loa said:
cleric of the order said:
sorry to interject here but I know not a lot of people swear by the SMG in games like tf2 but I do. it makes a nice chip damage weapon for when an opponent closes in and you can't quick scope.
It is not a opposite, it's a side arm the sniper will always be more effective with the sniper out, the assault rifle is a fall back weapon and a damn effective on at that.
So?
Something that goes babababababam and is unprecise is not the opposite of something that goes BAM and is precise how...?
What is your point?
Oh my point was (and I went so far to quote her blurb on the website about the gun). that a Assault rifle makes a good side arm once then enemy has gotten close. a sniper is worthless in mid to short range unless they can quick scope like a pro and this alternate form of the weapon allows her to fall back and pepper the enemy while retreating.
Secondarily I don't know the bullet spray on the weapon but from what I saw it doesn't seem that wide, pretty perceive for a full auto weapon but that could just be beta magic. So I would not call it imprecise, merely rabid fire and trust me I know some good friends that main medic if you can aim well with chip damage weapons you can inflict terrible damage.
My point was simple, you were and are over simplifying things and I wanted to give you the perspective of a guy that's wasted the better part of 4-5 years of his life on tf2 and other class based shooters.
loa said:
cleric of the order said:
If I read this right, and I'm sorry to chime in like this but you seem to have looked at hte artwork before the gameplay trailer and the cinematic thing they made.
From what I see the female, male and misc non human chars are instantly recognizable in function and form...
if they were instantly recognizeable, you wouldn't point out that I didn't see the trailer that spoon feeds their class jobs (and does a shitty job at that because I still have no idea just what exactly symmetra, monk robot and that reaper dude are supposedly doing) because I would have fucking instantly recognized what their function is by just looking at their concept art posted here.
Uh dude, I would point out that without there weapons you can't make a lot of judgements, you tell me what the Mercs do without seeing them before and without their weapons.
You can get a rough sense of it, winston would be a tanky guy and same with the heavy.
Parah and the soldier both fill pretty similair roles and that can be seen.
pyro.... well yeah.
windowmaker has her scanners and actually gives off more of being s sniper then the sniper.
The list goes on but that Is not what I meant, on the BATTLEFIELD they can be easily recognized, you can turn the corner go oh hey it's a heavy or bastion in this context and react accordingly.
Wait you don;t understand Symmetra?
How?
She puts down sentry turrets and a portal, she's a forward engineer, like a gunslinger.
I thought when I saw her damn that was smart blizzard, you set up an attacker engi that actually gives something to he attackers team.
And reaper is a mobile harasser like the scout with some Aoe, he's the defense equivalent of tracer in essence.
The monk guy is pretty cool, he's the defense equivalent of mercy, with his healing sphere and his aoe thing.
Again their designs are pretty damn cool.
loa said:
cleric of the order said:
And frankly I take some offense at how you want to reduce these women to their body types
I'm sorry that facts offend you but guess how much that changes about all female characters I have seen having the same "slender and conventionally beautiful" bodytype.
There's no, say, robot with a female voice.
Conventionally beautiful?
I don't know where to begin with this so I won't.
I will say that I was simply happy to she the characters in general. I didn't care what fleshy pieces were off of them but I have to wonder how you'd have anything less then a stringy or well toned person in a military situation. then again Parah under that armor I assumed was pretty hard bodied and it's also good to notice she stands over every over hero but Reinhardt and even then I have to question how that 61 year old German man could ever be that big.
Her backstory lists her as probably the fittest member of the group as well.
For tracer the body type fits thematically, she's a female scout...that can read, so it fits.
Widdowmaker...eh throw some morons a bone, I personally don't like her, or think she's sexy at all especially after reading her back story. (if anyone says her spine is broken, yes yes it actually is. her legs, arms and head may also have had extensive surgery)
Symmetra's an architect,
But all of this speculation seems above my station, I looked at this game being a straight dude and was like man these characters look cool I have to decide who to main. Then I thought to myself, There is no way those people banging on about sexism would come at this game and now that I've seen 3 threads filled with people banging on about it I am getting rather discontent. Frankly I wanted to autist out about this game like I normally do (I do have ASD so it can be expected) without any of that whining with no action paired, especially when they've hinted at more there being heroes to come and this game isn't even in open beta yet. If we went on the early gameplay trailer for tf2 (the one with nazi arm bands for red, you know it's true they look the same) then we'd still have the scout with a SMG and the demo with diamante instead of....winbombs......
Well that being said It's nice that you did watch the trailer, I was so damn giddy seeing it, I'd like to point out to you that if not for the question mark hanging over bastion the split between male characters and female ones would be 50/50 and that they did a boy girl thing on the website (well actually girl, boy).
Seriously check it out it's weird.
It's also good to note that bastion is right after a male and right before a male.
Just something to think about.
You might have found your female robot.
Or they tried to design a pyro, Schrodinger's demographic.
Huh, I just watch her gameplay trailer and it might be making some pretty feminine sounds, that might be confirmation basis but the Siege Automaton E54 bastion models were not meant to be anything less then soldiers and I wouldn't be surprised if they had their own method of communicating in group so as to not telegraph attacks and positions. So there's that.