The difference of isms.

[Uhura]

So essentially, people who say sexist/racist comments might get upset if we call them sexist/racist...
So we should censor ourselves so that we don't upset people who say sexist/racist comments...
I don't even...

 

[Thaluikhain]

So essentially, people who say sexist/racist comments might get upset if we call them sexist/racist...
So we should censor ourselves so that we don't upset people who say sexist/racist comments...
I don't even...

More or less. It's not like it's a new thing, you see this all the time. People really don't like being called out on their bigotry, but don't seem to want to stop it.

 

[The-Traveling-Bard]

So essentially, people who say sexist/racist comments might get upset if we call them sexist/racist...
So we should censor ourselves so that we don't upset people who say sexist/racist comments...
I don't even...

Please keep in mind this isn't about me.

Are you seriously going to tell me that you're going to call someone a sexist over a sammich joke.

And then call someone sexist if he's beating his wife?

What's the bigger problem, and which one should we be more worried about?
Some 16 year old asshole on the web making sammich jokes.
Or the husband beating his wife?

Mmmm.

Edit:
I remember awhile ago that was a picture made with a fists extending from a man's mouth and punching the women.
Aka. Words hurt.

Would you.. yourself go up to a person with a broken face, black eye, broken arm and hair clumps pulled out and tell her you know EXACTLY how she feels because your boyfriend called you *****?

 

[Thaluikhain]

So essentially, people who say sexist/racist comments might get upset if we call them sexist/racist...
So we should censor ourselves so that we don't upset people who say sexist/racist comments...
I don't even...

Please keep in mind this isn't about me.

Are you seriously going to tell me that you're going to call someone a sexist over a sammich joke.

And then call someone sexist if he's beating his wife?

What's the bigger problem, and which one should we be more worried about?
Some 16 year old asshole on the web making sammich jokes.
Or the husband beating his wife?

Mmmm.

Edit:
I remember awhile ago that was a picture made with a fists extending from a man's mouth and punching the women.
Aka. Words hurt.

Would you.. yourself go up to a person with a broken face, black eye, broken arm and hair clumps pulled out and tell her you know EXACTLY how she feels because your boyfriend called you *****?

I think most people are capable of recognising degrees of severity, and don't feel the need to falsely equate all instances of sexism.

 

[The-Traveling-Bard]

So essentially, people who say sexist/racist comments might get upset if we call them sexist/racist...
So we should censor ourselves so that we don't upset people who say sexist/racist comments...
I don't even...

Please keep in mind this isn't about me.

Are you seriously going to tell me that you're going to call someone a sexist over a sammich joke.

And then call someone sexist if he's beating his wife?

What's the bigger problem, and which one should we be more worried about?
Some 16 year old asshole on the web making sammich jokes.
Or the husband beating his wife?

Mmmm.

Edit:
I remember awhile ago that was a picture made with a fists extending from a man's mouth and punching the women.
Aka. Words hurt.

Would you.. yourself go up to a person with a broken face, black eye, broken arm and hair clumps pulled out and tell her you know EXACTLY how she feels because your boyfriend called you *****?

I think most people are capable of recognising degrees of severity, and don't feel the need to falsely equate all instances of sexism.

Too be honest from my real life experience and seeing some shit online. I don't think people can.

 

[Aris Khandr]

Welcome to the internet, where you are just another faceless drone. Your friends may know the context of your jokes, but on the internet we do not. So if you make sexist jokes, we're going to see you as a sexist. Don't want to be a sexist? Stop making sexist jokes. Don't expect the same level of familiarity on the internet as you have with your friends.

 

[ThreeName]

Edit: And by the way, I am Equalitarian. I say this now because I know this will turn into a Feminism-thread sooner or later.
As an Equalitarian, I believe in equal opportunity, positive-discrimination (though certain cases are gray areas and up for debate), equal treatment and equal support for both sexes. The guiding principle overall is to create a better, more equal society without violating basic principles of rights for either sex (unless they are covered by the gray-areas of positive discrimination).
If you believe the same, then please, call yourself an Equalitarian (a term I made up about a month ago), just so that when the next asshat silly person says 'Feminists are sexists and just hate men' you can tell them that you are indeed NOT a feminist and tell them to up the shut f*ck be quiet.

(Code of Equalitrianism may change over time if proper arguments are given, if so, you will all be noted. Thank you.)

Didn't you "make up" that term when you were having a whinge because people were judging feminists based on the actions of people who identify as feminists?

