The downfall of Ctrl+Alt+Del...

[crazy-j]

Too many words!!!

that and maybe i am super dull but i dont really get the point of that whole comic??

anybody wanna help me out?

 

[thenoblepenguin]

Don't hate, sure its not the best but let him do his thing. He obviously enjoys doing the comic so who are you guys to judge?

I believe that if someone puts their stuff on display for everyone to see, then viewers have the right to judge what they see.

Or you have bad arguements. In fact, yes...you have bad arguements. Let me go ask my other friends in college what they think

*one focus group later*

they also say you have bad arguments

God forbid a comic have a storyline. This is why media is going to suffer a creative stagnation because culture is populated by dittoheaded morons who are displeased by anything not SAFE and FAMILIAR.

Yes yes, we're all very excited that you actually made it into college and made some friends. FYI, unless you're in Yale, Stanford, Harvard, or Oxford, bragging about your school of enrollment is nigh pointless. Besides, at the risk of sounding pretentious, I felt I had a fairly decent argument back toward the beginning of this thread.

And it's not the fact that CAD added a storyline that made fans angry; it was his execution. Fans wishing for funny strips don't want such a sudden shift in theme, and potential readers would want to read the earlier strips to identify with the characters, but the early strips established no characterization outside of "zany," "not zany," and "misanthropic (in the case of Zeke)." In effect, CAD alienated longtime readers while failing to elicit the actual melodrama necessary to bring in new, more "serious" readers.

Maybe you guys are not the targeted audience?

I can imagine a 12 year old girl might enjoy this.

One problem with that line of logic: CAD is supposed to be a video game webcomic. Being video gamers who read, we should be his core demographic. Unless of course, you were being sarcastic with that post.

Or you could read Fanboys.Similar themes,similar characters,similar humour(although all done in a much better way) and MUCH BETTER ART!

Yes, yes, and very yes. Fanboys is a comic that is funny, consistently appeals to its target audience without becoming stale (and actually referencing otherwise unrelated things like Seinfeld, Winnie the Pooh, and Peanuts), and, best of all, the author takes strides to better his style with every strip. This comic is a great example of what a gaming webcomic should be.

 

[crazy-j]

Too many words!!!

that and maybe i am super dull but i dont really get the point of that whole comic??

anybody wanna help me out?

Probably best you live in ignorance.

now that is not fair, if you asked the same thing i would try to answer it. who asked for your opinion anyways

anybody else know ?

 

[rottenbutter]

Too many words!!!

that and maybe i am super dull but i dont really get the point of that whole comic??

anybody wanna help me out?

Probably best you live in ignorance.

now that is not fair, if you asked the same thing i would try to answer it. who asked for your opinion anyways

anybody else know ?

It's a long story, a long, horribly written story. And Relevo is right, your better off not knowing. But if you really want to know, then read the comic (but trust me, you don't want to).

 

[Dr Pussymagnet]

Well, while we're on the topic of webcomics. Anyone ever read Boxer Hockey? Yes, it's not a gaming webcomic but it doesn't have any of that drama crap that I keep seeing in CAD.

Well I think this comic is pretty good...

EDIT: Here it is. http://boxerhockey.fireball20xl.com/archive.php?id=001.jpg

 

[The Iron Ninja]

Well, this thread got me reading through webcomics again for the first time in ages.
Anyway I came across this.

http://www.penny-arcade.com/comic/2008/2/29/

Screw Ctrl+Alt+Del, They are nothing compared to Penny Arcade

*runs of screaming "Nothing!"*

 

[rottenbutter]

I believe now is as good a time as any, to say that, a new VGcats comic is up.

http://www.vgcats.com/comics/

Now that is a how a good webcomic is done.

 

[The Iron Ninja]

I believe now is as good a time as any, to say that, a new VGcats comic is up.

http://www.vgcats.com/comics/

Now that is a how a good webcomic is done.

Awesome.

 

[Gahars]

Downfall? How can one fall when one has always been down? Tim Buckley has always sucked. I have never once laughed at his comic, ever. That is sad.

I have to agree

I mean, the comic itself has a plethora of potential and possibility, but the execution is just terrible.

It's a shame.

 

[Dogeman5]

I've followed PA for a while, stopped for the last 7-months, came back and still funny
but seriously what's with all the hate on Happiness and Cyanide?

 

[Fronken]

i just read the entire thing, seriously, i've read funnier stuff in books about WW2, this was just like another crappy hollywood movie about a couple who has troubles, brake up, then get together again in a sappy and unrealistic hollywood ending...except this doesnt make the ladies all mushy and horny like the chick flicks does... :/

 

[Brett Alex]

I still enjoy CAD, even after Lilah was introduced and the storyline, as you guys claim, "went to shit." As another writer, I have nothing but respect for Buckley's story lines and as far as art goes, I can barely draw stick figures, so who am I to judge? I'm willing to bet that half of the people bitching A) haven't read the entire thing, B) can't draw a thing to save their lives, and C) wouldn't know a good story if it stripped naked in front of them and got into a mud wrestling match with Pamela Anderson.

