Its called economics. You are an outlier whose opinion does not affect sales. Sales will continue and the industry won't die.
The Gaming Industry Needs To Die For It's Own Good.
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Well you just took the words right out of my mouth...Daystar Clarion said:
In other news:
Oh noes!! The gaming industry is stronger and more diverse than it has ever been. Millions of people are gaming worldwide with a wide selection of genres in both the mainstream and indie communities to choose from. The sheer size of its popularity is crushing the old stereotypes that have held the medium back for decades. But this has inevitably led to some shoddy practices by both some providers and some consumers, just like any other entertainment medium. KILL IT WITH FIRE!!!
Oh for Christ's sake..
Every other freakin' DAY someone comes up with one of these "OMG games r dieing u gais, (EA/COD/Activision/Halo/DLC/boogieman-of-the-week) is killed it!!!11!"
Or some variation thereof.
Where were you stalwart defenders of good gaming when Nintendo unleashed the Virtual Boy? Where was all this anger when Action 52 was created? That's right, it didn't exist, because there wasn't an internet for people to whine themselves inside out all day on back then, so people had to learn to suck it up and move on. Wow. What a difference a modem makes.
To all Chicken Littles:
Climb down off your cross, take it apart and use the wood to make a bridge so you can get over yourselves.
XOXO, Krabbi Patty
Every other freakin' DAY someone comes up with one of these "OMG games r dieing u gais, (EA/COD/Activision/Halo/DLC/boogieman-of-the-week) is killed it!!!11!"
Or some variation thereof.
Where were you stalwart defenders of good gaming when Nintendo unleashed the Virtual Boy? Where was all this anger when Action 52 was created? That's right, it didn't exist, because there wasn't an internet for people to whine themselves inside out all day on back then, so people had to learn to suck it up and move on. Wow. What a difference a modem makes.
To all Chicken Littles:
Climb down off your cross, take it apart and use the wood to make a bridge so you can get over yourselves.
XOXO, Krabbi Patty
The only thing that should change are the developers that put their efforts into easily impressed demographics instead of creativity. I doubt that will ever happen though. I think those developers are too big to not make all the money they can in whatever way they can.
But the industry is fine. The number of gems coming out each year haven't changed a lot. They're just harder to find. I'm enjoying Bastion, Gatling Gears, and Hard Reset on the PC. I'm looking forward to next year with Borderlands 2, Hawken, and Natural Selection 2. Another Metroid 2 Remake and Mega Man X: Corrupted might come out next year as well. Nothing wrong with past titles either. Unreal Tournament 2004 is my favorite game of all time.
But the industry is fine. The number of gems coming out each year haven't changed a lot. They're just harder to find. I'm enjoying Bastion, Gatling Gears, and Hard Reset on the PC. I'm looking forward to next year with Borderlands 2, Hawken, and Natural Selection 2. Another Metroid 2 Remake and Mega Man X: Corrupted might come out next year as well. Nothing wrong with past titles either. Unreal Tournament 2004 is my favorite game of all time.
VALVE will be the heralds of a new gaming age, as they can survive a crash and treat their customers fairly.
Sure smells like troll thread in here.
OP should either lurk moar or take his/her FAIL to /b/.
~TOM
OP should either lurk moar or take his/her FAIL to /b/.
~TOM
There are a few respectable Triple A companies left, but I think games are moving towards a more indie scene. What they sacrifice in big budgets and large teams they make up for in creativity and (when they do well) quality.
I'm thinking you are using the wrong word there, not 'die', more like 'gets its' head out of its' ass'.
Look, every single medium has gone through this and it's the gaming industry's turn. Soon or later they will get the picture and this will be all behind us, this isn't new or unique to games, and this certainly isn't going to change over night.
By 'die', that implication is killing off a medium and hurting creative visions that can only be possible for games. Yeah, it might create a new medium, but if that happens I'm sure we will be back at this juncture again. Games have grown in the past several years and has become more mainstream, and that argument of what gaming was like 10 years ago doesn't really hold up because gaming was not looked upon what it's like today.
But I would say change since it's becoming (slowly to be honest) clear that there are things that companies are doing that are pissing off the consumer. Unfortunately, the consumers are looked at as criminals because there are people that will pirate and use their product for their own benefit that hurts the company's bottom line. It's the way it is and I'm certainly not saying it's right, but it's the way it is for every industry, get over it.
