The "fun-shooters" return. But why would anyone want that?

[Levethian]

FPS's should be varied to satisfy different audiences.

Why can't FPS's be combined with say, Tower Defence games, or Tyrian?

It's not like top-down games are only RTSs - they're RPGs, arcade shooters, etc. Why do FPSs have to be so damned limited?

Some of us want a quick 15-30 minute mindless kill-fest instead of playing an in-depth campaign for 8 hours before shelving the game. For that I turn to Aeons of Death, which offers several hundred ways to kill several hundred monsters, and which I've played on & off for about 3 years. Modern Warfare I played through twice, but wouldn't really touch again... despite how watery the water looks.

 

[Netrigan]

But honestly, really? Modern Warfare, all of call of duty games are overrated and hyped because it's a stupid fad. Just like justin beaver. Bad Company games are also hype, and I've played it and it was nothing special.

It's not a fad, it's been a growing trend. FPS have always gravitated toward military heroes since Doom and after 1998's Rainbow Six, realistic weapons and squad-based battles have been all the rage. The Counter-Strike mod has been dominating the PC MP scene since 1999.

After about 13 years, I think we can safely stop calling it a fad.

 

[JdaS]

Well this is one of those "matters of opinion" you must've heard your mommy and kindergarten teacher talk about years ago. You think DNF, Bulletstorm, etc. are boring shit, someone thinks super-serious USA World Police FPS are boring shit. Meanwhile, some of us are way too busy jizzing ourselves over the awesome comeback of the fighting genre(that's me if you were wondering) to give a shit about either.

So yeah, I guess the answer would be that many people would like that because they like that kind of game.

 

[GotMalkAvian]

The "good" shooters out these days are good in their own ways, but they're far different from the old-fashioned shooters. Somewhat unfortunately, shooters have been trending toward what developers like to call "realism," an in general the stories seem much more serious (there are exceptions, but not many).

For me, it's nice to see a return of mindless fluffy shooters. Think of it like movies: Sure, Oscar-winning dramas are really good, but sometimes you just wanna watch Die Hard.

 

[Madman123456]

There has been some advancement made over the years. Old Shooters really did pull a dick move like closing all doors and having people fight endless waves of enemies. Yawn.

But nowadays Games will have me hide behind cover. I did like the Mass Effect games, where you can basically defeat enemies with Magic to break up the gun-cover gameplay.

And i'm very tired of having a realistic number of Guns. Bleh. Whenever it fits, realism is dragged in. So now we have quite a lot of Games where we have realistic movement speed, a realistic number of Guns, realistic reloading and other realistic Bullshit.

But for some Reason i have yet to see a game where the Scope of a gun doesn't zoom and focus itself perfectly. If i would get shot in some non vital part, like in the Shoulder, i'd be in a Hospital for weeks.

So you can't make the games too realistic. Bullshit. I liked the first Games which had the powerarmor, because it was a way to explain why the Character isn't out for a week or so after the first bullet hits him.
Anyone remember "Star Trek: Elite Force"? The standard Star Trek Away team has been knocked up a notch and now they have personal Shields and the uniforms are armored.

Also, the have a "portable Transporterbuffer" which explains the number of Weapons you can carry around.

I'd rather have explanations like that woven into the game rather then have realism wherever i've seen it already a million times only to abandon it when the game developers couldn't think of another way to make this realistic.

So to this day, we don't have a single realistic shooter, because that realism is abandoned as soon as developers hit a hurdle. So taking cover will heal every wound, scopes will zoom in and focus and if i get shot in the leg, i just wander behind the next wall.

 

[Seigneur]

Maybe Nazis need a breather. We've been killing them dead since WW2.

 

[SkellgrimOrDave]

It's just that all the "good old games" mentioned in the various discussions about these games, are from my perspective horribly boring, repetetive grindfests soaked in testosterone and immaturity, and that I'm trying to grasp why anyone would want a game coming out in 2011 to be like a game that wasn't any good in 1995.

Because We're tired of gritty semi-realistic testosterone soaked tom clancey rip offs and want to have some FUN.

Yes, FUN, that strange thing we seem to have forgotten in all the bloodied screens and weak military plots, besides, most if not all shooters seem to take themselves far too seriously. The best FPS i've played in the last decade is either Painkiller, Bioshock or Fallout New Vegas.

The second because it had a well written and good story even if the difficulty curve went into pick your nose with one hand slaughter millions with the other near the end, The third because it actually felt immersive (Minus the freezes that completely shitted on the experience).

And the first because you had a gun which was a rocket launcher with a minigun round it.

That's the point, it was FUN FUN FUN.

Sometimes if you've had a long day at work/wanking/complaining about how bored you are, you want catharsis. No plot, no dialogue, nothing, you just want to feel like a deep freeze with legs and heavy ordanance for frontal limbs. Nothing against some of the modern shooters, modern warfare was good, but by and large the whole genre seems to forget that just once in a while you can have light-hearted, contextless, pick up gun and go kill millions.

 

[GotMalkAvian]

WTF. Why the hell is everyone calling games like COD realistic ?


Are you ppl serious ?? Go play some Arma2 or the original Flashpoint. Geez.

Agreed x1000. No video game is realistic (although I have to agree that Op Flashpoint comes damned close), but some games try for at least some realism in the setting, if not the gameplay itself.