Also, like I said when you "made it up", it's called "egalitarianism" and it already exists, even sometimes actually called "equalitarianism".

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Egalitarianism

Well done coining a term that already exists, demonstrating your obviously capable knowledge on the subject.

 

[MeChaNiZ3D]

I'd have thought this was obvious, but well...look at the posts. Jokes about racism and sexism aren't necessarily racist or sexist. They can be, but often they are not.

As far as freedom of speech, no, you shouldn't be limited as to whether or not you're allowed to say offensive things, whatever the reason. You may wish to speak in a certain way in order to avoid causing offence, but if you don't want to you shouldn't have to. How other people interpret what you say is not your problem. There are people who would tell me using the word '******', in any sense, whether to imitate a character, or to refer to a 'friend' or even as a general word describing a person (in the same way 'fag' is used occasionally to refer to a group without implying anything about them), is offensive and should never be done. Or, better, is 'casual racism'. That's bullshit, I'm fine with black people, I have never used the word ****** to discriminate or marginalise, and I have even avoided using it in cases where it could be misconstrued by the person I'm talking to. I'm still firmly entrenched in my belief that you can't be 'casually racist' without being knowingly racist, and it's the same with sexism.

EDIT: And really, any opinion based on the premise that people either have no capacity to determine context, OR that the speaker must consider every context that could be implied, isn't being realistic. When I say 'mankind', some people will interpret that as meaning men and only men. Most people will realise I am using it to mean all of humantiy, which is its actual meaning. As the person saying it, I have faith that people listening to it will figure out which definition I'm going for given the context of it within what I'm saying, unless I want to be particularly clear. But I don't have to be and can still have a reasonable expectation of not being misconstrued.

EDIT 2: Trolling is a whole other kettle of fish. Trolls are trying to be offensive, not just ambiguous or misunderstood. Most of the time, ignoring the possibility that they're a troll, you have every right to argue the point as if they're sexist or racist if you have no indication otherwise. They are essentially sexist and racist people, except that they aren't really. But their points are deliberately offensive and can be treated as such. Dealing with a troll is entirely different from dealing with someone who is attempting to make a joke, or just talk the way they normally do. If someone says "I hate black people" you don't have to go "Well...he could just be saying that, I don't know that he's actually racist", you can assume they're racist. If someone says "What up, mah niggers", they're probably not being racist. It comes down to common sense and how much of it the responder has.

 

[Caiphus]

I make sexist remarks all the time.
But that doesn't make a sexist. My remarks don't come from a deep anger/hatred from women it comes from because I have a difference sense of humor. And that does NOT make me less of a person.

Well, that appears to be the motive for making this thread right there.

If you want to fight against REAL sexism and REAL racism. Please fight against these people.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aplfYAbOvgA

This is REAL sexism people. This is the REAL issue.

Other people being sexist in real life doesn't give you the right to be sexist on the internet without criticism. We can, quite easily, criticise both.

No. No. No. No.
Please grow up, and stop acting like anybody who makes even a slight sexist statement is a sexist person. We live in a age where trolling is very wide spread and people will say horrible things because they can get away with it.

People say horrible things. Therefore I should be allowed to say horrible things. And you cannot criticise me because I'm no worse than everyone else. So everyone will continue to say horrible things and the internet will continue to be shit, and that's just fine.

Is this your position?

Maybe on other websites this is ok, I'd rather not on this one. For one, it's against the CoC. Second, it's not nice.

Learn some fucking context people and stop throwing words around like your throwing pennies in a wishing well.

Learn that the internet is a context and people will tend to take your words at face value because of:
a) Poe's Law
b) The inherent difficulty in finding subtext on the internet.
c) People don't know you from a bar of soap, literally. You are a faceless, mostly anonymous wall of text. People will not know about your sense of humour; "Oh that Travelling Bard. He's not really a sexist, he doesn't mean it."

 

[Caiphus]

I'd have thought this was obvious, but well...look at the posts. Jokes about racism and sexism aren't necessarily racist or sexist. They can be, but often they are not.

As far as freedom of speech, no, you shouldn't be limited as to whether or not you're allowed to say offensive things, whatever the reason. You may wish to speak in a certain way in order to avoid causing offence, but if you don't want to you shouldn't have to. How other people interpret what you say is not your problem. There are people who would tell me using the word '******', in any sense, whether to imitate a character, or to refer to a 'friend' or even as a general word describing a person (in the same way 'fag' is used occasionally to refer to a group without implying anything about them), is offensive and should never be done. Or, better, is 'casual racism'. That's bullshit, I'm fine with black people, I have never used the word ****** to discriminate or marginalise, and I have even avoided using it in cases where it could be misconstrued by the person I'm talking to. I'm still firmly entrenched in my belief that you can't be 'casually racist' without being knowingly racist, and it's the same with sexism.

