Can I point out to the OP that he is on the internet? If you want an intellectual conversation, go to a debate class. Now, I have been on many forums in my day and I have only seen 2 where people actually have decent conversation with each other, and they would be here and a forum that I am a mod at.
But with the last of the 90's kids in high school and the newer generation growing up, things are going to change. The IQ of the internet is going to go down, just cause I've seen some of the stuff that they teach kids these days...so, it's in our best interest that we accept these changes...cause they are going to happen regardless of what we want.