I don't think gamers really want games that model weapon damage realistically, at least not against the player's character. The idea that a single bullet (perhaps even a stray not aimed at the player) could instantly kill or at least severely disable the player just isn't as much fun as singlehandedly taking down an entire terrorist cell while dodging from cover to cover to regenerate lost health. A lot of people want video games for escapism, for the interactive equivalent of a summer popcorn blockbuster movie.

 

[Arqus_Zed]

TimeSplitters.

Nuff' said.

Going back to the era where not everything is a CoD knock-off. Now it's all perks, regenerating health and 'prestige'. Bah! I mean, it's nice that those games exist as well. Hey, if you like that sort of stuff, good for you, but howsabout some variation for the people who would like to do something else than an interactive simulation of the misery you see 'n hear about on TV?

And instead of non-nonsensical stories that we actually FUN, we now get non-nonsensical stories that are just lame.

They should just bring back TimeSplitters, THEN we can call it "the return of fun-shooters". I want to see the return of 40+ weapons (that actually differ greatly from each other), bots, 200 playable characters, a map-maker, co-op, 4-player split-screen, online gameplay, 10+ game modes, adaptable handicap, music by Graeme Norgate and different era's with a variation of weapons, enemies and environmental style.

And I want it now, dag'nabbit!

 

[michael87cn]

WTF. Why the hell is everyone calling games like COD realistic ?


Are you ppl serious ?? Go play some Arma2 or the original Flashpoint. Geez.

Because they're based on what could be real life events, it takes 3-4 bullets to kill you instead of 100, etc

Games that kill you with 1 hit/shot suck and aren't even worth mentioning, real or not. People bring up CoD because it's competent while retaining realism. yuck.. I threw up a little in my mouth, I need to get away from this topic, I almost sound like I'm defending CoD.

 

[GiantRaven]

They should just bring back TimeSplitters, THEN we can call it "the return of fun-shooters". I want to see the return of 40+ weapons (that actually differ greatly from each other), bots, 200 playable characters, a map-maker, co-op, 4-player split-screen, online gameplay, 10+ game modes, adaptable handicap, music by Graeme Norgate and different era's with a variation of weapons, enemies and environmental style.

Don't forget the uniquely humorous story (in the third game at the very least).

Games that kill you with 1 hit/shot suck and aren't even worth mentioning, real or not.

Warning. Warning. Opinion masquerading as fact alert? Is there anything wrong with people liking games taking that aspect of realism?

 

[Jark212]

Because I'm tired of games that take themselves so fucking seriously.

I agree, it's nice to have just a ridiculous dumb over-the-top game to go crazy in every once in a while...

 

[Norix596]

I'd say it's kind of a stretch to argue for the superior story-telling of your typical FPS.

 

[WanderingFool]

Serious Sam and Duke Nukem are to games what Scary Movie and Epic Movie is to movies, fifty jokes a minute and over two hours only three of them were funny. I'll admit that style of story works better in games because while you sit Through hundreds of bad jokes your still having fun shooting aliens or whatnot. But relying on that is a crotch and I don't think anything that uses a crotch to make 70% of itself bearable is good. Being funny and having good story is possible look at Hot Fuzz, Life is Beautiful or Scott Pilgrim, or for a game example Psychonauts.

Ummm, Crotch? I think you might mean Crutch. But anyways, this is still a decent point.

I think that was the kindest spelling/grammar correction I've seen on a web forum.

Yeah, im not really a mean guy online, just dont see the point.

 

[Luke5515]

The answer is in the name.
FUN shooters
I want to have fun on an fps again.
Not that I don't have fun now, but I want that mindless kill everything, rampaging kinda fun that Fox news gets their panties in a twist over.

 

[Quazimofo]

Because I'm tired of games that take themselves so fucking seriously.

all of which have basically the same plot, and environments, characters, weapons etc.

not saying these will be that much different in those respects, but the point is they are trying to be ridiculous and not serious at all, mindless pointless fun coated over with over the top everything makes for a nice change of pace, and for many, a nostalgia trip but with much better graphics.

and another thing, its nice for your characters to be characters again, instead of just a silent guy put into an extraordinary situation with little to no training who happens to be an incarnation of.... well duke nukem and master chief combined.

but short version, IM TIRED OF KILLING TERRORISTS AND NAZI ZOMBIES!!! LET ME SHOOT A GUY'S BALLS OFF THEN USE HIM AS A GRENADE TO KILL HIS BUDDIES WHICH I SKEWED ON A WALL OF SPIKES WHILE DRUNK!!!!

 

[Treblaine]

Because EVERY FREAKING GAME tries to be realistic nowadays, old games had a sense of HUMOR to them, it's the humor and colorful graphics we want back, not the terrible and outdated level design that you and I both hate.

even COD4 still retained some humour (surely, you can't be serious) but any even hint of fun is sucked out of Modern Warfare 2 and Black ops ends on imagery of the Kennedy assassination... talk about downer.

 

[Xanadu84]

Realism or fantasy do not make a good game. Good game design makes a good game, and the rest is taste. A realistic game can be just as good as an unrealistic one, and the only mistake stylistically is to dismiss any possibility to increase gaming phase space. Sticking to one style while eliminating another is nothing more then an attempt to forgo creativity, intellectual curiosity, and open-mindedness in favor of a comfortable grind. I say bring back the fantastical shooter to compete with the more realsiti...the shooters with more verisimilitude (Better and more accurate, if more unwieldy, term for the modern shooter). Designers have a 3rd option? Bring that out too! got more? Keep the ideas coming. Just dismiss the possibilities.