EDIT: And really, any opinion based on the premise that people either have no capacity to determine context, OR that the speaker must consider every context that could be implied, isn't being realistic. When I say 'mankind', some people will interpret that as meaning men and only men. Most people will realise I am using it to mean all of humantiy, which is its actual meaning. As the person saying it, I have faith that people listening to it will figure out which definition I'm going for given the context of it within what I'm saying, unless I want to be particularly clear. But I don't have to be and can still have a reasonable expectation of not being misconstrued.

Jokes are usually fine. If you can tell that they're jokes. People will have varying tolerances for offensive material, but for the most part, if you were genuinely trying to be funny, then no harm is done. Perhaps show some empathy if you step over the line, just like in real life, but what the hell.


Freedom of speech is also fine. However, I should also be allowed to freely criticise you if you say something that offends me.
Freedom of speech is also not the right to an audience, not that you suggested that it was. If the escapist boots you off for being a dick too many times, then you only have yourself to blame.


In terms of people mis-interpeting you, I can go either way on that. Because this is the internet, your actual intent will always be difficult to ascertain. If you want to be a decent guy, you should make it your problem if someone is legitimately offended by what you write. "Sorry, I didn't mean to offend. I was joking." never really goes amiss.

On the other hand, just as with the mankind example you gave, people can be deliberately difficult.
It's up to you to figure out which it is.


Or you could be a jerk because this is the internet and other people's feelings be damned, not that I'm implying that you are.

 

[MeChaNiZ3D]

Freedom of speech is also fine. However, I should also be allowed to freely criticise you if you say something that offends me.

That's precisely what makes freedom of speech acceptable for me. The punishment for saying stupid or intolerant things is that people will demolish you for being stupid or intolerant. If it was a case of 'if you don't have anything nice to say, don't say anything at all', that would be ridiculous.

Freedom of speech is also not the right to an audience, not that you suggested that it was. If the escapist boots you off for being a dick too many times, then you only have yourself to blame.

But the Escapist lays out clearly the rules of what you can and can't say, as should every site that wants to punish members for doing or saying certain things, and often they do. I don't have a problem with complying with the rules of the site, although I do disagree with a few of them.

In terms of people mis-interpeting you, I can go either way on that. Because this is the internet, your actual intent will always be difficult to ascertain. If you want to be a decent guy, you should make it your problem if someone is legitimately offended by what you write. "Sorry, I didn't mean to offend. I was joking." never really goes amiss.

On the other hand, just as with the mankind example you gave, people can be deliberately difficult.
It's up to you to figure out which it is.


Or you could be a jerk because this is the internet and other people's feelings be damned, not that I'm implying that you are.

Pretty much. It's up to the poster to decide how much context their audience needs to interpret what they say in the way it was intended to be interpreted, and doing that requires just general human communication skills, and that goes for determining whether or not the responder is deliberately ignoring context in order to be offended as well. I'm not generally a jerk about things, I don't think, but if other people want to be they can, and some of the time that's an understandable approach.

 

[Ikasury]

wow i'm too lazy to read past the first couple of posts... but let me do this first...

*HUGS!!*

now i'm going to go take a shower because i feel dirty... do i have to frame that in /sarcasm? is there a [/sarcasm], i would love this as i use it ALL THE TIME and people seem to get the wrong idea... like someone accused me disliking 'violence' because i thought CoD and WoW were dumb... huh? dunno where that came from since i have such a raging passion for BERSERK!! but yes... context...

personally, i'm not fond of '-isms' as they just limit people on what they can say... and yea, i can tell you're just an asshole on the internet, so? a lot-MOST people are, and i suppose i get more tiffy about the comments themselves being vile then whatever their supposed 'intent' is... like those 'go get raped' things, sorry i can't find anything alturistic about that, as they say 'rape is its own kind of evil', but something stupid like 'get me a sammich!' oh... ooh that... *snorts*

okay i'm an 'Uber-Female', i like to consider myself a 'better person' then most of the 'chicks' out there i know that seem to be the culminating representation of what being 'woman' is and i wholly disagree... so when my friend tells me 'Go make me a sammich!' my response is to mildly glare at him into submission... do i think he's being 'sexist'? well he's part of a male majority at our work (we were in school in the navy), he's one of the highest ranking in our class, and he's from alabama... by all accounts i should 'think' he's sexist with a superiority-complex over women (as he liked to show off his higher grades then me all the time) did i? no, he's just being 'stupid' to make me be pissy because it amused him...

