked) and the PC version (not framelocked).

 

[DazZ.]

guess what other game is locked at 30 FPS no one cares about, Battlefield 3. Stfu ALL OF YOU.

Well you just showed you have no idea what you're talking about.

 

[yuval152]

And how do you explain people playing with over 60 fps? Magic?

The inability to tell the difference between the console versions (framelocked) and the PC version (not framelocked).

You're wrong, you better change it or you will be assaulted by the people with links and caps lock.(personal experience)

I'll just leave this [http://www.100fps.com/how_many_frames_can_humans_see.htm] here [http://boallen.com/fps-compare.html].

 

[Something Amyss]

Lady, the thing you quote me as saying is something that you said, not me.

Please don't lie.

Being entitled to something would at least to some extent imply that it's supposed to be free and I am owed something.

Ah. I see. You don't understand that "entitled" has a broader spectrum than you are claiming and instead are threatening to ignore someone because you don't like what they're saying. Gotcha.

What this is, is seeing a port that is severely sub-standard, like Ubisoft ain't got shit on From in this case, calling it out as such and saying I'm not putting up with it. You know, making a choice as a consumer?

Except people aren't making choices as consumers. they're buying it despite known "flaws" and whining anyway.

By the way, I haven't ever really said they owe us anything, so why the fuck are you coming at me with this entitled business in the first place?

Because I have a grasp of English and the usage of words. You keep cleaving to a substandard definition that "entitlement" implies things like "supposed to be free," and I will instead use the word properly.

Do you view all criticism as being entitled?

Nope, but I appreciate the fact that you actually asked instead of dictated. Second time will be easier, I swear.

Do you think I care about what some other jackoff who isn't even a part of this conversation thinks?

If you didn't care, you shouldn't have brought it up in the first place. You were the one asking about how From would take it. That in itself indicates a broader interest.

Saying "I don't care" after statements that deliberately broadened the conversation and demonstrated interest" is kind of foolhardy, as is asking if I think you care. Obviously you cared enough until it was inconvenient to your argument. Now it's bad. You might as well put me on ignore if this is the kind of argument you're going to offer.

 

[Something Amyss]

Well I luckily own 2 wireless Xbox 360 controllers for which I later bought the wireless reciever so I could use it with my pc too.

I bought a wired controller specifically for my PC, personally. Then again, I'm not screaming that the game is unplayable because it plays at a paltry 30FPS, so I'm not sure either of us count here.

I had a wireless receiver, and it'd be nice to have one again. Quite useful they are.

 

[Vicioussama]

Come now, is the game unplayable? Is the game bad? Is it broken? I've yet to encounter a problem that utterly breaks the gameplay compared to the console versions and many haven't. Most people ***** about the stupidest smallest stuff. And yes, changing the frame rate WOULD changing timings on the attacks. If you have ideas for FROM Software to improve the PC Version or tips for future PC versions of games, do so. But most people just ***** and ***** and ***** and offer no real feedback and are just downright annoying. So many in this thread or around the internet. And then they wonder why people get frustrated with PC Gamers and the "entitled gamer" term used. It's because of people like you that complain about a game that runs perfectly well for the most part. There's always room for improvement, but do so in a constructive and non-offensive way. The reason I'm being offensive with you guys is because, fuck you guys basically. I'm just sick of seeing people ***** about small things that's not a problem. And there are FAR worse PC Ports of games. Either you're not a real gamer and haven't seen them, or you're just forgetful.

The game still is fine. Better with a controller, but they said they've never done PC Games before and it would be better to play it with a controller. Give them some damn understanding. It's not that hard to use a controller and it definitely is a game that feels better with a controller. Some games feel better with a controller. Some are better with a mouse and keyboard. Deal with it.

Btw, fuck the captcha bs to post.

 

[Something Amyss]

me to actually, i had a PS3 and Demon's Souls before i jumped to PC only, that's why i want it, i think it was a case of jealousy due to devs not really caring about the PC much as they used to.

And now that they have it, they don't want it anymore? XD

 

[Lunar Templar]

me to actually, i had a PS3 and Demon's Souls before i jumped to PC only, that's why i want it, i think it was a case of jealousy due to devs not really caring about the PC much as they used to.

And now that they have it, they don't want it anymore? XD

lmao, that seems the case doesn't it XD.

though, not sure I'm going to get it, i mean i WANT IT, but GFWL is still glued to it, :/ and it keeps telling my me account is locked, and i have enough GFWL games i can't play atm

 

[00slash00]

All I've been hearing from PC gamers about Dark souls is constant whining, "Boo hoo, it's 30 fps, it's unplayable!"

Seriously, some people just need to grow up. It's not some god damned conspiracy to sabotage PC gaming, and it sounds crazy if you think it is. It's just 30 fps, console players deal with it all the time, we don't gush tears of blood when something doesn't come in 60 fps.

This pisses me off to no end, I'm an actual Dark Souls fan, and these people balling their eyes out after From Software took the time to actually MAKE a port for them, after thousands of petitions saying "We want the game! We'll play it! WE PROMISE!" has the potential to ruin From Software's reputation and finances for the rest of us.

