The Felicia Day/Destructoid situation

[Moonlight Butterfly]

That's kind of dumb.
Why on earth would you single someone out and be like `justify your existance to me!`.
Sounds like a bit of a prick.

Indeed. I like Felicia Day and I definitely don't think of her as a 'glorified booth babe' I think this guy is just an idiot.

As a side note I think she was great in Supernatural <3

 

[Eyelicker]

Sometimes, the quantity of white knight amongst gamers makes me want to punch babies.

I don't give a fuck about Felicia Day or Ryan Perez, and neither should anyone else, I mean, I'm pretty sure that she didn't even react to this and it was all just mass white knighting that led to the firing.

He was attacking one person, not a whole gender, this never would have happened if she was a guy.

Someone questions some random chick about her validity and essentially accuses her of nerd baiting, whatever, I don't know enough about her to comment, but then billions of you cunts run in and "OMG SEXIST, DEFEND THE QUEEN, MYSOGYNIST PIGS" and basically force the guy to get fired. For fucking nothing, he's a fucking journalist, it's his job to have opinions.

Then you get the same pathetic losers who no doubt don't understand "why don't girls date me when I'm always so nice and respectful to them, girls only want assholes" tweeting at her apologising for their gender (how fucking pathetic can you get), and leaving all kinds of "sorry girls, we're not all like that" comments everywhere.

Please try and give less of a fuck about some random chick who doesn't even need your fucking help.

Yes I mad

Rant over, goodnight.

 

[InsanityRequiem]

So you're saying that it's not at all unprofessional for a writer who is employed to be a gaming journalist to not know how to use Google?

Go and read Chuck Wendig's piece [http://terribleminds.com/ramble/2012/07/01/the-wreck-of-the-s-s-censorship-or-how-writers-steer-their-careers-into-the-rocks/]. Then come back.

Yes, because last I checked, Google is not a valid source for information in the journalism world. Using google would just give you information from second, third, fourth hand sources. It's first hand or bust, at least that's what the late Hal Fishman taught me when I watched him on the news.

Also, I really couldn't stomach all the superfluous wording that Chuck put in that blog piece. All I got was that this was a form of censorship from his words. Which truthfully, seems like a good point. A black mark against gaming in my eyes. We're supposedly a better community, but the moment we perceive something bad, we go crazy. Like rabies infested dogs it seems.

 

[Moonlight Butterfly]

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The thing is he's not even asking it in a 'So what do you do?' kind of way. He's deliberately done it in an antagonistic manner.

I don't think he can use the 'I'm just doing research' excuse here.

 

[Kahunaburger]

this never would have happened if she was a guy.

This is true, in that he would have never made this comment about a Felix Day who leveraged his Joss Whedon geek cred into voice-acting gigs in games. (You don't see this guy going off on Nolan North or Nathan Fillion, for instance.)

This:

Then you get the same pathetic losers who no doubt don't understand "why don't girls date me when I'm always so nice and respectful to them, girls only want assholes"

kind of creepy nice guy thing is always something I associate with the sort of anger we saw on this guy's tweet. Just based on anecdotal evidence, it seems to me like a large number of people with free-floating anger against women will lapse into "I used to be a nice guy but then I decided I'd rather be an asshole" ranting if you push them.

 

[DoPo]

So you're saying that it's not at all unprofessional for a writer who is employed to be a gaming journalist to not know how to use Google?

Go and read Chuck Wendig's piece [http://terribleminds.com/ramble/2012/07/01/the-wreck-of-the-s-s-censorship-or-how-writers-steer-their-careers-into-the-rocks/]. Then come back.

Yes, because last I checked, Google is not a valid source for information in the journalism world. Using google would just give you information from second, third, fourth hand sources. It's first hand or bust, at least that's what the late Hal Fishman taught me when I watched him on the news.

So you're going from "Well, maybe he didn't know about Google" to "He shouldn't have used Google". And that somehow justifies being a dick? Really?

 

[Eyelicker]

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So you don't think that if someone tweeted this to Mike Krahulik or Wil Wheaton that people would have been like.. Erm no actually you are a moron.

Because I think they would have.

Also Felicia Day is quite famous and pretty damn awesome.

Probably yes, but it wouldn't have been the same magnitude. Celebs have twitter fights and exchange catty comments all the time, and you get the odd few fans chipping in and joining the slinging, but nothing ever comes of it.