that's not 'sexist' that's just being that one friend that you love to hate for stupid things like this... he's actually one of the most gender-equal people i knew and put his mom on a pedestal above everyone, when he was DMing for us in D&D and made me of the 'MOM-CLASS' that he made up (woo! homebrew~) was i originally offended? yes... but because i knew him, and after i realized i was actually being given an extremely OP-class, i rolled with it, dealing with him challenged a lot of my own views on sexism/reverse-sexism and in the end we all learned things... (and being the Team MOM was never more awesome) some people are just 'stupid' and when you meet these people, just laugh with them...

all -isms and our preconceptions really affect a lot of things, but i think the big problem is people are just assholes mostly and others take them seriously... i look at everything with a grain of humor and it all seems to work out... that and when '-isms' are being serious and in effect, they are 'subtle', very, very, very subtle...

so yea, boss-man, you can be an asshole all you like, its the internet, i know you're just being a jerk for the sake of being a jerk and no big over-arching 'thing' above it... *snickers* but its nice, cause while i don't like jerks for the sake of being jerks, some times we need people like that to just point out the stupidity that's going on, and if for nothing else i'll salute you for that... :3

now, i need a shower and probably get hubby to make me a sammich~ XD

 

[ThreeName]

Seriously dude?
Not everyone knows everything. He may have never heard that, and neither have I. That doesn't make me any less intelligent than you. ( OR you more intelligent than him)

Then a) you're uneducated and b) you're presumptuous. He may never have heard that? I told him that. Before he made up the term. He quoted me when he made it. How about you keep your nose out of discussions you don't understand and can't contribute to before you make yourself look like a fool?

Also, for the record, this thread is fucking ridiculous. Sexist language is sexist, thus the person who said it is sexist. QED. We're not "judging a book by it's cover", we're judging it by (appropriately enough) it's words. Your analogy has backfired. If your words contribute to the degradation of a social group, you are being sexist/homophobic/whatever. Are there different levels of sexism etc? Of course there bloody are. But you're still bloody sexist, and I'm sick of seeing these "It wasn't meant to be offensive, I'm clearly the victim here!" routines, let alone "It was only a joke" bullshit.

 

[The-Traveling-Bard]

Seriously dude?
Not everyone knows everything. He may have never heard that, and neither have I. That doesn't make me any less intelligent than you. ( OR you more intelligent than him)

Then a) you're uneducated and b) you're presumptuous. He may never have heard that? I told him that. Before he made up the term. He quoted me when he made it. How about you keep your nose out of discussions you don't understand and can't contribute to before you make yourself look like a fool?

Also, for the record, this thread is fucking ridiculous. Sexist language is sexist, thus the person who said it is sexist. QED. We're not "judging a book by it's cover", we're judging it by (appropriately enough) it's words. Your analogy has backfired. If your words contribute to the degradation of a social group, you are being sexist/homophobic/whatever. Are there different levels of sexism etc? Of course there bloody are. But you're still bloody sexist, and I'm sick of seeing these "It wasn't meant to be offensive, I'm clearly the victim here!" routines, let alone "It was only a joke" bullshit.

Should I call my friend over who is a quantum theorist?
Or should I talking about how to make swords/spears from blacksmithing?

Both areas I assume that you have no knowledge in. (Or at least very unlikely)

Should I look down at you and treat you like shit because I know something you don't?
Everyone is uneducated at some point because it is impossible to know everything.
So get off your high horse.



Also. ^-^ I don't care if your sick of it. It's a fact of life. Maybe you should stop taking everything as literal and blow it out to large portion?

As for the degradation of a social group goes.

Yeah, tell me when all those sammich jokes have ever started a movement against women.
Please, go ahead.
Tell me how a bunch of 16 years calling each other gay on xbox live ever started a mass riot against gay people.

No?
Okay then.


Edit:

This is the type I am tired of fucking seeing.
They're acting like a bunch of 16 years old making sammich jokes and a bunch of stories are what causing the "degradation of a social group"

You know.
Not those people out there who are beating gays to death. Raping women.
No, no. the REAL issue here is the 16 year old using the word gay to insult someone.

The real issues are a bunch of trollers who are known to use everything and anything at their disposable to make someone feel uncomfortable regardless of gender, and race.