I seriously hope that, if this continues, the PC wont see another port for a Souls game again, I think all the crying has proven they just plain don't deserve it.

i love the souls game and im happy they got a pc release. i am a pc and console gamer so i can see the pc gamer side of this. pc gamers spend a lot of money on their system (much more so than consoles which just need to be upgraded once every console generation) to make it as powerful as it can be so their games look and perform as good as possible. after spending all that money, pc gamers are very frustrated when games are held back so that they can be on par with console versions (the pc version of skyrim could have looked so much better than it did). also, when you play on a console, you dont usually sit right in front of the tv, for pc gaming your face is usually about a foot or two away from the monitor the whole time, so poor resolution and jagged edges and things like that are much more noticeable.

on the other hand...souls games were never about looking pretty. when dark souls was brand new the graphics were pretty mediocre (still are) but that didnt detract from the game any. while i understand pc gamers being unsatisfied, the outrage is unjustified. the game is perfectly playable as it is and the only thing really stopping their enjoyment, is them.

 

[Fr]anc[is]

And guess what other game is locked at 30 FPS no one cares about, Battlefield 3. Stfu ALL OF YOU.

And with that this thread has devolved into youtube comments. Gratz

 

[Meatspinner]

I think this thread is in need of some good old fashion locking.

Or we could just throw it into the "Religion and Politics " sub forums and forget about it

 

[Headdrivehardscrew]

I thought the controversy was over Games for Windows live? Am I missing something?

These days, folks are so twisted, silly and easily triggered, pretty much everything serves as a justfiable reason to switch to hatin' and trollin'.

The internet is currently a somewhat shitty place, flash fires and bolt lightnings are common.

I tend to just ignore most of it, as life's plain too short and nothing really helps getting rid of the insane amounts of stupid.

I enjoyed Dark Souls on console (still do, actually), and I also enjoy Dark Souls on PC. Some might consider this to be silly, but the communities are different. I am one of those that considers Dark Souls to be awesome, as it offers pretty much everything I am looking for in a game. And yes, I think the userland fix makes Dark Souls better. No hard feelings towards From Software whatsoever. I hope they will be able and willing and capable to keep on delivering awesomeness in D* Souls form, and I sincerely do hope any Kinect shenanigans don't put them in any danger.

 

[gorfias]

I highly doubt it, you need to be a special kind of dumbass to sabotage your own product, I don't care that someone on the PC has better graphics than me I already knew it when I bought the console.(X360 player)

Or as shrekfan246 said:

That may be the most awesome picture I have ever seen! Thank you!

PCs, if you want to play on them and tinker are capable of amazing things. Consoles tend to be inexepensive, awesome for the price and most importantly, convenient! I like both for different reasons.

As for dark souls, I got a neighbor demanding I play it. OK. Thought the first PS3 game only OK. I really should just get back to Skyrim.

 

[TrevHead]

Compatibility / controller issues aside. I wonder how many ppl moaning about the res and the 30FPS lock still manage to have fun playing games on a console or a PC indie game.

 

[Snowblindblitz]

It's just like all those shitty playstation one ports I can download on my playstation network...

They delivered Dark Souls to PC. Take it or leave it. This sounds like nothing more then elitism. If nintendo were to decide to release its SNES games on PC, would you ***** about their FPS/graphics?

If no, then you are a hypocrite.

 

[William Dickbringer]

I'm not getting into the whole Console vs PC debate/thing quite frankly it bores the hole off me.

I'm fully willing to admit that PC's are the 'better' gaming machine when it comes to graphics.

That is not the point.

Some PC users petitioned for a port. They got a port. They were told that it was an exact port and what they were getting was what they were getting.


Should From sortware have a designated team with PC expertise?

I Don't know. Maybe.

However; If you were told what kind of game you were getting ahead of time and that it would not match your exacting standards (and I fully admit that the average PC gamer's standards would be more exacting in the areas for graphics, etc.), then don't buy the game.

Don't ask for it, be warned about it, get it, and then whine about it.

I don't care for the whole console vs PC (since I own both) either but it is clear to me you are missing the point. People petitioned to have them make a game on the PC, and with that comes bare minimum standards. Even the laziest companies that create the same game every year at least has some semblance of these minimum standards.

Also just because they "warned" that they might do a crap job doesn't excuse charging 2x over retail price on a crap job. If they really put such a minimal effort knowingly they should be charging 15 bucks or less (to reflect its quality).

I also never understood the ignorance of the "if you dont like it, dont buy it". We like the game, we are complaining about the crap functionality of the game that is causing problems. No one here is saying Dark Souls isn't a great game, they are saying that the developers are incompetant hacks that can't handle basic PC functionality. People are complaining because they want the best (or PC) experience they deserve for paying almost double the retail price right now (seriously its 21 bucks on amazon right now http://www.amazon.com/Dark-Souls-Playstation-3/dp/B004NRN5EO/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1345922567&sr=8-1&keywords=dark+souls).

Honestly it's not that hard of a concept to grasp.

Oh hey! $21? cool I can out smart those pc folks by buying he- oh wait it's $26 with shipping and the dlc is $15 so about $41 all together which is $1 more than pc version also it isn't out well I could just buy the game right now but....that would mean pc version gets more content than the regular game
O.T. What's that now!?! A modder who knows more about pc coding managed to fix the resolution than the company with console background only!?! STOP THE FUCKING PRESSES! now can this thread die (well at least it's only one thread and not 20 of them(you'd think a company saying what they will get would keep the shit storm from brewing but no)