For right now, the industry is doing alright, and I say alright because the economy is in the shitter and luxuries are going to suffer, and games are a luxury or expensive hobby if you will, since not a lot of people can afford such things at the moment.
As for AAA games, it's really because it's a safe bet to make. To a company, a new IP is extremely risky compared to an established IP, so it's not wonder there are a ton of sequels and not enough new IPs. Production costs are ridiculous to begin with, and so indie games are much more appealing to the developers that want to make those games but can't get someone like Sony or Activision to back them up. This is the same exact thing that happened to the music industry, outside of pirating, and you saw a lot of bands going to the internet and selling their music that way.
So give it time, this will all be over after this industry does some re-evaluating and evolve into something better.
Look, every single medium has gone through this and it's the gaming industry's turn. Soon or later they will get the picture and this will be all behind us, this isn't new or unique to games, and this certainly isn't going to change over night.
By 'die', that implication is killing off a medium and hurting creative visions that can only be possible for games. Yeah, it might create a new medium, but if that happens I'm sure we will be back at this juncture again. Games have grown in the past several years and has become more mainstream, and that argument of what gaming was like 10 years ago doesn't really hold up because gaming was not looked upon what it's like today.
But I would say change since it's becoming (slowly to be honest) clear that there are things that companies are doing that are pissing off the consumer. Unfortunately, the consumers are looked at as criminals because there are people that will pirate and use their product for their own benefit that hurts the company's bottom line. It's the way it is and I'm certainly not saying it's right, but it's the way it is for every industry, get over it.
For right now, the industry is doing alright, and I say alright because the economy is in the shitter and luxuries are going to suffer, and games are a luxury or expensive hobby if you will, since not a lot of people can afford such things at the moment.
As for AAA games, it's really because it's a safe bet to make. To a company, a new IP is extremely risky compared to an established IP, so it's not wonder there are a ton of sequels and not enough new IPs. Production costs are ridiculous to begin with, and so indie games are much more appealing to the developers that want to make those games but can't get someone like Sony or Activision to back them up. This is the same exact thing that happened to the music industry, outside of pirating, and you saw a lot of bands going to the internet and selling their music that way.
So give it time, this will all be over after this industry does some re-evaluating and evolve into something better.
...which will happen when we hit the graphics plateau. There is an entire other thread[footnote]http://www.escapistmagazine.com/forums/read/9.312047-The-Graphics-Plateau-Where-do-we-go-next?page=1[/footnote] about that topic and how it would bring about pretty much what you are hoping for. So fuck it, gonna copy/paste what I just said in the other thread.Mad1Cow said:
From the other thread said:
I understand fully the implications of what I'm saying and what I'm saying is (to quote myself from an earlier thread) the video game industry in it's current form needs to die a quick and hopefully painful death. I have nothing but total and utter disdain for this industry anymore. It's all about how the publishers/developers can get every last penny out of our wallets while screwing us over as hard as they can legally get away with (and sometimes even illegally get away with). Just look around at some of the bullshit EA has tried to pull lately with the TOS of Origin (yeah you can monitor every file on my HDD when you get in line to kiss my ass).Iron Mal said:
The people in charge now care nothing for actual games and everything about profits and control. The people who actually care about gaming and the customers are being driven out of the industry like cockroaches running from light. Customers are treated like criminals and the actual criminals enjoy a better experience than the paying customers more times than not.
Again, I want the video game industry to fucking die, and die horribly. I want to see anyone who currently works in this disgrace of an industry unemployed. I have no use or sympathy for this industry and the sooner piracy and other factors drive more studios to close their doors and cause more people to be unemployed the better. This industry is corrupted from the ground up and if it is to ever be rebuilt into something palatable again this current incarnation needs to be burned to the ground leaving nothing remaining.
I stopped being a paying customer a long time ago. It will be a cold day in hell before any maker of video games sees a penny from me for a long time to come. I still play mind you, but I do so in ways where I milk Gamestop's return policy on used games on a weekly basis. In the past year and a half I've given Gamestop 50 dollars for a used title and have to date played most releases through to completion happy in the fact that none of my money is going to the parasites in charge of this industry while I enjoy their products legally for as close to free as makes no difference.