That's the real issue.

Let's forget about the KKK and other groups that actually go out and KILL people.

Let's focus on this dick head making a sammich joke.

 

[ThreeName]

Should I call my friend over who is a quantum theorist?
Or should I talking about how to make swords/spears from blacksmithing?

Both areas I assume that you have no knowledge in. (Or at least very unlikely)

Should I look down at you and treat you like shit because I know something you don't?
Everyone is uneducated at some point because it is impossible to know everything.
So get off your high horse.

You can look down on me as soon as I start trying to talk about things I don't understand. I'll stay up here on my high horse of actual knowledge on this subject though, thanks. You realise that just saying "other people know things" doesn't actually help your argument, right? You're still talking about things you don't understand, and that is the primary issue.

Also. ^-^ I don't care if your sick of it. It's a fact of life.

You're right, ignorance is a fact of life. Also, lol;

Maybe you should stop taking everything as literal and blow it out to large portion?

Yeah, tell me when all those sammich jokes have ever started a movement against women.
Tell me how a bunch of 16 years calling each other gay on xbox live ever started a mass riot against gay people.

Take your own advice there, champ. Apparently in order to count as homophobic you need to start a riot. Your knowledge of social theory is hopelessly quaint, and it's really quite sad that you see anyone who displays more aptitude for topics as smug. You should probably try to learn things instead.

And what does "take everything as literal" mean? We're not discussing The Bible.

 

[The-Traveling-Bard]

Should I call my friend over who is a quantum theorist?
Or should I talking about how to make swords/spears from blacksmithing?

Both areas I assume that you have no knowledge in. (Or at least very unlikely)

Should I look down at you and treat you like shit because I know something you don't?
Everyone is uneducated at some point because it is impossible to know everything.
So get off your high horse.

You can look down on me as soon as I start trying to talk about things I don't understand. I'll stay up here on my high horse of actual knowledge on this subject though, thanks. You realise that just saying "other people know things" doesn't actually help your argument, right? You're still talking about things you don't understand, and that is the primary issue.

Also. ^-^ I don't care if your sick of it. It's a fact of life.

You're right, ignorance is a fact of life. Also, lol;

Maybe you should stop taking everything as literal and blow it out to large portion?

Yeah, tell me when all those sammich jokes have ever started a movement against women.
Tell me how a bunch of 16 years calling each other gay on xbox live ever started a mass riot against gay people.

Take your own advice there, champ. Apparently in order to count as homophobic you need to start a riot. Your knowledge of social theory is hopelessly quaint, and it's really quite sad that you see anyone who displays more aptitude for topics as smug. You should probably try to learn things instead.

And what does "take everything as literal" mean? We're not discussing The Bible.

It's kinda silly that you couldn't see my point because you can't get off that high horse.

Let me make it clearer.

The majority close to almost all people on xbox live who uses the insult gay have never actually gone out and beat the life out of a gay person.

But yes. Let's continue to focus on these idiots instead of the REAL issues. Let's not focus on the *actual* groups who are committing physical harm and harassing these social groups.


Just like Americans. Always dancing around the issues and blame, blame, blame, blame. Blame that, blame this, blame you, blame me. Then next month sweep everything underneath the rug without ever doing anything about the actual issues.

 

[Ryotknife]

Seriously Escapist.

Pardon me, but is that in reference to the OP or the site? Because I can assure you that they do not speak for anyone but himself/herself. He's just one man/lady/muppet/potato/etc. Anyway, back on topic. It's absolutely fine to make jokes among friends. Traveling-Bard, that kind of logic doesn't quite work on the internet. Tone is very difficult to get across. And everyone reads it differently. Statements are taken at face value.

Sure this guy only speaks for himself, but lately there's been a pretty clear anti-female trend from a lot of posters on the Escapist

ive been noticing an exact opposite trend, as evident with how rarely people gang up on a female poster regardless of the topic or what they said. Granted, I assume it was meant as a joke, but once again people usually take things seriously, and it wasn't this time.

The only female poster whom I saw the forum gang up on in the two years ive been here was gunsmithkitten during her....expose....on japan. And even that was extremely light compared to equivalent offenses by male posters.

not going to point fingers, but recently we had a female poster make a scathing post in a...controversial topic that would make even sexist old men slack-jawed...or pop a boner im not sure which one. Not a single damn thing was said.