Because its a guy getting at a girl, and so many gamers are white knights who think women need defending on the internet, as well as the current climate with tomb raider rape, that stupid sexism in games woman and whatnot and you get the huge overreaction and backlash we've seen.

Like fuck man, why is the misogyny debate so ubiquitous across gaming sites right now. Every time I turn on the internet it's like I'm being told I'm a terrible person for being a white male who has sex with girls.

Why can't we go back to 1998, no one would give a fuck then if some dude who writes for PSM had a spat with some chick who dressed as Lara Croft at E3.

 

[Lilani]

Because its a guy getting at a girl, and so many gamers are white knights who think women need defending on the internet

I think that may be a part of it, Felicia Day is certainly on a kind of pedestal in the geek world that most male moguls don't usually get. But I think a lot of this is also the fact that this wasn't a "celeb twitter fight." This was a guy insulting somebody out of nowhere and for absolutely no reason, with no instigation on her part. Say what you will about the Lara Croft thing, but this guy was just being an asshole, and he deserved to be called out on it.

 

[bells]

"i'm pretty sure..."
"I think..."
"In My Opinion..."

Holy fucking christ.... it's amazing how people can turn this topic into internal bitchslapping and spinning the discussion to something COMPLETELY different for no reason at all...

The most impressive is to see just how many of you have a formed opinion before doing the MINIMUM of research on the subject, so much so that just reading up your comments shows how little you know about the thing you're forming an opinion on...

Fucking hell people, 1 minute on google would before posting would render AT LEAST half of the comments in this thread completely pointless.... GEEZ!

 

[InsanityRequiem]

The thing is he's not even asking it in a 'So what do you do?' kind of way. He's deliberately done it in an antagonistic manner.

I don't think he can use the 'I'm just doing research' excuse here.

Yes, he did it in an antagonistic manner, which should have been responded with in a manner befitting a more "sophisticated" group that maker gamers say we are. Not like a mob of protectionists with rage blinders on.

So you're going from "Well, maybe he didn't know about Google" to "He shouldn't have used Google". And that somehow justifies being a dick? Really?

For all I know, he could be an idiot and that both are applicable in this situation. And when did I say what he did wasn't a dick move? How he tweeted the question was dickish, but the fact that you and many others went into protectionist mode may as well just solidified his dick questions in his mind. Mob of protectionists with rage blinders on does not tell him he's wrong. Telling him everything that Felicia Day has done would have been the smart and correct thing to do. And if he ignored all the following information that may have been given to him, then his firing would be the correct thing.

 

[Adam Jensen_v1legacy]

It was very stupid of him to post that publicly. And he does sound like a douche.

However, Felicia Day really isn't important at all. She just happens to be a cute chick that likes games. That's why people like her. I don't care about her at all. But I don't care about Nathan Fillion either so my opinion probably doesn't matter much in this discussion.

 

[Black Arrow Officer]

Grab your mountain dew and hot pockets fellas, cuz it's time for another...

INTERNET FIGHT!!!!

 

[Kahunaburger]

Like fuck man, why is the misogyny debate so ubiquitous across gaming sites right now. Every time I turn on the internet it's like I'm being told I'm a terrible person for being a white male who has sex with girls.

Yeah, how dare those "gamers" talk about the sexism in gaming! The entitlement! I might make some straight white cismales uncomfortable, which as we all know is the absolute worst thing that someone could do on the internet.

 

[Moonlight Butterfly]

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So you don't think that if someone tweeted this to Mike Krahulik or Wil Wheaton that people would have been like.. Erm no actually you are a moron.

Because I think they would have.

Also Felicia Day is quite famous and pretty damn awesome.

Probably yes, but it wouldn't have been the same magnitude. Celebs have twitter fights and exchange catty comments all the time, and you get the odd few fans chipping in and joining the slinging, but nothing ever comes of it.

Because its a guy getting at a girl, and so many gamers are white knights who think women need defending on the internet, as well as the current climate with tomb raider rape, that stupid sexism in games woman and whatnot and you get the huge overreaction and backlash we've seen.

Like fuck man, why is the misogyny debate so ubiquitous across gaming sites right now. Every time I turn on the internet it's like I'm being told I'm a terrible person for being a white male who has sex with girls.

Why can't we go back to 1998, no one would give a fuck then if some dude who writes for PSM had a spat with some chick who dressed as Lara Croft at E3.

The reason it's a big topic right now is because it's become a problem. People are getting sick of it and quite rightly too. I have been gaming since 1984 and I'm still considered a second class citizen in gaming. That my friend is bs.

