The Ending Was Not ME3's Only Problem
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I still just don't think the Crucible was as big a factor as you're making it to be (which is what we're debating at this pointTuesday Night Fever said:
). I think the "scratch my back and I'll scratch yours" mentality would still prevail.Shepard seeks out the Turians because he/she needs their fleet to help take-back Earth. And rightfully, the Turians say "We're not helping Earth since Palavin is still fucked. However...if you could find a way to help unfuck Palavin *cough*KROGAN*cough* maybe we could send our fleets to help you." The Krogan would sign on out of their eternal gratefulness for curing the Genophage (or at least making them think you did) and because they now see a future for their people to fight for.
All I'm saying is that I think that while having a plan with the Crucible certain does sweeten the deal, each of the races - considering what Shepard has done in for them in the past - would still have joined the cause even without the Crucible.Then they plug in the Crucible and find out it's just a giant radio box that broadcasts "Please leave us alone..." on Reaper frequencies, politely asking them to leave.
She would have gone if you had had Jacob.Goofguy said:
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Well you deserve a gold star for not being like the rest of the dispshits on this forum. Good on ya.Goofguy said:
I actually didn't mind this one - after all, if you stop to think about it for even a second, Anderson was a horrible choice for Councilor (he has zero qualifications for it, he never wanted the job, and condemning a solider like that to a life of politics and desk work is just... cruel) and the only thing worse than that is the idea that humanity's top representative to the other species of the galaxy could be chosen largely on the say-so of a soldier - even if that soldier is a Spectre.Mikeyfell said:
TBH, I think this is largely a result of Bioware regretting giving us a choice in the first place. As for what that mission would have been like if Anderson had somehow been Councillor, I think it would've been basically the same. You might've even still gotten to shoot Udina, he probably would have organised the whole thing from his post as Anderson's deputy.
Once again, I actually think this is a good thing. Seriously, if there's an idea that's even sillier than having a soldier making political appointments, it's the idea that one soldier having a 30-second conversation with a couple of politicians could have any influence whatsoever on whether or not an entire species goes to war.Mikeyfell said:
I know, gaming and suspension of disbelief and stuff but seriously, the idea is stupid. The quarians were always going to make up their own minds about that one.
TBH, a lot of that stuff felt really tacked on in ME2 - meeting Gianna or the slaver again, or Nassana Dantius just happening to be the bad guy in Thane's mission. Let's be honest, there was no good reason for most of them to be in ME2, let alone this game. I think the way they were handled in ME3 was probably about right.Mikeyfell said:
I think the suggestion is that Kasumi was obviously quite... erm... keen on Jacob, and probably would have come along if he had have been there.Goofguy said:
There's a perfectly valid reason why Kasumi (and indeed, half the cast of ME2) can't join you in ME3 though - aside from all their other issues, a lot of them (Kasumi, Miranda, Jacob, Thane I think, probably Zaeed too, definitely Morinth if you chose her) are wanted criminals and the Normandy is an Alliance ship again, so they have to take that stuff kind of seriously. I guess you could have them pardoned, but it still probably wouldn't sit well as they were wanted for much worse stuff than, say, Ken and Gabby.
Oh I know that Kasumi had a thing for Jacob, I would find it pretty shallow if that were her reason to join/not join Shepard.AD-Stu said:
And your point about the ME2 squadmates' past transgressions is irrelevant. Once Miranda's sister was saved and her father stopped, she joined the war with little to no issue (confirmed by her final words to Shepard on Earth). Jacob and Kasumi both became part of the Crucible project so clearly they were trusted enough by Hackett. Thane was dying so that was a moot point. Hackett was thankful to have the Blue Suns, Blood Pack and Eclipse mercs helping out so wouldn't Zaeed (one of the founders of the Blue Suns, btw) also be useful?
The whole war was pretty much Hackett trusting Shepard's judgement and Shepard would gladly have taken a lot of his old crew back. The only thing stopping some of them were their crappy excuses. When faced with the possible extinction of many of the galaxy's races, I think the Alliance would look the other way when it came to past wrongdoings of certain characters if they could prove to be an asset in stopping the Reapers directly or indirectly.
*shrugs*
By the time Miranda redeems herself and gets right with the Alliance it's basically the end of the game though. Ditto Zaeed, and you don't get to Jacob until pretty late in the piece either.
The other thing you've got to remember (about Kasumi in particular) is that somebody needs to foot her bill. She was a mercenary in ME2 and Cerberus was paying her to risk her life on a suicide mission. I think it's perfectly reasonable for her not to want to go on another one if she's not getting paid
Those are all plot reasons but let's be honest, the real reason for it is there were too many damn squad members in ME2 and Bioware made a deliberate decision to cut them down for ME3. The fact that they cut them down and there's still two or three I almost never used speaks volumes for how pointless it would have been to add even more.
By the time Miranda redeems herself and gets right with the Alliance it's basically the end of the game though. Ditto Zaeed, and you don't get to Jacob until pretty late in the piece either.
The other thing you've got to remember (about Kasumi in particular) is that somebody needs to foot her bill. She was a mercenary in ME2 and Cerberus was paying her to risk her life on a suicide mission. I think it's perfectly reasonable for her not to want to go on another one if she's not getting paid
Those are all plot reasons but let's be honest, the real reason for it is there were too many damn squad members in ME2 and Bioware made a deliberate decision to cut them down for ME3. The fact that they cut them down and there's still two or three I almost never used speaks volumes for how pointless it would have been to add even more.