And I'm so sick of this "Yahtzee says" stuff. Seriously, can't you guys think for yourselves? Just because Yahtzee didn't like one storyline, the lot of you go and bash the entire comic. Some of you haven't even read the comic!

And it was a miscarriage, not an abortion. Tim wrote that storyline because it was something personal and important to him, and if you can't respect that, then go jump off a cliff.

Well I have read the entire thing, its a great shame, both for the fact that I had that much time to waste and that it started out looking so good then ended up like, well like it is.

I can't draw a thing to save my life, but I don't take issue with the drawing (I love C+H for example).

I would like to think I can recognize good writing or a good story, and in my opinion, I don't see it in Ctrl+Alt+Del.

Sure, make your comedy gaming strip serious if you want, but make the transition gradual, make it subtle and make it work.
Suddenly cramming in serious issues for the sake of serious issues is not good writing.
Look at this. [http://www.ctrlaltdel-online.com/comic.php?d=20080528]
That was the last strip before the real serious story arcs began.

Look at this. [http://www.ctrlaltdel-online.com/comic.php?d=20080602] That was almost directly after it.

Notice something? Theres not room for a playing card in between both of those. You can't expect people to take you seriously if you just suddenly start going from wordy, humorous vague gaming references to "Important Issues". It devalues the issues themselves (the miscarriage in this case is basically watered down into a plot device) and it devalues your integrity as a writer (not always a problem, but it seems pretty clear that Buckley assumes he has this.

In summary, crow-baring important issues into your story with all the finesse of a hippopotamus on crystal meth does not equal good writing.

Oh and as for the Yahtzee thing, I think root meant it as a joke

 

[teh_gunslinger]

[link]http://refried.timtekindustries.com/index.php?comicID=58[/link]

Anyone remember this mess? It always rubbed me the wrong way, and I think that was the point where I started to loose my interest in CAD. I actually can't remember if Buckley ever resolved the whole thing. Not that I really care. It's just a little part of me that needs to know how stories end, no matter how awful they are.

I realise that the link is not exactly unbiased, but it did have all the strips.

 

[rottenbutter]

And it was a miscarriage, not an abortion. Tim wrote that storyline because it was something personal and important to him, and if you can't respect that, then go jump off a cliff.

yo b^uckley said he was glad his girl miscarried because it gave him a reason to break up with her, he's like a major jerk

No, jerks knock things out of your hands for no reason. What Tim said, makes him an asshole. There is a difference.

 

[SimuLord]

Its more than a shitty comic, its rather poorly cloaked and pathetic author projection.

This is worse than Harry Potter fanfiction with a new character oddly named the same as the author. Does he honestly expect anyone to enjoy this? Relationship storylines are sometimes great, adding maturity and depth to a comic or universe, but this is most certainly not one of them.

The comic is bad, the creator is an asshole. There is no downfall when your head was already pressed into the latrine.

I'm-a go with this one. Buckley's a no-talent ass clown, a festering boil on the ass of the Internet, and a walking insult to the writer's craft. I'd rag on his art, but I can barely draw a stick fig...wait a minute, xkcd is freakin' hilarious and relies ENTIRELY on stick figures, so I CAN rag on Buckley's art as aesthetically ugly and showing itself as unable to decide whether the comic is art- or writing-driven since it fails at both.

 

[Lord Krunk]

Its more than a shitty comic, its rather poorly cloaked and pathetic author projection.

This is worse than Harry Potter fanfiction with a new character oddly named the same as the author. Does he honestly expect anyone to enjoy this? Relationship storylines are sometimes great, adding maturity and depth to a comic or universe, but this is most certainly not one of them.

The comic is bad, the creator is an asshole. There is no downfall when your head was already pressed into the latrine.

I'm-a go with this one. Buckley's a no-talent ass clown, a festering boil on the ass of the Internet, and a walking insult to the writer's craft. I'd rag on his art, but I can barely draw a stick fig...wait a minute, xkcd is freakin' hilarious and relies ENTIRELY on stick figures, so I CAN rag on Buckley's art as aesthetically ugly and showing itself as unable to decide whether the comic is art- or writing-driven since it fails at both.

Don't forget the stupendously basic art in Order of the Stick, but xkcd is better.

Actually, it's probably my favourite webcomic.

 

[TIMESWORDSMAN]

Too many words!!!

Second.