I think he was out of order and I'm a woman? So am I a 'white knight' too then? lol.

He said Wil Wheaton was 'an opportunistic puddle of miscarriage soup' Yeah I think he is an ass for saying that too.

 

[Eyelicker]

kind of creepy nice guy thing is always something I associate with the sort of anger we saw on this guy's tweet. Just based on anecdotal evidence, it seems to me like a large number of people with free-floating anger against women will lapse into "I used to be a nice guy but then I decided I'd rather be an asshole" ranting if you push them.

I don't get why in gaming circles no one has a nice balanced view on woman. They're not all sluts and they're not all shining bastions of purity and goodness, they're just fucking people.

Every gaming website I go to is either "WOMAN ARE ALL SLUTS AND I HATE THEM ALL, LETS SHARE STORIES OF A FEW WOMAN BEING CUNTS AND JUDGE AN ENTIRE GENDER!" or "IM SUCH A NICE GUY, WOMAN ON THE INTERNET NEED MY HELP FROM THE CISPRIVILAGED MISOGYNIST HORDE, SORRY FOR BEING MALE (please hold me).

Yeah, Ryan was untactful as hell and it was a bad move and maybe he is an asshole, maybe he isn't, twitter isn't really the best platform to judge someone's character. He was drunk at the time, and you can't deny that nerd baiting isn't sometimes quite infuriating (not that I'm accusing ms Day, I know nothing about her) but that's basically what he thought for whatever reasons he had.

My point is, the reaction is ridiculous, and him getting fired is ridiculous, and destructoid's pathetic grovaling apologies are ridiculous.

 

[Moonlight Butterfly]

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I'm guessing he was fired for being a complete ass to some famous people. I mean there is a point where you become a liability to your employer. It would be like working for Heat magazine and tweeting Lady Gaga and calling her a useless ho. Not exactly a good move.

 

[NinjaDeathSlap]

Hmm... I wonder what Ryan Perez has "provided to gaming." Oh, wait, nobody asks that question because he has a Y chromosome and it's not a good question.

A /thread in the first post right here. Does everyone who likes games have to have contributed something to the medium to justify our place here? If so, a lot of us should probably be packing our bags ready to fuck right off then, myself included.

She's just a person, who likes games and is also well known, kinda like the female Nathan Fillion really, and I don't see anybody calling him a "glorified booth babe", quite the opposite. I don't think the gaming community could love him more even if he was. If people want to talk to her about games because she's a well known person who likes games then she has every right to express her opinions. It doesn't make her any kind of gaming journalist or expert, but as far as I know she's never claimed to be either of those things so what does it matter?

I swear, if I had a quid for every time I've ever asked myself, "Why is this even a thing?"...

 

[Kahunaburger]

I don't get why in gaming circles no one has a nice balanced view on woman. They're not all sluts and they're not all shining bastions of purity and goodness, they're just fucking people.

If this is actually what you think, we're definitely in agreement. People who respond to sexism by putting their head in the sand, people who only speak out against sexism because they think it will get them laid, and people who act sexist are all perpetuating the problem in different ways. And, as you said, these attitudes are pretty endemic on gaming websites. AFAIK, the Escapist is one of the least bad ones for this.

 

[DoPo]

So you're going from "Well, maybe he didn't know about Google" to "He shouldn't have used Google". And that somehow justifies being a dick? Really?

For all I know, he could be an idiot and that both are applicable in this situation. And when did I say what he did wasn't a dick move? How he tweeted the question was dickish, but the fact that you and many others went into protectionist mode may as well just solidified his dick questions in his mind. Mob of protectionists with rage blinders on does not tell him he's wrong. Telling him everything that Felicia Day has done would have been the smart and correct thing to do. And if he ignored all the following information that may have been given to him, then his firing would be the correct thing.

That's funny, when did I went into the so called "protectionist mode"? You just said something I thought was stupid, and I quote

Instead of getting him fired, which ultimately was an overreacted response, he should have been given all the information regarding what Felicia Day has done.

Or he could have taken five seconds out of his day to do a Google search. Just saying.

This is a guy that asked her directly what she does, in a somewhat antagonistic manner. Even with Google on hand, some people just don't have the realization that google is even there. I know I've had the problem with some things, asking others about something instead of googling it.

Which I take to mean that "Maybe he didn't google her because he forgot there was Google". And that somehow makes sense for a friggin' journalist. It doesn't, if you ask me, and I told you that.