The futility of it all.

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ReincarnatedFTP

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archvile93 said:
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josetaco said:
But what is the question?
It answers the question correctly "what is the meaning of life?". Anyway, I have to agree with nihilism. My hypothosis is that since existence came to be not through intelligent design, it can not have any goals. Without any goals, it has no purpose. If existenece has no purpose and you're part of it, then you are just a part of a purposeless device. Hence you have no purpose.
Interesting.
However, say humans were intelligently designed by a higher species or God.
1)So your "purpose" is to worship and be a slave to a really insecure yet powerful being or be some sort of tool.
2)What's the purpose of your creator?

While there may be no purpose, there would be no purpose no matter what TBH. Make your own, and do what you will.

Nihilism says there is no definite truth and all is meaningless.So what if it's right?

You can say it's all physical and we're just biological machines. You can be a determinist.But:
1)What if we do have free will or a small degree of free will mixed with determined factors, then we can use it.
2)If we don't, there's no point in worrying about it anyway, it's already set in stone.

As far as "no purpose" goes, even nihilism or choosing suicide by free will is better than being just an object, a meaningless tool to some prick/pricks with an ego problem and alot of power. Being a meaningless speck of dust and water in a universe that doesn't care is cool with me, even if that's all it really is. It's far better than eternal life with no way out. Of course, a true nihilist would say it doesn't matter either way.
 

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Now, everything might be meaningless, but then again everything makes, or better said, is a diffrence in the universe.

And "The meaning" might be something the human mind simply cannot grasp, or it might not exist at all, but I know, that all of this mumbo-jumbo shouldn't affect your everyday life, because fun can be had either way.
archvile93 said:
Anyway, I have to agree with nihilism. My hypothosis is that since existence came to be not through intelligent design, it can not have any goals. Without any goals, it has no purpose. If existenece has no purpose and you're part of it, then you are just a part of a purposeless device. Hence you have no purpose.
Hate to be a clishe, but why would a purposeless device exist?
 

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McOrdinaryish said:
Now, everything might be meaningless, but then again everything makes, or better said, is a diffrence in the universe.

And "The meaning" might be something the human mind simply cannot grasp, or it might not exist at all, but I know, that all of this mumbo-jumbo shouldn't affect your everyday life, because fun can be had either way.
archvile93 said:
Anyway, I have to agree with nihilism. My hypothosis is that since existence came to be not through intelligent design, it can not have any goals. Without any goals, it has no purpose. If existenece has no purpose and you're part of it, then you are just a part of a purposeless device. Hence you have no purpose.
Hate to be a clishe, but why would a purposeless device exist?
Physical laws. They run existence but they don't think.
 

Carboncrown

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archvile93 said:
Physical laws. They run existence but they don't think.
Yeah, so why are the laws of physics this way? For no reason at all, things just exist, rather than not at all? Big Bang just so happened to pop out of nothingness, because things like that just happen, and happen to lead to things like life, that happens to lead to conversations like this, and however mind numbingly complicated the whole process is, it's just an accident?

And do you really think that a 1,3kg organic computer is capable of understanding everything there is to reality, existance and life?

And again, and finally, what logical reason does a purposeless thing have, to exist?

None, imo, yet we exist, so either there is a purpose, or no reason, but nothingness doesn't do things for no reason, and only entities do illogical things(if I got the meaning of the word right).

Or in a 100 years humanity will laugh at all present theories of the universe.
 

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Jedamethis said:
Life isn't meaningless until we have

1. Discovered whether alien life exists
2. Visited every planet
3. Gotten to know how the universe works
4. Found every flag
and when we find the ultimate question sir!!1
 

Pegghead

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So what you're trying to say is that you're a pessimist opposed to the views of Isaac Newton (HIS THEORIES COUNT BEYOND PHYSICS I TELL YOU!).
 

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Regret said:
I thought I would start this thread because I am in dire need of a debate, or at least an intellectual discussion. I know this particular topic may have been discussed alot on the forums, so I wish to avoid the whole 'Meaning of Life' dispute.

Now, I feel that there is absolutely no purpose for anything that occurs anywhere in the universe (or, indeed, in others). I could take a gun and kill anyone I damned well please and, for all intents and purposes, it wouldn't make a blind bit of difference. I could discover the cure for cancer, but what good would that do? Everything is going to die eventually.

I could elaborate further, but I want to hear your opinions first.

Thoughts?
Thats a frame of mind...whats to debate? It's all an interpretation of the information. And since your idea being logical or illogical is all depending on the scale you look at it, their isn't much need for discussion. Right?

Could you elaborate perhaps...if not, thats all I have for you.
 

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Yes, everything is pointless. Most people have realised this by now.
So... you might as well enjoy yourself and try to make this pointless little endeavour interesting. I mean, playing the Sims is a waste of time in the grand scheme of things, but you're gonna be pissed if your neighbourhood glitches up 10 hours in.
 

Bullsquid

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There is no objective value or meaning in life because one's life itself is shaped by subjective means.
 

JBarracudaL

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Ahahah, okay kid. I think I would rather spend the short time I will ever exist doing what I love, enjoying myself, and making the most of life instead of bitching about how meaningless it arguably is. No, really, have fun with that.
 

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I agree with the OP...
so i suppose theres not much point in saying anything else... but i will...

its not good to think about it, it can only end in suicide or ignorance really...
i went through a really nasty phase of it, and i managed to get better one night, after 2 years of depression caused by this, just by thinking about how technology could advance in my remaining lifetime... perhaps people wont die in years to come...
 

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"As far as we can discern, the sole purpose of human existance is to kindle a light of meaning into the darkness of mere being."

If you didn't exist, you wouldn't be able to question whether life has a purpose or not. Therein is the purpose.

I also have a Booster Juice. It is tasty.