Wrapping this up I will say again that the video game industry needs to meet a quick death if only for it's own good. My only regret is that I am only one person and am unable to do more to hasten it's demise.
I don't see how the industry is circling the drain. The big publishers are getting to make new explorations in what they can do with their products i.e. motion controls cloud gaming etc. And at the same time there are many more indie developers that can more easily promote their games that are getting a lot of spotlight. Back in the 1980's when the crash happened that was because there was no way to tell what was good or not (no internet fewer game stores and magazines) today there are so many resources that the only place it can go is up. I think what you mean to say is some developers need to rework the way they do things like dlc and anti-piracy protection but as far as I am concerned the game industry is doing great. Ill be sitting here playing Minecraft while reading about some A+ titles that are going to come out soon while you rant on about how everything sucks. And I am not saying it is perfect but eventually something is going to change. It always does.
No, people just need to take responsibility for their purchases. Everything wrong with the industry can be traced back to a large amount of people saying "What a good idea!" and then paying for it. Thus, there is nothing wrong with the industry, as it's currently endorsed by the customers.
You want change? By indie games exclusively.
End of story.
Also, I think it's hilarious how one of the things "wrong" with the industry is how they're trying to get our money...
You want change? By indie games exclusively.
End of story.
Also, I think it's hilarious how one of the things "wrong" with the industry is how they're trying to get our money...
stop QQ try making even a simple flash game its hard so i can understand the purpose of dlc, with Dlc the can also push the release date up
Well thank God for that. If there's one good thing about overpopulation, it's that people with little frame of reference and "This idea is completely out of left field, so it must be valid" complexes do much less damage than they could otherwise.Xanthious said:
No one ever thought of pinning the rest of the blame on stock shareholders and investors? Last I heard they also threatened profit loss to Bobby Kotick if they don't implement so-and-so.
I don't really think you do possess a full understanding of what another crash would do to us (not even mentioning the fact that such an event is nowhere near happening and can't really be kick-started), like I said previousy, your envisioned 'restarting of the industry' is based on retrospective view of things that happened in a different time and based on completely different circumstances. Gaming was effectively a completely different thing then than it is today.Xanthious said:
Yes, there have been quite a few dick moves (we are in agreement that what EA did with Origin is just unacceptable) but this doesn't nessercarily mean that the whole industry is some great force of evil (I think you're being unreasonable and tending a bit towards an extremist outlook here).
Rather than trying to break it all down in the hopes that we can proverbially rise from the ashes we should insted put our time and energy into trying to mend to broken parts of what we have now (overall the games industry is doing pretty well and does have a lot of redeeming qualities).
It goes without saying that the CEO of a company (any company) is going to be more interested in the financial side of things rather than in anything else (that's what they do, they think of ways to improve profits), they often don't have anything to do with the actual making of the games themselves (that's something the developers more often than not have control over).
As for your notion of 'customers are treated like criminals' I have to again reiterate that the tightening of security is the result of changing times, piracy has become easier today because of the greater reach of the internet and the increased level of knowledge and competence the public have with computers (as well as a more informed public who know more about how and where they can pirate games).
In other words, the pirates get their games for free, the publishers and developers panic and try to stop them which just means that the legitimate customers suffer (whether they like to admit it or not, pirates do in fact have a harmful effect on the industry). To reverse this you should really be taking a stance against pirates (the ones who make such extreme measures sound nessercary in the first place).
Now you've gone from being concerned about the way things are being run to just being downright cruel and uncaring. Are you unemployed? Do you have a family to support? A house to pay rent on? Kids to get through school? Bills to pay?
Somehow I'm doubting that, otherwise you would know better than to so casually wish ruination and tragedy on people you don't know and who haven't done anything wrong (least of all to you).
Your actions (like I elaborated on earlier) are the sorts of things that fuel and motivate the ridiculous measures you rage against, in other words, you're fueling your own problem. You label the people in charge of the game industry 'parasites' when the way you conduct yourself (taking their products and not giving them anything in return) fits the definiton of 'parasitic' almost perfectly (yes, I'm calling you a hypocrite).
Wrapping this up I will again say that I believe that you don't really understand what the full implications of such a thing would be (and that your reasons for wishing this don't stand up to common sense and basic logic).