@OP, people take things said on the internet seriously or in the worst way possible. As passive aggressiveness is an art form on here, and as such people will examine something you say from every angle. Stick to making jokes about yourself, its safer. And honestly, you should know better than to start any gender topic. Name a single gender topic that doesn't turn into a fight.

Also what's with the comment on Americans?

guessing it has to do with how both dem and repub party leadership take any and all opportunities to try to smear the other. Rather than both sides sitting down and figuring out a solution, it turns into a blame war which compounds the problem.

While I don't like American bashing, that is kinda true. It is something that is being grumbled about more and more by the populace. It is getting to the point where if Dems/Repubs say that coal is black, the other side will swear that it is white.

 

[ThreeName]

It's kinda silly that you couldn't see my point because you can't get off that high horse.

Let me make it clearer.

The majority close to almost all people on xbox live who uses the insult gay have never actually gone out and beat the life out of a gay person.

But yes. Let's continue to focus on these idiots instead of the REAL issues. Let's not focus on the *actual* groups who are committing physical harm and harassing these social groups.

Just like Americans. Always dancing around the issues and blame, blame, blame, blame. Blame that, blame this, blame you, blame me. Then next month sweep everything underneath the rug without ever doing anything about the actual issues.

Your argument is essentially "Because gay people get physically attacked, we should ignore people who perpetuate stigma", despite any goddamn social theorist worth their salt being able to tell you that the two are inextricably related. I wouldn't go so far as to say causal, mind you. Like I said, you're uneducated on this topic. Please learn a bit more about deviant social groups, marginalisation and social stigma.

Also what's with the comment on Americans?

 

[The-Traveling-Bard]

It's kinda silly that you couldn't see my point because you can't get off that high horse.

Let me make it clearer.

The majority close to almost all people on xbox live who uses the insult gay have never actually gone out and beat the life out of a gay person.

But yes. Let's continue to focus on these idiots instead of the REAL issues. Let's not focus on the *actual* groups who are committing physical harm and harassing these social groups.

Just like Americans. Always dancing around the issues and blame, blame, blame, blame. Blame that, blame this, blame you, blame me. Then next month sweep everything underneath the rug without ever doing anything about the actual issues.

Your argument is essentially "Because gay people get physically attacked, we should ignore people who perpetuate stigma", despite any goddamn social theorist worth their salt being able to tell you that the two are inextricably related. I wouldn't go so far as to say causal, mind you. Like I said, you're uneducated on this topic. Please learn a bit more about deviant social groups, marginalisation and social stigma.

Also what's with the comment on Americans?

Something I tacked on because /ranting.

It's not that I am uneducated you silly goof.
Is that I just don't fucking care about some groups of 16 year old kids using the word gay or making sammich joke online.
And to say it creates a stigma, and other bullshit is just down right total bullshit.
Why? Because...

....


Wait for it..

NOBODY TAKES THESE ASSHOLES SERIOUSLY!
Sorry, let me rephase.

Barely anyone takes these people seriously.

Seriously do you think of a wave a xbox live/PSN network is going to pave a way to social stigma and other things they clearly cause? /sarcasm.
That's outrageous!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gXutcufSdSk

I have yet to actually see any proof, or evidence that isn't propaganda/some really far out stretch that pulled right from their asses to make makes in real impact on social groups.

Besides.. when has the original xbox been released?
... let's assume the gay thing was "cool" back then.
Guess what?
STILL HASN'T DONE ANYTHING.
But these so called "Sexist" or "Homophobic" are hurting teh social groups ;-;

Seriously when the last gay person complained about the use of the word gay on the xbox?
Yeah, it's there. But it's generally a minority that have a problem with it.

You're arguing and defending that even the social groups do not give a fuck about. So.. where's your point?
They generally don't care.

People act like art/stories/music/anything effects the way people think. They generally don't. We don't have a see monkey, monkey do act with social forms of media. I see all the time stories about husbands beating their wives and wives beating their husbands.

Have I ever went out and beat my girlfriend? Nope!

Again it really comes down. You're not focusing on the things that are actually causing the problem. Your actually just trying to feed your own agenda and try to be morally righteous all the time by being against it 24/7 even though you clearly do not see how little to no impact it has on the average person.

You know what has real impact?
A parent telling their kid that is okay to beat your wife when you grow up.

Not some kid calling you gay therefor you think gays are less inferior therefor you start going out beating gay people.

/ending this here

And for the love of god. Do not pull links off google stating some gays have a problem with the use of the word gay on xbox. I already stated that they are probably some out there that have a problem with it, but they're not the majority.